I think the state of the club just shows why all the other clubs aren't calling.
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Being a nice guy and matey with the players does not equate having good man management skills for a manager. It can be enough in specific circumstances (post-Jose caretaker duty), or maybe could work ok when a manager is complemented with a world-class coaching team, members of which also know when to get tough on players and the manager helps to soften it/acts as mediator.
What counts for good "man management" skills also varies from job to job - maybe Ole has good man management skills for players' councelor role or something like that, but not for the manager.
Ole left us with a squad low on morale, with no unity, belief, plus many players who are unhappy and wanting out and/or feeling mistreated because of broken promises. This is not a sign of a manager having good man management skills.
Indeed. Agree with you all the way.
Everton is more of a poisoned chalice than the United job right now.
Obviously he isn't perceived as being a particularly good manager.
More specifically, he's generally seen as a manager who was never good enough to be Manchester United manager, who was only here because of his connections to our past, who was shown an inordinate amount of patience, who was sacked too-late this season, who left behind a mess and whose time here is a hallmark of how badly run we are as a club. That's not a profile attractive to other clubs.
If Solskjaer had been "cruelly sacked" after getting us to 2nd and a UEFA cup final at the end of last season then the positives of his time here would be framed more. Similarly if the next manager was to have immediate success with players like Maguire, AWB, McTominay, Fred, Bruno, etc. at the core then his time here would be revised more positively as an important rebuilding job. See Frank Lampard, for example. But because Solskjaer's time here ended in crushing failure, impending clearouts and immediate focus on the need to actually instill a way of playing into the side, there's currently little sense that he actually did do a succesful rebuilding job.
More specifically, he's generally seen as a manager who was never good enough to be Manchester United manager, who was only here because of his connections to our past, who was shown an inordinate amount of patience, who was sacked too-late this season, who left behind a mess and whose time here is a hallmark of how badly run we are as a club. That's not a profile attractive to other clubs.
If Solskjaer had been "cruelly sacked" after getting us to 2nd and a UEFA cup final at the end of last season then the positives of his time here would be framed more. Similarly if the next manager was to have immediate success with players like Maguire, AWB, McTominay, Fred, Bruno, etc. at the core then his time here would be revised more positively as an important rebuilding job. See Frank Lampard, for example. But because Solskjaer's time here ended in crushing failure, impending clearouts and immediate focus on the need to actually instill a way of playing into the side, there's currently little sense that he actually did do a succesful rebuilding job.
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If you are talking about our match going fans , yes you are correct. But that has nothing to do with Ole. The matchgoing fans also backed Jose till the end. They even backed Moyes. I was talking about the media. The guys in espn or journalists like Samuel Luckhurst or Duncan Castle were on him since very beginning.
He is taking a break 
Let me go and start an Ole to Everton rumour on twitter
Let me go and start an Ole to Everton rumour on twitter
He is not a relegation dog-fight manager which is what some clubs need now. His best chance would be a mid-table team but there is so much competition for jobs right now. I think it is unlikely Ole will manage in the EPL again.
Quite simply the question was asked towards the end of the Ole reign, would any other PL club have Ole as their current manager? The answer was a fairly unanimous no, and that included the likes of Norwich with that Farke guy at the time.
Lampard did a good job with Derby and it could be argued formed the early basis of a subsequent CL winning team albeit clearly wasn’t capable of delivering that. I can see why someone like him would be quite a bit ahead in the queue than Ole, for example.
Lampard did a good job with Derby and it could be argued formed the early basis of a subsequent CL winning team albeit clearly wasn’t capable of delivering that. I can see why someone like him would be quite a bit ahead in the queue than Ole, for example.
do we need another Ole pile-on thread?
we all know the reason, no need to rub salt into the wound
we all know the reason, no need to rub salt into the wound
Exactly! The media were pissed off when he was appointed manager, because none of them had predicted it. They took the hump, because they looked silly that none of their "in the know" appointments materialised. So, they retaliated by discrediting him at every opportunity.
Moyes took the champions down to 7th in his only season at Old Trafford, but is being lauded for his work at West Ham, despite never winning a trophy in 20 years of management, or beating a top six side away. Meanwhile, Ole finished 2nd and 3rd in his two full seasons, but gets beaten with a stick for not winning a trophy in England, despite winning a few in Norway, and for getting relegated with an already doomed Cardiff. The difference? One manager is British, the other not.
Weird ? its fecking embarrassing .
Guess Ole is on garden leave as part of his severance pay.
Wherever Ole goes he most certainly will have to accept a massive pay cut ….he‘ll do well to get 20% of what he was paid at Utd.
It‘s highly unlikely any prem club middle table or above would employ him, realistically he’s looking at bottom half prem or championship. All of which makes me feel we won’t be seeing Ole managing in England for quite a long time.
Wherever Ole goes he most certainly will have to accept a massive pay cut ….he‘ll do well to get 20% of what he was paid at Utd.
It‘s highly unlikely any prem club middle table or above would employ him, realistically he’s looking at bottom half prem or championship. All of which makes me feel we won’t be seeing Ole managing in England for quite a long time.
Because he hasn't shown anything to be worth a job in the premier league? People weren't joking when we said he wouldn't get another job in the league. He failed really badly with Cardiff, so no relegation fodder team will take the risk with him, he failed at United despite huge spending (and only got by for a while because of his legend status at United alone), so big teams won't want him. He didn't do anything that interesting with play style or anything that mid table teams would be interested in him. His best chance is a mid tier job in another league, or a job in the Championship IMO.
Is that a serious question?
Not (and never will be) good enough but his deluded fanboys on here cannot accept this simple fact.
The fans from literally every other team have been laughing at us for the past 2.5 years under Ole. They genuinely couldn't believe that someone so clueless was being so absolutely backed when everyone with half a brain could see that he wasn't close to being a top manager.
Pro tip, if you aren't showing any signs of playing good football after a season with a manager they either aren't a good fit or they are crap. Ole was literally getting about 60-70% of the players talent out of the squad when the likes of Klopp and Pep get about 120-130%. Top managers make teams more than the sum of their parts. Ole was the complete opposite.
Pro tip, if you aren't showing any signs of playing good football after a season with a manager they either aren't a good fit or they are crap. Ole was literally getting about 60-70% of the players talent out of the squad when the likes of Klopp and Pep get about 120-130%. Top managers make teams more than the sum of their parts. Ole was the complete opposite.
I think Ole still has the capabilities of being a good PL manager.
Will he get the Norway gig one day?
Man, i still do not understand why our board put so much faith in him. Imagine giving that amount to a proper coach. We would have won the league. Hopefully, that doesn't impact our future transfer business. If anything, Ole legacy will tarnish many Muppets dreams if our board decide we should curtail our spending. Could you imagine loosing out on rice, haaland, or any other top talent because we wasted so much in the past year with nothing to show for it???
Didn't he have one right before he got the tin tac? I can't see him managing in England ever again. You may see him pop up and Molde or Odd or some other random Norwegian side
I suppose calling him a shit manager in isolation while unnecessary isn't a sign of hatred in itself. But is that all you really think people on here are doing in the 3-4 threads now dedicated to discussing Solskjaer?
Though I'd say the almost constant bitterness, mockery and vitriol from a section on here directed at Solskjaer since his sacking (way back in November) and the effort to downplay almost every positive of his time as United manager no matter how minor is a fair indication that quite a few United fans have an unhealthy dislike/hatred of the guy.
Didn't he get the permanent job because of a flukey win against PSG, where Buffon had a blunt, and Kimpbembe gave away a stupid penalty in the last minute?
That was typical PSG choke in the UCL, they kinda eliminated themselves.
Poor choice by Man Utd board if the gave him the job because of a flukey win where the opponent's bloopers gave United the win.
Moyes has a long and proven history of overperformance relative to resources given. Both at Everton and West Ham he was able to make a club with league-average resources a top-4 contender (or at least close). He is not good outside his comfort zone, but he is very good at what he does with midtable Clubs- and he is able to maintain it despite the league becoming more competetive and resource-rich. That is quite a rare quality and not many managers have a comparably persistent track record in that. So the rationale of hiring him for the midtable premier league club is obvious.
Ole had billionaire owner in Molde and huge transfer budgets at United (even in Cardiff he spent like 40m). At Molde after initial success he stopped winning titles (he took the champions to 5th at one point), plus they did better that him once he left - both times. In Cardiff he took them from 17th to 20th and then to17th in Championship (bear in mind that they resoundingly won the Championship shortly before he took over). At United both of the top4 finishes papered over the cracks and hardly anyone outside United fanbase thinks that they are an achievement of Ole, especially given money spent, no trophies, our crash thus season and the need for another rebuild.
What is the rationale for hiring Ole? If you are a big club in a big league, you can do better than bankroll mediocre results, no trophies with a subsequent crash and miserable state of the club. If you are a midtable/bottom half club in any league - Ole has only history of failure here. Even if you are a big club in a small league - Ole's initial success at Molde is kind of overshadowed by subsequent decline (plus he needs resources). Not saying he will necessarily fail as manager in the next job (he is not the worst manager and there must be a level where he is successful), and hope he is able ro redeem himself- but he is a HUGE risk for any club that hires him. Maybe Norway national team is the best job for Ole.
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I don't think he will ever get a premier team again. He spent £440 mill on players, £130m of that on 2 average players. He bought another then virtually refused to play him The club bent over backwards for him in every way and he still couldn't win anything. His speciality is what? He said he doesn't coach. He's said he is a motivator, but what did he motivate? He lied to players to keep them at the club. I can't see any club that would take him on
He's not good
How's a manager who finished 2nd in EPL bring no interest from any club in top 5 leagues is weird unless they know he is just a con man and get appointed based on feelings instead of competency. I mean who would hire a manager who only talks about passion , desire , United DNA, United way in his press conference and fall for it ?
A sensible way to judge a manager is by looking throughout his career and his CV instead of few months meltdown that can be caused by anything which has no relation with another club. The former was one of the most decorated manager in history of football anyway and he did won trophies anywhere he went except in that bottling club Spurs.
It's a myth that ole has a good man-management skills, being buddies with everyone and their mother isn't a sign of good man management. Good man management means managing people to be successful, and that includes of kicking players on their ass. For example, the way Mourinho handled Ozil till he cries his eyes out to get the best out of him was one of the best man management ever. If you couldn't make a player successful ( win trophies )then it is not a good man management.
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We really didn’t need this pisstake thread, but Ole did leave United in full dumpster fire mode.
Had he been thinking his career through, he would gave stepped down at the end of last season, quite rightly pointing to a job well done. He’d been in contention for jobs like Everton. It was never, ever going to end well for Ole at Old Trafford. Now, it’s hard to imagine any job offer coming his way any time soon.
Had he been thinking his career through, he would gave stepped down at the end of last season, quite rightly pointing to a job well done. He’d been in contention for jobs like Everton. It was never, ever going to end well for Ole at Old Trafford. Now, it’s hard to imagine any job offer coming his way any time soon.
… because walking into a changing room and saying “this is Watford, go out there and express yourselves” probably won’t cut it.
Moyes has more managerial ability in his missing eyebrows than Ole does in his entire body, and I say this as someone who was no fan of Moyes whatsoever. He failed at United, but there’s no way Ole could accomplish what Moyes accomplished at Everton or West Ham. Outside of Norway Ole has shown that he needs massive amounts of investment (relative to the club size) in order to achieve the bare minimum expected out of his job, and even then there’s a solid chance it goes up in flames and that bare minimum can’t be achieved.
Lampard is a better coach than Solskjaer (yes I know Solskjaer beat him a few times) and he seems way more ambitious. Solskjaer just wanted to manage United. He won a lottery and it's unlikely he'll ever manage at this level again in my opinion
i just want to know how you're a full member when I've been here longer than you have
Pretty much this
Some managers can work with limited resources he has like Moyes but failed when he had to step up. Managers like Moyes seem to fit smaller to mid table clubs, that's why he kept getting offers. There are more smaller clubs than the big ones.
His ceiling is newly promoted club or championship. I doubt relegation battle club in crisis would comsider him. And that is ok.
Oles stock is around the same as the day he signed due to how things ended, and that stock was all based on Cardiff.
There’s no way ole would even discuss a job this season. No way. Maybe during the summer but i imagine him losing the United job gutted him.
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but managers often have non-compete clauses preventing them to join another club in the same season. I remember Jose had preventing him from joining us.
Ole couldn’t save a word document, let alone a PL club from relegation.
Just to make something clear, in case it was ... you know, unclear: When Solskjær was referring to our great fanbase and how amazing the fans have been, he was not referring to the entitled kids throwing sh*t around at him here.