The Active Shooter Thread
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Those are terrible stats and it's heartbreaking. We had similar problems here, our government started a initiative and things are significantly better. I wrote about it in the gun control thread.
I'm from Serbia, after the war there were guns everywhere in all forms. We had among the highest murder rates in the world and we were 2nd in the world just after the US in guns owned / population ( In recorded statistics ). Mass shootings, armed robberies and murders were common place.
In 2003 the Serbian government initiated the project to rid the country of it's post war rampant weapons ownership. Banning almost all form of private ownership with the obvious exceptions. Instead of prison sentences for illegal gun ownership heavy fines we're set with a minimum being 10 000 euros and higher if your income is higher, we have to remember that the average yearly income is around 5000 euros.
The government set up tip hotlines for people to call in if they knew somebody owning a gun illegally. A system was set in place for law inforcement to attain search warrants easily if guns were involved.
Immunity is given for handing in your weapons by calling the police to come and retrieve them, even 15 years later after the start of the initiative.
Today 2018 it is estimated that over 350 000 rifles, assault-rifles and handguns have been siezed and destroyed in a country with 7 million inhabitants.
Our murder rates have dropped by 480% and armed robbery by 350% at the same time we removed the life-sentance penalty and reduced the law inforcement budget by almost 15% ( mainly because of our poor economy ). Ofcourse there are other factors in those stats as the stability rised but it is hard to deny that a tighter control of guns has had a positive effect on our society.
I'm not saying this would work in the US or anything like that, just giving an example of how it worked for us.
A lot of them are not technically school shooting. Fox News'ish type reporting right there. I am all for gun control and hopefully a ban but sensationalizing and using number like that is playing right into the gun lobby hands.
A school shooting is when someone goes onto school property with the intention of harming others.
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The casualties from "friendly fire" would also be ignored.
Quite.
Plus aside from everything else, surely also having to deal with a load of well-meaning, gun-toting amateurs would be a massive hindrance for the response teams who are are actually qualified to deal with the situation.
You must be insane if you believe that restricting acces to fire arms would reduce gun related crime. The only way to stop gun related crime is to make it compulsory for everyone above the age of 3 to carry a fire arm at all times.
How are 0-2 year olds meant to defend their homes? You haven't thought this through.
So what's the ruling going to be?. is there capital punishment in Florida?
Yeah. 348 people currently awaiting execution and he'll be another.
More guns, fewer appeals.
He will be tried federally not by the state.
Putting aside how ridiculous the notion of capital punishment is in 2018, I'd wager the kid probably planned to kill himself anyway, so some good that would do.
So yeah, kill the culprit who probably would have killed himself if he wasn't caught, and then get those prayers out en masse, all until the next scheduled school shooting when they can do it all over again.
He tried to escape by blending in with students following the shooting.
Probably pussied out and bottled it. Before going ahead with it he would have known there was no way back so its highly likely he planned to kill himself.
Why? and what does the charges mean in federal terms?
So people must die for it to be considered a shooting?
The FBI is in charge of the investigation and all similar investigation. It means they are charged by the central US government instead of the state where the crime occurred.
I am all for gun control and hopefully a ban but sensationalizing and using numbers like that is playing right into the gun lobby hands. If they can question your numbers it will be considered fake news.
A school shooting is when someone goes onto school property with the intention of harming others. Its not when a cops gun (or any gun) gets accidentally discharged. Its not when someone commits suicide on schools grounds. Its not when there is a shooting outside school.
regarding see something say something, obviously it's a random person on the internet so it may be a fabrication, but it's in line with other similar verified stories from the past
You do know school is a gun free zone right? When a gun goes off, even if accidental, it sends everyone into a frenzy and the first responders react the same way. Swat teams will be on campus.
Still doesn't make an accidental discharge by a police officer or a shooting outside school grounds a school shooting.
Lets not split hairs over it though. One school shooting is one too many.
Cruz passed background checks and bought the gun legally, despite the entire community knowing he was unstable.
Madness.
Madness.
I’m all for trebuchets, ballistas, archers, and oil lining fortified walls around the school.
Most mass shooters have no diagnosed mental illness prior to the shooting despite them generally being batshit crazy.
Oh that’s alright then. For a minute there I thought it might be the right time to do something sensible like banning guns.
So thats exactly what you are saying. Only if a kid is killed then its a shooting.
I was very clear about what I was saying......."A school shooting is when someone goes onto school property with the intention of harming others."
Doesn't mean anyone is killed or even injured.
Cheapskate. Build the Moat!
Monks too.
Leader of white nationalist group has confirmed suspect in Florida school shooting was member of his organization
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...oup-confirmed-suspect-florida-school-53115589
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...oup-confirmed-suspect-florida-school-53115589
feck Infowars (a thread)
You have absolutely no way of knowing what he planned.
Out of curiosity what exactly are the background checks for guns ? Hear the term a lot but what do they check?
FBI criminal background check. The DB also contains some mental illness information.
How did Trump & company justify ending the ban on mentally ill people buying guns? Or did he/they not try to justify it?
He did that shit as quietly as possible.
But then the asshole tweets this morning that he shouldn’t have been sold an AR because of his mental health.
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