The “Ole In” Brigade

Regulus Arcturus Black said:
You do realise he has decided to gut the squad that finished 2nd and go with this squad?

Kin ell people, you don't back a manager because his squad is shit when he is responsible for it being shit and light.
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In fairness he did what 99% of Utd fans wanted, do not see a tear being shed for any of the players that he has ditched, the problem is the lack of replacements and the extended absence of Pogba in particular
 
Zed 101 said:
In fairness he did what 99% of Utd fans wanted, do not see a tear being shed for any of the players that he has ditched, the problem is the lack of replacements and the extended absence of Pogba in particular
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Absolutely no sane supporter wanted to have those senior players leave without being replaced.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Has Ole ever said something bad about the board or have criticized them? Will Ole ever say something that is not aligned with Woodward?

If you are supporting him you are in full support of Woodward, simple as.
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The opposite in fact, sacking him gives the board and owners another 6-12 months to say we have a new plan without everyone going mad at them.

The fans sticking with the manager and turning on the board and owners will be the only way change for the good will happen.
 
Zed 101 said:
In fairness he did what 99% of Utd fans wanted, do not see a tear being shed for any of the players that he has ditched, the problem is the lack of replacements and the extended absence of Pogba in particular
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I know, it was pure popularism and it was genius. All the people backing him still are doing it for that alone.

As @Enigma_87 was alluding to, selling Fellaini is great if someone decent comes in his place, it's a diabolical decision if Andreas is playing in CM the next season. Alienating Matic, similar story. Loaning Smalling but going to Jones when Maguire needs a rest. Allowing Lukaku to leave was another shocker.

It was popularism at it's finest and it's left the squad that finished 2nd looking weak as piss with less chance of attracting new players to play with the piss. With less chance of good football or good results to attract new good players.

Ole has set us back, big time, make no mistake about it.
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
The opposite in fact, sacking him gives the board and owners another 6-12 months to say we have a new plan without everyone going mad at them.

The fans sticking with the manager and turning on the board and owners will be the only way change for the good will happen.
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How do you side with the manager but not with the board when the manager is in full support of the board and will do whatever they say to him because there is no hope in hell he will land a top job anywhere else?

Are you for real? People were mad at the board ever since they appointed Moyes? They aren't getting a free pass, yet you are giving Ole - who is their puppet - one?
 
Zed 101 said:
In fairness he did what 99% of Utd fans wanted, do not see a tear being shed for any of the players that he has ditched, the problem is the lack of replacements and the extended absence of Pogba in particular
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That shows his naivety if he thought he could go through a season with not replacing the players.
 
Enigma_87 said:
How do you side with the manager but not with the board when the manager is in full support of the board and will do whatever they say to him because there is no hope in hell he will land a top job anywhere else?

Are you for real? People were mad at the board ever since they appointed Moyes? They aren't getting a free pass, yet you are giving Ole - who is their puppet - one?
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They sack Ole it will relieve the pressure on them, i don’t want that.
 
Velvet Revolver said:
That shows his naivety if he thought he could go through a season with not replacing the players.
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Gross negligence of the highest order you'd call it in any other business.

Disgusting Summer trying to be Mr Popular and play his holier than thou card of what a United player is, Ole aint remotely close to being a good enough manager to play that card.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Those won't qualify as top players.

Those players will need extensive coaching and guidance to become top players under a good coach and experienced manager with progressive ideas. Ole hasn't improved the players he has only to make us regress, despite bringing in 150m worth of players during the Summer, and all three of them are starting to look worse in the last couple of months game after game.

Also Maguire won't be getting the same money anywhere else if you ask me. Even City pulled out.
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they will qualify as top players. The whole Leicester midfield as an example would walk in to our team. They are all on about £50K a week or so, we can double that easy and they won’t turn in to mercenaries. The problem is we won’t pay the transfer fees. There’s loads of players would improve us that we don’t have to give Sanchez type wages to. Agree Maguire wouldn’t get our wages any where else but he’s one of our best players and one of the first names on the team sheet, and aside from tonight he’s not a crock
 
fergieisold said:
Well managed second half to get use back into the game. Shame we look like we're going out. We looked good second half!
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1-3 at home against City in the first of a two-leg round is getting us back into the game?
With this squad, these injuries, general play and outlook on strengthening the team?
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
The opposite in fact, sacking him gives the board and owners another 6-12 months to say we have a new plan without everyone going mad at them.

The fans sticking with the manager and turning on the board and owners will be the only way change for the good will happen.
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Yeah but what happens when you all back Solskjaer and then he's given 5 years and is still underperforming ?

Fans need to be realistic from a business perspective the club is the glazers commodity, they have more loyalty to Woodward then the manager. So given that the glazers own the club and Woodward is a direct employee of their business strategy who will get sacked first if things go south. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

Backing Ole and wanting Woodward out is viable in terms of emotive thinking but in the real world of this club being a business it's almost mutually exclusive.
 
LJJT said:
they will qualify as top players. The whole Leicester midfield as an example would walk in to our team. They are all on about £50K a week or so, we can double that easy and they won’t turn in to mercenaries. The problem is we won’t pay the transfer fees. There’s loads of players would improve us that we don’t have to give Sanchez type wages to. Agree Maguire wouldn’t get our wages any where else but he’s one of our best players and one of the first names on the team sheet, and aside from tonight he’s not a crock
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He has deteriorated lately and he has his weaknesses. He's not a 80m defender and clubs buy a lot smarter than this and actually improve players to his level.

Leicester finished 9th last season 14 points behind us with the same midfield and set of players, younger Vardy and even 80m Maguire in it. They are now way ahead of us and it isn't because they bought new players on a 50k per week.
 
Fans also need to realise that shit owners require a top manager.

Shit owners and a shit manager, how does any fan think that will turn out well. SAF had these owners and no problems winning shed loads so an amazing manager can do it.
A very good manager can at least get us in a much better position than we are in now, even with these owners.
 
Zed 101 said:
In fairness he did what 99% of Utd fans wanted, do not see a tear being shed for any of the players that he has ditched, the problem is the lack of replacements and the extended absence of Pogba in particular
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I agree with you but and the big BUT is we needed to replace the players that left with better quality. That was the issue.

Instead we promoted youth players that weren’t ready and using squad players that are worse than the players we sold.

We cannot improve buying just 3 players a season.
 
Enigma_87 said:
How that works?

Apparently they have a 'plan' with Ole.

It's the board who appointed him, Ole being a failure is a straight shot at them.
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A fresh start, we go again, new manager wants to look at the current players before signing any new ones all the usual bullshit will be rolled out and 2 years later we will be here again.
 
Fans turning on Glazers and Woodward, what fans? Those on OT? Good one.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I know, it was pure popularism and it was genius. All the people backing him still are doing it for that alone.

As @Enigma_87 was alluding to, selling Fellaini is great if someone decent comes in his place, it's a diabolical decision if Andreas is playing in CM the next season. Alienating Matic, similar story. Loaning Smalling but going to Jones when Maguire needs a rest. Allowing Lukaku to leave was another shocker.

It was popularism at it's finest and it's left the squad that finished 2nd looking weak as piss with less chance of attracting new players to play with the piss. With less chance of good football or good results to attract new good players.

Ole has set us back, big time, make no mistake about it.
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I don't know what you think popularism is but this is more inventionism nonsense.

He didn't "let Lukaku leave" for example. Lukaku was angling for a move the entire summer and has claimed he basically wanted to leave the entire time he was here. He was also hated and constantly slagged off on here and one of THE main reasons people on here were so against Mourinho was literally for playing Lukaku. Now you are actually trying to turn that around completely again and use it as a stick to beat the next manager with. Another problem with this argument is that Rashford has significantly more goals this season than Lukaku did this time last year. Martial has 10 despite being injured for over 2 months. Greenwood has 8. It's not the forwards that are struggling to get goals.

Again, you would not have found a single person on here saying "selling Fellaini is a diabolical decision" until it became an argument to suit an agenda. He was worse than useless as a midfielder. If he was still here and getting picked you'd want Ole sacked for playing him.

Matic has been injured and actually played quite a lot when he's been fit, and again, Jose and even Ole get slagged off FOR playing him. He has hardly been alienated. McTominay has been prefered to him in some games due to performing better. You can't really claim we haven't replaced a player when a) they are still at the club and b) they have LITERALLY been replaced by someone in the first team.

He hasn't "gone to Jones" when Maguire needed a rest either. He picked Jones because he was one of only two fit centrebacks available for the game. The only other time he's played Jones in the last few months, it was in the same team as Maguire.

It's impossible to take whatever point you try to make seriously when literally everything you say is a deliberate lie.

If you're going to criticise at least base it on actual reality rather than made up childish nonsense.
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
A fresh start, we go again, new manager wants to look at the current players before signing any new ones all the usual bullshit will be rolled out and 2 years later we will be here again.
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Why do people come with that bullshit. Did Pep and Klopp not sign players straight away? Doesn't top managers attract players that fit their philosophy straight away?

What they do compared to inept ones(Ole) is actually improving on what they got between the process.

What's your solution, keep polishing the turd we have now to be absolutely sure we will be in a more dire state than we are now after 2 years?

How is backing Ole and singing him praises is actually going against the board, genuinely wondering?
 
Enigma_87 said:
Why do people come with that bullshit. Did Pep and Klopp not sign players straight away? Doesn't top managers attract players that fit their philosophy straight away?
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Because it’s United, Ed and the Glazers - not oil money and what seem good owners for Klopp.
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
Because that will be his fault or the owners and people that actually do the buying?
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He’s said himself that he’s only looking at a couple of targets and he’s willing to wait if not.
with the midfield we have we can’t afford to wait, we need more players, we can’t prioritise one or two pie in the sky targets and come away with nobody.
 
Enigma_87 said:
He has deteriorated lately and he has his weaknesses. He's not a 80m defender and clubs buy a lot smarter than this and actually improve players to his level.

Leicester finished 9th last season 14 points behind us with the same midfield and set of players, younger Vardy and even 80m Maguire in it. They are now way ahead of us and it isn't because they bought new players on a 50k per week.
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I personally don’t give a shit how much they cost or what wages they are on. If they are good players and improve us we should go out and buy them, there’s loads of players out there that will improve this team. Recruitment is one of the most important factors for any team. Look at Liverpool prior van dyke or city prior ederson
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
Martin Edwards said the easy choice back in 1990 would have been to sack SAF because it’s what the fans and press wanted. So yeah I’ll listen to your opinion.
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Stupid opinion again @fergiesarmy1

Fergie took a side from 21st to 12th in a half season and in his first full to 2nd on 80+ points. He improved that orginal squad immensely with his coaching and management.

What the feck has Ole done to make us think he'll do a Fergie? It's amongst the most retarded things I've ever heard, Ole so far is doing the exact opposite of what SAF did in that first 1.5 years, he's making us miles miles worse. And that's not even taking into consideration that Fergie was a managerial mastermind before even joining United.
 
fergieisold said:
Errrrm, you do know we won the second half? Seriously man, which game did you watch?



See above.
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We were average 2nd half. Like a poster already mentioned we had 10 minutes where we looked decent then we went back to being distinctly average and losing the ball constantly. City themselves had more chances second half than we did and could've easily had a couple. They could afford to play in 3rd gear because the game was already done.
 
Will people stop comparing OGS woeful performances to SAF when he had so so performances for the first three years.

The game has simply moved on - end of. OGS is clueless, out of his depth, letting players go with insufficient replacements.

OGS is a strategic appointment to ensure that we are all brainwashed into the "plan". The plan is to re-calibrate the average fan that we need top be patient why we re-build with youth. Its utter bullcarp!

This is because Woody have fecked up the whole thing. He is the one consistent in this unfolding melodrama. Our finances are down the parasites still need their divi's or management fees.

Get fecking real.
 
Enigma_87 said:
How is that Liverpool owners are good now with Klopp yet bad ones under Dalglish for example?
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Certainly better than the glazers, investing in the squad, not taking money out every year for interest payments and dividends, investing in the stadium, looking to invest further into it also.

Think we may be repainting this year.

Are you actually defending the glazers?
 
fergieisold said:
Errrrm, you do know we won the second half? Seriously man, which game did you watch?



See above.
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We got slaughtered by City, celebrating that we “won the 2nd half” when City basically took their foot off the gas and dropped to 1st gear is quite frankly embarrassing.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Stupid opinion again @fergiesarmy1

Fergie took a side from 21st to 12th in a half season and in his first full to 2nd on 80+ points. He improved that orginal squad immensely with his coaching and management.

What the feck has Ole done to make us think he'll do a Fergie? It's amongst the most retarded things I've ever heard, Ole so far is doing the exact opposite of what SAF did in that first 1.5 years, he's making us miles miles worse. And that's not even taking into consideration that Fergie was a managerial mastermind before even joining United.
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Wasn’t saying anything about Ole doing a Fergie, I was pointing out it is an easy option sacking the manager when the team is doing bad and the fans want him out, then give an example of one such chairman who said it would have been easier.
 
Zed 101 said:
In fairness he did what 99% of Utd fans wanted, do not see a tear being shed for any of the players that he has ditched, the problem is the lack of replacements and the extended absence of Pogba in particular
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I put the lack of replacements squarely on Woodward and Matt Judge. After Ole is sacked the new manager will encounter similar issues and the cycle continues.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Stupid opinion again @fergiesarmy1

Fergie took a side from 21st to 12th in a half season and in his first full to 2nd on 80+ points.

What the feck has Ole done to make us think he'll do a Fergie? It's amongst the most retarded things I've ever heard.
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And Fergie was one of the best young managers in Europe, a CWC winner with Aberdeen and the last man to win the scottish league while not managing a member of the Old Firm.
 
Jonno said:
We got slaughtered by City, celebrating that we “won the 2nd half” when City basically took their foot off the gas and dropped to 1st gear is quite frankly embarrassing.
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Some here are going full pre-Klopp RAWK
 
Dec9003 said:
He’s said himself that he’s only looking at a couple of targets and he’s willing to wait if not.
with the midfield we have we can’t afford to wait, we need more players, we can’t prioritise one or two pie in the sky targets and come away with nobody.
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Well he could come out and say he’s got a £200m kitty for January, that would not be a good idea for obvious reasons.
 
LJJT said:
I personally don’t give a shit how much they cost or what wages they are on. If they are good players and improve us we should go out and buy them, there’s loads of players out there that will improve this team. Recruitment is one of the most important factors for any team. Look at Liverpool prior van dyke or city prior ederson
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The difference in your example is that both Liverpool and City had world class managers at the time prior and after those players. We have a shite one.

On the contrary not recruitment but managing and coaching those players into a cohesive unit is the most important factor for any team. Just buying good players doesn't cut it.

Again what makes you think that those good players that would improve us will choose the inept manager apart from money, compared to going to say Spurs or Chelsea?

No one in his right mind will come here under him, unless he's driven by money and we overpay in both wages and fees.
 
I hope he accidentally steps on Pogba's cask, falls out with him like Jose did and Pogba turns into the fuken devil most of our fans think he is and manages to somehow force Ole out.
 
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