Solskjaer's legacy and his future

mctrials23 said:
They are not in good form at the moment and don't seem to care about playing for him. Why did they fall off a cliff this season before Rangnick? United were easily in their best form during the first few months after Ole took over. They were happy, working hard and hadn't fallen into the Ole malaise.

Not quite sure what your argument here is. Form comes and goes. Its fragile and relies on a lot of things. Thats why the best teams have a strong foundation to fall back on when their star players aren't quite on form. Salah isn't in glittering form right now but Liverpool haven't suffered that much.
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So, their form is something magical then? Not part of the manager's responsibilities?
 
I’m sure he meant well. Trouble is his inexperience and profligacy in the transfer market, has really screwed the club up for the foreseeable future now.
 
Dan_F said:
Ole had massive deficiencies and made some big errors. I’ll point that out before I even start this. However, we are supposed to have a big scouting network and negotiators that deal with transfers. I highly doubt Ole was personally scouting and actively playing a part in deciding how much to pay. It doesn’t let him completely off the hook as I’m sure he had input, but I wouldn’t say it’s his solely his legacy, rather Woodwards.
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Totally agree, I blame him for the big buck signings. Such as Maguire and Wan Bissaka, but players like Pellistri and Amad I guess he knew about as much as we did t that time.
 
Dan_F said:
Ole had massive deficiencies and made some big errors. I’ll point that out before I even start this. However, we are supposed to have a big scouting network and negotiators that deal with transfers. I highly doubt Ole was personally scouting and actively playing a part in deciding how much to pay. It doesn’t let him completely off the hook as I’m sure he had input, but I wouldn’t say it’s his solely his legacy, rather Woodwards.
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Remember everyone taking the piss out of Moyes and his horror at the state of our scouting network when he took over? Credit is due to Moyes for at least recognising the problem. Beggars belief that this still hasn’t been fixed.

Obviously Ole’s responsible for signing off on the Diallo and Pellistri deals. That’s a hell of a lot of cash that could have been invested a lot smarter. Scouts just identify options. Managers decide when to pull the trigger.
 
Summing up Ole’s time is like have an average player, who has the odd good game, then gets injured. The team play crap, then the average player who hasn’t played, becomes a great player.

For those who are confused by that, I will give you an example. VDB!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Remember everyone taking the piss out of Moyes and his horror at the state of our scouting network when he took over? Credit is due to Moyes for at least recognising the problem. Beggars belief that this still hasn’t been fixed.

Obviously Ole’s responsible for signing off on the Diallo and Pellistri deals. That’s a hell of a lot of cash that could have been invested a lot smarter. Scouts just identify options. Managers decide when to pull the trigger.
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Based on scouting reports. From our dreadful scouting network. And surely sporting directors should be having a big say along with the manager. If we had one.
 
laughtersassassin said:
But was much less successful when we look at the history books.

And I'm Someone who hated Jose towards the last year and a half.
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In terms of trophies, sure. But I don't give a feck about cup competitions, as they require quite a bit of luck as well.

I just use the league performances to judge managers, and hence rate Ole higher
 
gajender said:
We had plenty of luck during that huge winning run with several undeserved wins and lucky escapes eventually it all evened out and we crashed and burned which usually happens when uder lying stats don't justify the actual results .
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Did we not play some very good football as well?
 
Are we counting Bruno as a success? He always seems to be hit and miss to me. I like him but he is so inconstant.
 
anant said:
In terms of trophies, sure. But I don't give a feck about cup competitions, as they require quite a bit of luck as well.

I just use the league performances to judge managers, and hence rate Ole higher
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Despite both he and Mourinho getting 2nd place?
 
When was the last time we had a permanent manager who didn't brought any silverware to United? I mean even Moyes won the Charity Shield. I believe it was Frank O'Farrell back in 1971-72. That's half a century ago.
 
MichaelRed said:
Despite both he and Mourinho getting 2nd place?
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Underlying stats wise, we finished 6th that season, 4th last season; we finished in top 4 in consecutive seasons under Ole - something we didnt do under Mou; and lastly, if we rely on underlying stats, we finished in top 4 just thrice since SAF - twice under Ole, and once under Mou (the 1st season).

Plus, I just enjoyed Ole's time more. I was more engaged as a fan and had a lot more hope during games
 
devilish said:
When was the last time we had a permanent manager who didn't brought any silverware to United? I mean even Moyes won the Charity Shield. I believe it was Frank O'Farrell back in 1971-72. That's half a century ago.
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Dave Sexton? Or did he win a Charity Shield like Moyes?
 
georgipep said:
So the fact that Ole finished above Chelsea twice, above Liverpool once is pure luck? You are delusional.

Luck doesn't run for 2 seasons. Luck is in one-off games and cups.

Also, I know that we all want to play like City and Liverpool but that only happens when the entire club pulls in the same direction. Can you say that for us?

Did we play like or better than City and Liverpool under any manager post SAF?
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We weren't lucky in his 1st season in terms of points, but the competition was what? Chelsea under Lampard with their transfer ban, and Leicester who spent the 2nd half of the season playing like a relegation side. And yes, competition absolutely matters in judging the manager.

In the 2nd season, we were extremely lucky not just in terms of competition but how most of the games went. We all watched the games but seems there are few who remember how we really played last season.
 
Dan_F said:
Based on scouting reports. From our dreadful scouting network. And surely sporting directors should be having a big say along with the manager. If we had one.
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Forget about Moyes. Ralf is horrified to find that we didn't even have anything on the French International midfield player. I forgot his name.
So it has not improved at all from the time of Moyes.
 
Foxbatt said:
Forget about Moyes. Ralf is horrified to find that we didn't even have anything on the French International midfield player. I forgot his name.
So it has not improved at all from the time of Moyes.
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You don’t need tabloid rumours to confirm this to be fair.
 
SAFMUTD said:
Maguire: 87M. Massive failure
Sancho: 85M. Average
Bruno: 63M. Success
Wan Bissaka: 55M. Massive failure
Varane: 40M. Average
Van de Beek: 39M. Massive failure
Diallo: 21M. Failure
Daniel James: 18M. Average
Cristiano: 15M. Average
Alex Telles: 15M. Average
Pellistri: 8.5M. Failure

That's his legacy.
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So, Messi and Ronaldo is average fotballers? Or Are they having A bad season?
You dont strike me as anyone who understand football or the details of it.. Twitter thug alert!
 
NewUser777 said:
So, Messi and Ronaldo is average fotballers? Or Are they having A bad season?
You dont strike me as anyone who understand football or the details of it.. Twitter thug alert!
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I'm rating the signings not the players careers. I'm sure you can understand that.
 
SAFMUTD said:
I'm rating the signings not the players careers. I'm sure you can understand that.
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No. You are rating the players at their current form as failure.. What the past and future bring you half ass don’t know. Agenda written bullahit!
 
NewUser777 said:
No. You are rating the players at their current form as failure.. What the past and future bring you half ass don’t know. Agenda written bullahit!
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Can you explain how Ronaldo scoring 60 goals a season for Real Madrid a decade ago help us on the pitch now?
 
yipthatman said:
Are we counting Bruno as a success? He always seems to be hit and miss to me. I like him but he is so inconstant.
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His goals and assist numbers are exceptional and he has singlehandedly dragged us from being completely useless to being somewhat functional at times. Cost a reasonable amount and isn't on silly wages. I would say he has been a success. How he would do in a team that was more disciplined and placed more value on ball retention is up for debate for sure.
 
Anustart89 said:
Can you explain how Ronaldo scoring 60 goals a season for Real Madrid a decade ago help us on the pitch now?
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I just did! And it isn't helping.. quite the opposite. Rating them players down on form is just ridiculous.. And it just show you know nothing about football..
 
anant said:
In terms of trophies, sure. But I don't give a feck about cup competitions, as they require quite a bit of luck as well.

I just use the league performances to judge managers, and hence rate Ole higher
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That's crazy in my opinion. Everything Ole did was for nought.
 
laughtersassassin said:
That's crazy in my opinion. Everything Ole did was for nought.
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That's why it is an opinion. I rate leagues higher, you rate "any trophies" higher - nothing wrong in that, but I never bought into that school of thought
 
anant said:
That's why it is an opinion. I rate leagues higher, you rate "any trophies" higher - nothing wrong in that, but I never bought into that school of thought
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I don't rate any trophies higher. Nether Jose or Ole where successful or great in the league. Similar points totals both got 2nds.

But Jose won two trophies albeit not the best ones.

Also without Jose we'd be like 7 years without a trophy so at this stage any trophy has to be valued more

Also Ole was in two Europa leagues and failed to win the competition twice despite having the best squad in the competition.

So failing to win anything was really quite a big failure.

And again I hate Jose so I say this through gritted teeth. We where correct to sack him just replaced him with a guy who never should have got the job.
 
Dear Ole,

As you are most likely aware all’s not well at Old Trafford, so trust you won’t mind reimbursing MUFC the £400m.

Yours in anticipation
 
Idxomer said:
We weren't lucky in his 1st season in terms of points, but the competition was what? Chelsea under Lampard with their transfer ban, and Leicester who spent the 2nd half of the season playing like a relegation side. And yes, competition absolutely matters in judging the manager.

In the 2nd season, we were extremely lucky not just in terms of competition but how most of the games went. We all watched the games but seems there are few who remember how we really played last season.
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If you believe luck can be a factor across 38 games, I am out of the conversation.
 
georgipep said:
If you believe luck can be a factor across 38 games, I am out of the conversation.
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17 games last season you went behind, 10 of those times you won. That’s almost half the matches in the season you were losing. You recovered 31 points, finishing with 74 points. Again you recovered almost half of your final points total.

This is completely unprecedented and if the Gods were not with Ole then it’s a really difficult stat to have an answer for.
 
SirReginald said:
17 games last season you went behind, 10 of those times you won. That’s almost half the matches in the season you were losing. You recovered 31 points, finishing with 74 points. Again you recovered almost half of your final points total.

This is completely unprecedented and if the Gods were not with Ole then it’s a really difficult stat to have an answer for.
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So, the manager that oversaw so many recoveries after poor starts is bad, although his successor is seeing worse performance by the players but is unable to turn them around... Got it! Logic!
 
georgipep said:
So, the manager that oversaw so many recoveries after poor starts is bad, although his successor is seeing worse performance by the players but is unable to turn them around... Got it! Logic!
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Give his successor the same amount of money and time. Then judge him.
 
Did someone really ask if we were counting Bruno as a success?

If he never kicks another ball for the club he'd be a resounding success ffs.
 
Wilt said:
Dear Ole,

As you are most likely aware all’s not well at Old Trafford, so trust you won’t mind reimbursing MUFC the £400m.

Yours in anticipation
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He has nothing to reimburse, if anything, we owe him, for helping to get his daughter to sign for the club.
 
georgipep said:
So the fact that Ole finished above Chelsea twice, above Liverpool once is pure luck? You are delusional.

Luck doesn't run for 2 seasons. Luck is in one-off games and cups.

Also, I know that we all want to play like City and Liverpool but that only happens when the entire club pulls in the same direction. Can you say that for us?

Did we play like or better than City and Liverpool under any manager post SAF?
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Your delusional. We were freaking lucky to finish 2nd and above Liverpool. We had literally sod all injuries and Liverpool had an injury crisis. Even had to play a midfielder in defense. In the end only finished 5 points ahead. If Liverpool didn't have the injury crisis they would of finished 2nd.
 
Idxomer said:
We weren't lucky in his 1st season in terms of points, but the competition was what? Chelsea under Lampard with their transfer ban, and Leicester who spent the 2nd half of the season playing like a relegation side. And yes, competition absolutely matters in judging the manager.

In the 2nd season, we were extremely lucky not just in terms of competition but how most of the games went. We all watched the games but seems there are few who remember how we really played last season.
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Also Liverpools injury crisis. And playing in empty stadiums due to covid which is why we had that unbeaten away streak.
 
georgipep said:
So, the manager that oversaw so many recoveries after poor starts is bad, although his successor is seeing worse performance by the players but is unable to turn them around... Got it! Logic!
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Individual performances bailed him out so much. Ole was clueless and his football was horrible. Very few matches were enjoyable to watch.
 
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