Sunderland vs. Manchester United

Vidic,Rio,Scholes,Giggs and Anderson will start imo. DDG in goal. Rafael and Buttner as fullbacks. Carrick to be part of a midfield three. RVP and Rooney up front with giggs drifting.
 
Just play the youth players plus a few reserves. If there is ever a 'significant' game for them this season, this is the one. It might be a risk, but a loss at this stage isn't a disaster and it is a good chance to see how much these players have developed. I'm sure they won't let us down. They are already quality players. We don't want a repeat of players tiring against Chelsea. We have great squad depth and this is the time we prove it.

Can't agree.

Its risking a loss that we can't afford. SAF has enough quality players to strike the right balance so that we have enough top players for the Chelsea game as well.

Chelsea have got to play too and they can't risk a loss either. Spurs are one point behind them (even though they've got a game in handle) can't imagine them risking a CL place. A loss at this stage can be crucial.
 
Good to hear Fergie saying it will be a strong team tomorrow, not like the lineups on here suggesting we should rest everyone.
 
Fulham in the FA Cup take that accolade, closely followed by ours against Chelsea. Arsenal were also horrendous.

I had forgotten how utterly wank Arsenal were in that game. Shocking performance. United only winning by a single goal was a travesty.
 
I imagine we'll go for a pretty normal selection.

Something like De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Anderson, Valencia, Rooney, Young, RVP

Then something along the lines of De Gea, Rafael, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Cleverley, Nani, Rooney, Welbeck, RVP at Chelsea? Possibly Hernandez somewhere in this.

Why I bothered thinking when you simply can't ever guess these things...especially 2 in 48 hours.
 
Thank god proper football is back is all I can say. Seems like an age since we last played a league match.
 
Not got a clue what team he will put out on Saturday but I can't see Evra playing both games so Buttner will probably start against Sunderland. The interesting one is the strikers, usually he would probably rest RvP and maybe even Rooney for the league game and play Hernandez and Welbeck but Hernandez is deadly against Chelsea.
 
Not got a clue what team he will put out on Saturday but I can't see Evra playing both games so Buttner will probably start against Sunderland. The interesting one is the strikers, usually he would probably rest RvP and maybe even Rooney for the league game and play Hernandez and Welbeck but Hernandez is deadly against Chelsea.

Tough call with the forwards, all doing very well last week for their countries. Hard to leave out RVP at this stage of the season because once he gathers his momentum, he's a force.

Haven't even mentioned Kagawa who could quite easily do a job for us in either game. 4 positions and we've got RVP Rooney Hernandez Welbeck Kagawa Nani Young and Valencia who could all be fit to play. With two games in 2 days we are lucky to have that group. Interesting to see how we go about it.

Oh I forgot Giggsy who is also a viable option on the left!
 
It's not unfathomable that SAF might make almost wholesale changes for these two games. He pointed out last time that our lads were fatigued both physically and mentally, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him name two very different sides to minimise the risks of that happening again. Two games in 48 hours has the potential to be quite energy draining.


Team vs Sunderland:
De Gea; Jones, Smalling, Evans, Büttner; Valencia, Scholes, Anderson, Young; Welbeck, RvP.

Team vs Chelsea:
De Gea; Rafael, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra; Nani, Carrick, Cleverley, Kagawa; Rooney, Chicharito.

I'm assuming Nani, Scholes and Jones are all completely ready. I haven't even put Giggsy in and he's been class so I'm sure he'll play a part in one!

We've got a big squad lets use it.
 
Thank god proper football is back is all I can say. Seems like an age since we last played a league match.

That's probably because you deleted that 1-0 Reading game from you're memory the second it ended. I know I did. :lol:
 
Sunderland

De Gea
Valencia Smalling Evans Buttner
Young Scholes Anderson Giggs
Rooney Hernandez

Chelsea

De Gea
Rafael Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Nani Carrick Cleverley Welbeck
Rooney RVP

Except I know Kagawa will start one game, and Jones will play if fit.
 
Don't you think Rafael will play both games? He's not played for 3 weeks now and only twice in 6 weeks. He will definitly start tomorrow I think.

Can see Rooney, Rafael, Carrick playing all the 180+ minutes.

Don't see the need to rest people when most of them has not played many games over the last few weeks.
Carrick only once in 3 weeks for example, he's too important to leave out tomorrow or monday.
 
Sunderland 0-1 Utd

This is probably going to be a shit one.
 
Good to hear Fergie saying it will be a strong team tomorrow, not like the lineups on here suggesting we should rest everyone.

We still have at least 20 players capable of playing in any game in the league, and still have a good chance of winning. 7/8 changes from our supposed strongest 11 will still be a very strong team.
 
Sunderland 0-1 Utd

This is probably going to be a shit one.

I'll take a performance as shocking as the Reading one if we can win tomorrow. Going into the Derby atleast 15 points ahead would be wonderful.
 
I think we'll see a strong team because Fergie will hopefully be motivated to win here after what happened last season with their fans.
 
Hate these early kick offs, likely not to be pretty ,but we'll get the result. 0-2
 
We'll get the win, but it won't be a "vintage" United performance, giving the moaners one more shard of "proof" that the 12/13 side aren't fit to clean the boots of the 98/99 or 07/07 sides.
 
fecking banana skin written all over this one. Im not happy about it at all.
 
sunderland will raise their game and it will be tight because of it. Also these early kick offs mean we invariably play crap. Why is this an early kick of anyway, tv?
 
For some reason we often plays the early game after international break or after CL games (FA Cup saved us from doing that against West Ham away).

I have no idea why, maybe Sky Sports loves to give United challanges?
 
Can't agree.

Its risking a loss that we can't afford. SAF has enough quality players to strike the right balance so that we have enough top players for the Chelsea game as well.

Chelsea have got to play too and they can't risk a loss either. Spurs are one point behind them (even though they've got a game in handle) can't imagine them risking a CL place. A loss at this stage can be crucial.

A loss that we can't afford? I don't know when was the last time you had a look at the league table but we're currently 15 points ahead of City. Losing this game wouldn't put any pressure on us at all.
 
A loss that we can't afford? I don't know when was the last time you had a look at the league table but we're currently 15 points ahead of City. Losing this game wouldn't put any pressure on us at all.

No pressure at all is a little far fetched in my opinion. All it takes is a loss here and then in the derby and its down to 9 with games against chelsea and arsenal to come.Granted the probability of that is slim,but still can't take anything for granted.I'd rather we play our full strength team today and see whats left for the cup game ,take no chances and hammer the nail into city.A dodgy result here wouldn't give us much momentum going into the cup game and the players are used to these situations at the business end of the season,it's what they live for.
 
No pressure at all is a little far fetched in my opinion. All it takes is a loss here and then in the derby and its down to 9 with games against chelsea and arsenal to come.Granted the probability of that is slim,but still can't take anything for granted.I'd rather we play our full strength team today and see whats left for the cup game ,take no chances and hammer the nail into city.A dodgy result here wouldn't give us much momentum going into the cup game and the players are used to these situations at the business end of the season,it's what they live for.

9 points isn't tight at all. City will still drop something along the way and really, a 12-point gap before a home game against your rivals is hardly a situation with lots of pressure. All this nonsense about 'one loss making it tight' is nonsense - we'd have to lose 6 of the remaining 9 games for City to finish ahead, probably even more because I fully expect City to drop more than 3 until the end of season.

Between winning here and beating Chelsea on Monday I'd pick the latter anytime.
 
I swear we're going to have people saying it's tight and it could go either way if we beat City next week and are 18 points ahead with 7 games to go, because we could easily lose all of them.
 
We could win the double and put another one over City if we beat Chelsea on Monday. We can't really lose the league from this position as long as we beat Swansea and Villa at home which I fully expect we will. Rest key players here and have them ready on Monday - we'd still have a great chance at Sunderland without them, I have doubts about coping against Chelsea at Stamford without them though.
 
The Telegraph's 'possible' team:



Don't see it myself.

I've seen around 15 predicted starting XIs and they're all different, even in this thread. Truth is none of us know how SAF is going to approach this one. Rest key payers for Chelsea or name a strong squad to guarantee the 3 points?

Both are important. Understandably fans are still nervous about dropping points before the derby after what happened last season but we also haven't won the FA cup in 9 years so that deserves to be more than an afterthought that will 'take care of itself'
 
9 points isn't tight at all. City will still drop something along the way and really, a 12-point gap before a home game against your rivals is hardly a situation with lots of pressure. All this nonsense about 'one loss making it tight' is nonsense - we'd have to lose 6 of the remaining 9 games for City to finish ahead, probably even more because I fully expect City to drop more than 3 until the end of season.

Between winning here and beating Chelsea on Monday I'd pick the latter anytime.
I agree with you that it isn't tight as city would have to pull off a miracle to get back in it,I'd rather we win today and put out a strong team to keep momentum and put it to bed.Last season wasn't a good thing and would play on the minds of the players if city even got a sniff.Hopefully we can put ina good performance today and use the subs well if things go to plan and play chelsea on a high.