Hypothetical question - unless he actually has those jobs you can't answer this question. In addition to this being good at one club does not mean you are a good fit at another club, take Brian Clough as an example.........so you can ask the question but you can't answer it.
The “Ole In” Brigade
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Hypothetical question - unless he actually has those jobs you can't answer this question. In addition to this being good at one club does not mean you are a good fit at another club, take Brian Clough as an example.........so you can ask the question but you can't answer it.
Being shit pretty much everywhere apart from one season in Norway is a pretty good indicator of how he'd do at other clubs no?
......'blind followers' is just a failure to see the other sides argument. I can see both sides to the argument and just happen to disagree with you, not because I am a blind follower who thinks that Ole can do no wrong but because on balance I think he is who we need right now.
I get where you are coming from though as I have seen it on both sides of the argument on this forum. Some of the 'Ole in crowd' and some of the 'Ole Out crowd' are becoming tribal and religious about their views and are becoming 'blind followers' or 'blind Ole outers'!!
In any debate it is sometimes a good idea to pretend you are arguing for the other side of the argument it can be an eye opener - you won't necessarily change your mind but you will see things from a different angle.
So in 6 seasons where Ole was solely in charge he won 2 league titles and runners up twice and you are using this as a reason to bash him!
I am not saying his time at Molde proves anything but those stats are pretty good and he won the Norwegian Football Cup.
Some managerial stats:
Manchester United Reserves
Premier Reserve League: 2009–10 - CHAMPIONS
Premier Reserve League North: 2009–10 CHAMPIONS
Lancashire Senior Cup: 2008–09 CHAMPIONS
Manchester Senior Cup: 2009 CHAMPIONS
Again doesn’t prove anything at Premier League Level but if you are going to use previous managerial stats to bash him I don’t see how you can apart from Cardiff.
His stats for Man Utd Reserves and Molde are pretty good.
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wow you're really comparing Lukaku to these players?
wow you're really compared Lukaku to these players?
Yes, because all of the players you or I have mentioned have handed in transfer requests, yet some of them were made to stay longer than they have may have wished. Not that difficult, mate. Solksjaer could easily have told Lukaku he could only leave once we signed a replacement. Doesn't matter whether he liked that or not he had contract with us he had to honour.
Who would do better, seriously? People have short memories or are deliberately narrow sightedly avoiding the fact that none of those supposedly super talented managers (Pochettino, Pellegrini, Mourinho, Unai Emery etc) have done jack shit this season either with their more talented squads.
Solskjærs proven he can spot a player. Hanging his hat on Andreas and signing Jones on a new contract might have been a mistake but I don’t think anyone would begrudge them remaining as squad players (which they are, really, remembering our injury list).
I just wonder if the Glazers simply don’t want to release any more funds for signings as they are asset stripping to sell the club first.
Solskjærs proven he can spot a player. Hanging his hat on Andreas and signing Jones on a new contract might have been a mistake but I don’t think anyone would begrudge them remaining as squad players (which they are, really, remembering our injury list).
I just wonder if the Glazers simply don’t want to release any more funds for signings as they are asset stripping to sell the club first.
And to the Ole out brigade who think he’s not a talented manager (I actually do), name someone you do think IS talented (outside of Pep and Klopp)
wait when did Pogba hand in a transfer request? van Nistelrooy wanted out because he got into an argument with Fergie about playing time. Ronaldo always wanted to go to Madrid
Also when you compare these players to someone like Lukaku who had 1 good month all season and cost us many games because of his poor finishing. not to mention we became a laughing stock because of his poor first touch
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His time at Molde wasn't though. He took over a team that won the league and did it too once. That was 2012. 2013 he finished sixth. Then he went to Cardiff and got relegated. He went back to Molde in 2015 and finished sixth, fifth and after that twice second.
Not very impressive.
Any manager would struggle to have any kind of impact on the likes of Liverpool and Man City with this squad.
Its the worst group of players we have had in decades, literally 80% are not good enough for a club like United.
You need to look at who allowed this squad to assemble and the costs involved doing so.
Im not saying Ole is a world beater as a manager, but you cannot completely dismiss him as useless when he has this squad to choose from and injuries to the better players.
A lot of these players should be utterly ashamed of themselves, talk about stealing a living for years and just zero desire to actually improve the situation.
Its the worst group of players we have had in decades, literally 80% are not good enough for a club like United.
You need to look at who allowed this squad to assemble and the costs involved doing so.
Im not saying Ole is a world beater as a manager, but you cannot completely dismiss him as useless when he has this squad to choose from and injuries to the better players.
A lot of these players should be utterly ashamed of themselves, talk about stealing a living for years and just zero desire to actually improve the situation.
You honestly can't think of a more talented managers in the world than Ole bar Klopp and Pep?
Every other PL manager is better than Ole. I honestly think Steve Bruce is better.
I have no idea what your point is.
I'm not talking about Lukaku's ability or in anyway comparing his performances with those players, I'm just stating the fact that we have made players stay when they have made it clear they wanted to leave.
Surely everyone knows he’s finished now, he probably still makes it until end of season or until it’s mathematically over.
The rebuild/three year plan is dead, Ole is done.
The rebuild/three year plan is dead, Ole is done.
I’d be here all night if I was naming more talented managers than Solksjaer.
Poch, Diego Simone, Erik ten Hag, Conte, Allegri, Marco Bielsa, Brendan Rodgers, Zinidine Zidane, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Didier dechamps, Luis Enrique, Pablo Machin, Joachim Löwe.
If you count managers who are still in the game but past their prime, then Mourinho, Wenger and Ancelotti.
My purpose to my question: put those names in our club and how well would they do with the team we have available to us right now? (Taking account the injuries we have too)
How well would they do with our crop of players? You expect them to get Phil Jones and Jesse Lingard challenging Liverpool and City?
So many have already been named. I have a question for you. When it was clear that Mourinho's time was up, was Ole in your top 10 choices to replace him?
Oh, and here's another. What top team, besides us, would have appointed Ole as their manager?
If they had been in the same time as Ole the squad might be different. It's hypothetical how they would perform if they swapped jobs with Ole at this moment. I believe they would have performed better if they were hired before the season as was intended as Ole was only supposed to be the interim manager.
You ask me this question in the same season that Chelsea hired Lampard and Arsenal hired Arteta, so there’s two clubs to start you off.
Are any of us demanding Ole to challenge for the title this season? We have the worst point tally and results in about 30 years. That's really really bad.
Yep. I'm not putting loads of angry energy into this anymore, the writing is on the wall. I've been sure for awhile this was the case anyway, not sure he'll even make it to the summer now though, not with the injuries and toxic atmosphere.
He didn't win a thing at Molde in the last 5 years and their new manager is about to win the league with the same squad
In other words, he isn't very good
Neither would have appointed Ole, don't be stupid
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Was our team better than burnley’s Starting line up last night? Is Dyche a better manager than Ole then?
Is the Sheffield United manager better manager than ole?
I ask as I think ole’s team on paper are better than both but they seem to be outperforming him. How come?
Was our team better than burnley’s Starting line up last night? Is Dyche a better manager than Ole then?
Is the Sheffield United manager better manager than ole?
I ask as I think ole’s team on paper are better than both but they seem to be outperforming him. How come?
It’s not completely hypothetical.
Pochettino lost the dressing room at Spurs, Mourinho is losing them now.
Allegri and Ancelotti are like the big Sam’s of European football
would we have appointed Arteta or Lampard?
Don’t be aggressive.
How has Ole proven that he can spot a player? Because of Maguire, Wan bissaka and James? Maguire is the most expensive defender ever but is shadow of players like VVD and Wan Bissaka is solid but nothing special. James is not special either but at least fairly cheapish.
I'm a little worried that this obviously being SAF's idea an all that SAF has taken on some background DoF role. There is zero doubt that bringing Ole and Phelan back has SAF's hands all over it and I think he'll fight tooth and nail to get them another season.
Truly terrifying stuff.
Stupid question. What top club would have hired Guardiola pre-Barca? What top club would have hired Lampard? He was obviously hired because he’s an ex-player who knows the club and appreciates our history. It happens quite frequently, get over it.
Dyche and managers like him shithouse teams like ours every time they play. It’s just a way of maximising squads.
They scored the two chances they had. One a half chance. Shit fecking happens. It’s been a nightmare few years for us in that regard I would say.
How am I being aggressive? Neither Arteta or Lampard have relegated a club and were on the way to doing it again before being sacked. There's the difference.
I presume since you didn't answer my other question that you, like most sane people, would never have considered Ole as a replacement for Mourinho.
I see no point in appointing a new manager whist the current regime is still in place, put your energies into trying to get rid of these parasites, then we can think about a new manager, and another point is, would any of these managers WANT to come to a club that is palpably toxic. I like Ole, and I want him to carry on and be successful, but if in due course he is found wanting, then we will have to think about a new man. He has managed to get rid of some of the so called deadwood, and still has more to go. He has had to manage probably one of the weakest post Fergie squads we have had, with his 'star' player missing for most of the season, has improved Fred, McTominay and Rashford and brought Greenwood and Williams into the first team arena, so we have started the job.
'Knows the club and appreciates our history'. So does the tea lady. Sums it up really.
Oh ffs. This again. Do you know what else Klopp had done before being appointed Liverpool manager?
I’m gonna count Williams and Greenwood too. Would any other manager have given them the game time they have had?
It’s all hypotheticals I know but I’m trying to see positives
Mourinho sure as hell didn’t, and he failed spectacularly, with a lot more money.