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I simply think the quality of squad is more important than the manager, Solskjaer has shown progress in improving it which I hope will continue. Twist it how you like.
The Norwegian contingent is very big on here which could explain the ardent support he has.
I'm confident I'm right. If a majority of fans wanted the manager gone he wouldn't last long be cause the board will be no different. Also the media would be relentless with sack stories playing to the crowd.
Stop over reacting to one defeat to a good side.
Good squads go to waste if they don’t win anything. Even you should know that. People age and leave.
said by every uninformed and deluded person ever. The media is full of Ole's mates and he's delivering exactly what the owners want - CL money with little to no budget (unless we are out of the CL).
And you need to stop patronising people who can clearly see the bigger issue with his lack of style of play, horrendous squad management and inability to get us past a semi-final.
I think a lot of fans (not all) have gotten used to this mediocrity and forgotten about the successful club that we were not long ago, it's all about needing time, he's improving the squad and we should support the manager etc!
The media is full of Ole's mates and he's delivering exactly what the owners want - CL money with little to no budget (unless we are out of the CL).
And you need to stop patronising people who can clearly see the bigger issue with his lack of style of play, horrendous squad management and inability to get us past a semi-final.
For me, there's one question that says it all: The United of old was in the top 5 best teams in the world, so is Ole in the top 10 (let alone 5) managers in the world? And the answer is no!
But maybe I shouldn't be thinking of the United of old.
Somehow I don't think 'Ole's mates' stop the press from wanting to generate clicks and sell newspapers. Which they definitely would be preying on if the majority of our fans wanted him sacked.
The media is full of Ole's mates and he's delivering exactly what the owners want - CL money with little to no budget (unless we are out of the CL).
And you need to stop patronising people who can clearly see the bigger issue with his lack of style of play, horrendous squad management and inability to get us past a semi-final.
Well done you've spotted we've lost some semi finals to good teams. Football genius.
While I appreciate the larger point you're trying to make, you're picking the wrong target. A loud minority can still be a huge section of a massive group of people.
Absolutely. And stay he will. At least 2 more years for Ole before we can feck up another managerial appointment.
If going by the "matchgoers still supporting xx" angle, we'd still have Mourinho managing us.
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Talk of "percentages of fans think this or that" is pretty dumb to begin with. The reality of the level of support for all our failing managers was something like: 10% wanted rid of them asap, 10% wore their blind faith like a badge of honour, while the actual majority were just apathetic.
And that goes for Ole as well. How many fans would be up in arms if he were sacked at the end of this season (assuming we're knocked out of Europa)? A small proportion, nothing more. A similarly small proportion will be pissed off if he isn't sacked. The rest will just accept either outcome in the knowledge that we're probably going to have a fecking awful time next season, because we're not going to have the funds to improve through signings, and Ole and his team have absolutely no ability to improve us through coaching. So long as the Glazers get CL football they couldn't give a shit about any further improvement.
And that goes for Ole as well. How many fans would be up in arms if he were sacked at the end of this season (assuming we're knocked out of Europa)? A small proportion, nothing more. A similarly small proportion will be pissed off if he isn't sacked. The rest will just accept either outcome in the knowledge that we're probably going to have a fecking awful time next season, because we're not going to have the funds to improve through signings, and Ole and his team have absolutely no ability to improve us through coaching. So long as the Glazers get CL football they couldn't give a shit about any further improvement.
Not so sure, everyone felt his time was up after the 3-1 at Anfield.
The expectations at the start of the season were top 4 and finishing there more comfortably this time. He's done that and it's quite obvious he'd be getting a new contract.
A manager's performance should be judged at the end of the season for obvious reasons, unless you have reason to believe that the manager is not even on track to complete the most basic objectives - like Mou not finishing in top 6.
Hell, if we win EL and finish 2nd, it'd be our best season by a margin since SAF's final season. And considering everyone knows he isn't getting sacked neither before the end of the season, nor in the summer (unless we somehow drop out of top 4), just get behind the team and the manager
A manager's performance should be judged at the end of the season for obvious reasons, unless you have reason to believe that the manager is not even on track to complete the most basic objectives - like Mou not finishing in top 6.
Hell, if we win EL and finish 2nd, it'd be our best season by a margin since SAF's final season. And considering everyone knows he isn't getting sacked neither before the end of the season, nor in the summer (unless we somehow drop out of top 4), just get behind the team and the manager
Spurs are 3 points off 4th and we are two losses away from 4th. Everything is possible with a OGS team so like you said. Let’s just wait and see.
Sure, but then compare our fixtures with say Leicester's and if you believe Spurs are going to finish in top 4, it is more likely to be at expense of Leicester than us
Yep. People seem to be missing this point when saying give Solskjaer more time to build the team. But the more time you give and don't compete, the more likely players will leave.
Is Rashford going to hang around forever when he could move to pretty much any club in the world? Will Fernandes be content not competing? Will Shaw be swayed by another big team if we don't start competing soon?
Players are brought in every summer, the in and out ratio is the same. If anything, over time, the manager will only gain more players that he's brought in himself, which is only a good thing.
Yes, but replacing someone like Rashford, who will have 1 year left on his contract after next season, wouldn't be easy.
That is what I'm talking. Some people are assuming that the players will have as much patience as they do. If we don't compete next year, will Rashford start to question his future? It could be a costly venture.
That could be one of the most fundamental building blocks lost. He is our best forward, and one of the best left wingers in the world, despite being so young.
We may lose Pogba already this summer. Losing Rashford next summer on top of that would be really bad.
Regardless of the league position, if he doesn't win anything, he has to go. When it matters the most and we're up against good managers, we always end up with a loss.
Ssshhh. Let them watch and not learn.
Who on earth finds it likely that Rashford would just up and leave?
I get the general point, but using Rashford as an example strikes me as odd.
I get the general point, but using Rashford as an example strikes me as odd.
We really need a top manager. Someone that can win things, play good football and be someone the majority agree on is the right guy.
I am not fully ruling out Ole, but right now it looks like he is not good enough.
I am not fully ruling out Ole, but right now it looks like he is not good enough.
Mods, can we have a poll in this thread for renew/not renew/wait till expiry and see.
There's too many options for that sort of poll.
Extend his deal on the same/similar terms now, or in the summer depending on league position and Europa results.
Offer an improved deal now, or in the summer.
Wait for his deal to run into its third year and see how we perform next season, before deciding what to do.
He's a united legend so the focus is always going to be on has he achieved the minimum to avoid a sacking rather than is he the best available.
I wouldn't offer him a new contract if it was my choice but if he gets us top 4 he'll have done enough to avoid the sack.
It's not even unlikely that he'll turn it around, I'm sure he can learn and It'd be great to have him take us to success. I reckon if we didn't have so many on here pretending he's done an amazing job that this issue would be far less combative.
I wouldn't offer him a new contract if it was my choice but if he gets us top 4 he'll have done enough to avoid the sack.
It's not even unlikely that he'll turn it around, I'm sure he can learn and It'd be great to have him take us to success. I reckon if we didn't have so many on here pretending he's done an amazing job that this issue would be far less combative.
Surely we have to look at a broader picture? What if we get to a final, play dreadfully and win by a lucky goal? You'll give him more time based on that? Or, what if we play brilliantly and are unlucky to lose, would you let him go based on that?
Winning Europa would be a good morale booster for the squad but finishing comfortably second in the league would be a sign of massive improvement. Obviously if he delivers both it will be a very good season, but I'd rather have the higher league position if it was one or the other.
How about renew/not renew/sack fergie, sell giggs/eboue?
Superb post
Yeah I know it will get me branded a plastic and told to feck off and support City/Chelsea but we really are turning into sentimental Utd old boys FC very quickly, I was a match going fan myself in 10/11 as had a ST back then and if I still was then sorry but would feel exactly the same about Ole being manager as I do.
Nonsense, Jose wasn't backed because his decisions were all based on short term goals and were proving disasterous and expensive (Sanchez). He didn't raise defense as a problem area but changed his mind in the summer and given his poor track record the club wisely didn't back him. Ole has been backed so far and his decisions are in the long term interests of the squad and club.
The main difference between Jose and Ole is that Jose's only interest is in preserving the public perception of himself as a football genius and he's willing to sacrifice anything for that, players, club, staff, anyone. Ole puts his players and most of all the club above everything.
Ole may not be the man to lead us back to the top but his tenure is making it more likely we will get there and stay there, whereas Jose's tenure was the exact opposite.
He's in the top 3 for quite a while now and has maintained some good distance on 4th considering how tight the league is after City. I think every manager (Pep aside) right now look like they can go on a bad run.
Don’t get me wrong we will get top 4. Everyone around including us are inconsistent. But Chelsea’s form will take them above is. I think.
What form though? They drew to Southampton, they drew to Leeds and to Wolves. We've lost one in god knows how many league games. In fact you speak of form which refers to recency - they've drawn 3 and won 2 of their last 5.
Alright mate.
It's a genuine question, what form?
I don’t understand why this needs explaining. They’ve moved from 8th to 4th. Knocked out Atletico Madrid, in an FA cup semi final.
But what form
. Just let me have this one. You’re being anal.In the 14 games since tuchel has taken over, W10 D4 L0. They were 9th in the league, they are now 4th. Progressed to both QF of the Champions League and SF of the FA Cup. He’s been manager less than 3 months but I’d say that’s 3 months of pretty good form.
At the same time beating top of the Spanish League Atletico 2-0 twice.