Sometimes I think that people here are under the spell of the very wrong legend we struggled in 2001/2 because it was going to be Fergie's last and only improved once he decided to stay.
Uncertainly goes with football. And players go on.
Solskjaer's contract
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Sometimes I think that people here are under the spell of the very wrong legend we struggled in 2001/2 because it was going to be Fergie's last and only improved once he decided to stay.
Uncertainly goes with football. And players go on.
You're right, I don't care about how much the glazers pay him. He has to go, we're no longer improving with him.
He did a good job clearing some dead wood, we can give him that. But in terms of football, we're just as bad as we were a few years ago.
He's been here two full years and we're still missing the exact same pieces to complete our squad. We need a striker, rb, cb, cdm, and a cm, despite investing over 200 million in those positions. We are out of the cups, not competing to win the league, and we can't beat Arteta,so we're probably out of the europa league if we face them.
Why should he get a new contract? Give me a good reason.
Why not? Is there an insult in being offered a contract that will secure you shitloads of money for another year or two, just not shitloads+extra?
Quick trip to see peps doctor.
What a load of old tosh.
Good - that's what I was getting at. Fair opinion - just don't pretend it has anything to do with the size of his supposed paycheck.
Do you seriously think it's a realistic scenario that United offer him a new contract without increasing his salary?
Nah - you don't, do you? 'Cause you're presumably not a raging idiot. So, what are you actually on about? You don't want him to get a new contract - yeah? That's fine. Just say that, then.
I don't really get the pay increase or the rush. Solskjaer does not have top clubs lining up to take him as their manager. The only top club that wants him is Manutd.
There is no risk of losing him, so just leave it until the end of the season, at least. The last time we gave him a contract, we ended up going on a dreadful run straight afterwards. I don't think he would have even got the permanent position had the decision been left until the summer back then.
As to pay, he is already on a huge wage. It is not necessary to give a player/manager more money every time you offer them a contract. The only time it is necessary is if there is actually a real risk of losing them. But we do this with players who we will never lose, and now we are doing it with the manager. Solskjaer would sign the same contract that he had before.
There is no risk of losing him, so just leave it until the end of the season, at least. The last time we gave him a contract, we ended up going on a dreadful run straight afterwards. I don't think he would have even got the permanent position had the decision been left until the summer back then.
As to pay, he is already on a huge wage. It is not necessary to give a player/manager more money every time you offer them a contract. The only time it is necessary is if there is actually a real risk of losing them. But we do this with players who we will never lose, and now we are doing it with the manager. Solskjaer would sign the same contract that he had before.
Guardiola had signed a two year extension in November. With the apparent three year extension, Solskjaer will get two chances to best the checkbook manager.
Contract offers don't come with "same conditions" extensions. And that's the end of it. Source: Negotiate workplace contracts annually.
Yes. Does every new contract has to include a pay rise? Isn't getting your already lovely contract extended good enough?
We gave him too much to begin with. But if you extend it, then you have to increase a bit. 5, 10 or 15%. But that is far too much, he hasn't won a cup nor are we close to challenging for anything.
The club is happy with anything these days, we set the bar so low, that top 4 finishes are already a success. 10 years ago, people on here would laugh at this if you suggested so.
The club is happy with anything these days, we set the bar so low, that top 4 finishes are already a success. 10 years ago, people on here would laugh at this if you suggested so.
Fortunate to get the interim role. Everything thats happened since - the permanent contract and this new contract - were earned and deserved.
Why would it?
You do realize we've 8 or 9 league / cup winners in our squad?
Quite a few of them have picked up the FA Cup, League Cup and Europa already.
We didn't kick on after LVG winning us the FA Cup did we?
By no means a guarantee we'll progress from there.
Lots of back room changes under Ole and very recently with Murtagh becoming football director and Fletcher technical director.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/...er Darren,the club's first technical director.
Only problem is Judge is still negotiating
The pay rise is for not winning anything in 2 years.
So, particulars aside, you're denying that a break at that point in the season wasn't of benefit to City?
Short term yes, as a few days break served them well for the next couple of matches. But not beyond that. And the addition of the postponed match against Everton to their schedule made things more difficult for them later.
So overall, it matters very little. They didn't disappear at the top of the league because of that or anything.
So you've never taken a week off of work after a gruelling few months and come back refreshed and ready to plug on for another quarter? Rest is important and the rest of the league really didn't get that at the peak of the busy Christmas season.
Never said it would guarantee.
But getting back into a winning habit surely can’t be a bad thing?
Personally after I take time off I feel sorry for myself that it's over, and after a few hours back at work feel as though nothing has changed.
Rest is important and City having a bit of a break - it was just one game, at the end of the day - wasn't terrible for them, although I would hardly call it relaxing time off with several players struck with Covid, others being tested and the training ground closed!
In a season full of games, any benefit from that short time off would be quickly offset, and the addition of the Everton match in the second part of the season would add to their struggle.
So again, might it have given them a short-term boost on late December/early January? Possibly. Did it make much difference in the grand scheme of things? No. They ran away with it because they were brilliant, not because one of their games was called off.
Please, do not extend his contract now. Wait till the end of the season. See where we are then.
What field do you work in out of interest? I've never known another situation where you have to renew staff contracts in anything other than Sports.
And if you're talking agency staff then you're very generous.
Makes you wonder why we don't aim to win anything these days, what with all the established cup winners in our squad. If we listened to you lot, nobody could guide our squad to a trophy.
If we'd have waited till the end of the 18/19 season to make him permanent, do you still think he'd have got the job? Given our form after giving him the deal. There were serious questions asked that summer. He was fortunate we didn't stand by our word and "take our time to undertake a thorough recruitment process" (or something along those lines).
That wasn't the point I was making at all but the reality is the league and FA Cup aren't worth a fiddlers fart at this point.
We devalued it 20 years ago by refusing to play a match in it, the FA Themselves just don't care about it much either. Considering a 3rd and 4th place finish holds greater reward than an FA Cup by their own ruling and UEFA's... I can understand why its lost its wow factor.
I do think he would gotten a contract yes, because I dont think the failings of that period were down to his abilities as a manager, just the same as the winning run before it wasn't because he was the second coming
I don't see it. We still play rubbish football more often than not. If Liverpool hadn't imploded, we'd be fighting for a top 4 spot alongside Leicester and Chelsea, exactly like last year. I don't see the progress, except for the fact that Bruno happens to have had the best season of his career, and even that has tapered off lately. For months now, half the squad has been playing the worst football they've ever played. We're out of everything except the EL where we barely scraped by Milan, a team that hasn't won anything in a decade. For about a dozen games we had some good performances because Bruno was on Ballon d'Or form, but outside of that window of time, we've been crap. We were crap at the start of the season, we're crap again now. Have we even been the best team in half of our games since Ole arrived? I literally can't see that he's doing a good job or that we're improving. It's complete stagnation in my eyes. Under him, we've had one run of good form per season, usually lasting about three months, and outside of that run, we're dreadful and struggle to beat practically any team.
This is such an embarrassingly lazy summary of us as a club right now.
The training ground being closed is the big piece for me. That means they had a number of consecutive days off for rest, pure and simple. In the middle of the busiest season ever that will make a big difference, allow the squad to return with more energy, enabling better initial perfromances. The momentum built off of those performances has likely carried them a long way. That's why I think that incident gave them a distinct advantage over everyone else.
I have no idea why any manager should get an increase, they are overpaid as it is, at least most managers are including but not limited to Ole. Unless you are one of the managers that guarantees trophies and good football I simply don't get the rationale. I don't know what Ole makes but I am guessing its in the millions, I am not going to pretend anyone here could do it but he is simply not worth it. For comparison, I don't know what Bielsa makes but I doubt its anywhere near Ole and he is probably 10 times the coach/manager Ole is. I've even heard Ole makes more than Klopp, don't quote me on it but if its true its asinine...
It was closed for literally two days. They had one game off - which they then had to play anyway - before facing Chelsea, who did play an extra game but also had five days between games.
Did it give City a little bit of a spark? Maybe, but it's such a small issue compared with how they regrouped after the bad start to the season and how solid they had become.
What a car crash of a post.
The narrative of “ if Liverpool weren’t so bad” rubbish is wearing thin. Just waiting for the “If Tuchel had a full season with Chelsea” Why does there always have to be an excuse for us beating or been above our rivals ?
If Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and Everton weren't so bad we'd be... 8th?!
You can win the FA Cup AND finish 3rd/4th. The 3rd/4th best team in the country should get to the Semis. From there it’s two games.
The FA Cup matters and PL teams can coast to the quarters with a couple of good draws.
“Except for the times we’ve played well and our players played well, we’re terrible”
Hot. Take.
That's pretty short for a team with a COVID outbreak. Hmm...
Another team experiencing a magical resurgence. Imagine that.
Rest does bodies good. It likely enabled them to handle the second half of a fixture congested season a lot better. Unlike a team that's had to play virtually every three days up until this international break.
So you think having their facilities closed and players not able to be monitored by professionals was somehow a benefit?
Christ I've seen some straw grasping on here in the past but this is surely the most desperate. This is cringe tier for RAWK let alone the Caf.
It's called testing eveyrone and containing the people who had Covid. I don't think they found anyone new aside from the players and staff who were already infected.
I'm sure the rest did them fine. And after that they went back to the two-game-a-week grinder - which for them included CL, FA Cup, League Cup and that extra league game - and added about 20 straight wins to the two they have already had.
And yet, it kind of feels like for you it's going to be marked as the Championship they won "because they had a game postponed at Christmas".
OGS is a fascinating case study for all sports and business to reflect on.
United are a better team since Ole came in. Better players. Young talent coming up. Future looks pretty decent. Yet he is still viewed as lacking in quality. So what is missing? Ah yes the infamous “philosophy”. The big words. The demeanour on the side lines. Maybe the slick coat too?
This case just shows how much people need to be made to “feel” something from their leaders no matter if it is without substance and has little effect on improving them. It explains the rise in “philosophy” managers who talk a big game about where they want to go and how they want to play. At the end of the day the proof is in the pudding. Ole has done nothing but improve United and you would be mad to replace him now. He has earned a shot to continue improve this team.
United are a better team since Ole came in. Better players. Young talent coming up. Future looks pretty decent. Yet he is still viewed as lacking in quality. So what is missing? Ah yes the infamous “philosophy”. The big words. The demeanour on the side lines. Maybe the slick coat too?
This case just shows how much people need to be made to “feel” something from their leaders no matter if it is without substance and has little effect on improving them. It explains the rise in “philosophy” managers who talk a big game about where they want to go and how they want to play. At the end of the day the proof is in the pudding. Ole has done nothing but improve United and you would be mad to replace him now. He has earned a shot to continue improve this team.