The Active Shooter Thread

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Aaah been a while since we heard this



"We need to have an honest conversation as to what should and should not be allowed in the United States as it relates to the things being put in the hands of our young people,"
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"I'm a big believer in the First Amendment and right to free speech, but there are certain things that are so graphic as it relates to violence, and things that are so pornographic on a whole another front that we allow to pass under the guise of free speech, which arguably are," he told the Enquirer. "But there is zero redemptive value. There is zero upside to any of this being in the public domain, let alone in the minds and hands and homes of our young people."
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It looks like he's talking about keeping weapons of mass murder out of young people's hands here, but never fear, he's actually just talking about games and movies. Something I assure you we don't have in the UK, hence our low gun murder rates.
 
I know I'm very likely wrong, but it just feels like it will never change with the American model with allowed bribing (donations) to politicians.
 
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Ødegaard said:
I know I'm very likely wrong, but it just feels like it will never change with the American model with allowed bribing (donations) to poloticians.
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I don’t think you’re wrong. The fact that an organization like the NRA, or any other organization for that matter, can buy politicians’ alliegiance is outrageous.
 
Rob said:
I don’t think you’re wrong. The fact that an organization like the NRA, or any other organization for that matter, can buy politicians’ alliegiance is outrageous.
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It really is!
 
Ubik said:
Aaah been a while since we heard this







It looks like he's talking about keeping weapons of mass murder out of young people's hands here, but never fear, he's actually just talking about games and movies. Something I assure you we don't have in the UK, hence our low gun murder rates.
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I wrote a 30-40 page paper on the effects video games have on young children and teens. I had to site over 50 credible sources for the paper. After research I can conclusively say there was absolutely no effect video games had on kids.
 
It's ridiculous that assault rifles and automatic guns are sold in the US. Why would anyone need something like that? Definitely not for hunting. Automatic firearms can shoot more than 80-100 rounds in a minute as they don't have to be reloaded manually and the trigger doesn't have to be released. Truly bizarre that these dangerous weapons are allowed. The power of money and influence in shaping laws, that's what it is. The NRA needs looking at. Dangerous gang.
 
I don't think it's so much the direct contributions to politicians that makes the NRA so powerful, it's the threat that they can throw money and mobilise angry voters behind a primary challenger if you aren't supportive enough of them.
 
Ubik said:
Aaah been a while since we heard this







It looks like he's talking about keeping weapons of mass murder out of young people's hands here, but never fear, he's actually just talking about games and movies. Something I assure you we don't have in the UK, hence our low gun murder rates.
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I'm so glad those evil video games are only available in the US and not available to our kids in Europe.

I follow some poker pros on twitter and they have been tweeting some of the dumbest shit over the last few days. Doyle Brunson and Mike Matusow are literally blaming everything except guns. They were giving out about the widespread availability of toy guns and how that normalises guns for children. No problem with the widespread availability of assault rifles though. They're fine.
 
Ubik said:
Aaah been a while since we heard this







It looks like he's talking about keeping weapons of mass murder out of young people's hands here, but never fear, he's actually just talking about games and movies. Something I assure you we don't have in the UK, hence our low gun murder rates.
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I blame Marilyn Manson.
 
langster said:
Attitudes like that are just as much of a problem. And it really isn't a "large part" at all, It's actually relatively small, It's just they shout louder and have bought politicians on their side.

The will of the people is there and as Bill Clinton said the other day, assault rifles were banned before, they can be again. There are plenty of sensible compromises to be made that will help. Doing nothing and giving up is the only sure way that nothing will change. These kids have voices and they are using them, if they only change 10 people's minds It's still a start.
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"Just as much of a problem" and "Relatively small" are interesting terms.

Unfortunately, it's hardly a small group that are simply shouting louder. It's a large group of people, enough of them find (and maintain) themselves in powerful enough positions to prevent substantial changes being made. It's naive to suggest this has been kept like this due to a "relatively" small group and some funded politicians.

It's just the same things being repeated, the same outcry for change that's largely been ignored since the 80's.

Armed security, turning schools "safe" with various security measures.

We can always hope that the next generation of NRA leaders grow up with some common sense, but given the money involved and general fear that they prey on, well, good luck
 
The Dems need to take back control and overturn Citizens United and that will get the money out of politics. Then real changes can have a chance of getting passed.
 
Turn schools safe is the funniest one. Schools have massive perimeters and multiple entry points. Even if there was security checkpoints at the access points what happens when the shooter just drops the $15 a hour security guard manning the security point first. What happens if they jump the fence somewhere remote on the property. What happens if they jump the fence the night before, stash their weapons, and then enter normally in the morning.
 
Mike Schatner said:
Turn schools safe is the funniest one. Schools have massive perimeters and multiple entry points. Even if there was security checkpoints at the access points what happens when the shooter just drops the $15 a hour security guard manning the security point first. What happens if they jump the fence somewhere remote on the property. What happens if they jump the fence the night before, stash their weapons, and then enter normally in the morning.
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Where there's a will there's a way,
And where there are guns there's a mass shooting every day in the USA.
 
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We all knew that was never going to happen. That's one promise he could never keep all the time he's reversing bills and not doing anything about gun control.

The pictures of him at the hospital in Florida giving the thumbs up are just sick. All about him. Despicable creature.
 
RDCR07 said:
I wrote a 30-40 page paper on the effects video games have on young children and teens. I had to site over 50 credible sources for the paper. After research I can conclusively say there was absolutely no effect video games had on kids.
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If I'm remembering correctly, news coverage of violent events is more likely to have an effect on kids than video games and movies (and even then it's basically negligible).
 
Ubik said:
Aaah been a while since we heard this







It looks like he's talking about keeping weapons of mass murder out of young people's hands here, but never fear, he's actually just talking about games and movies. Something I assure you we don't have in the UK, hence our low gun murder rates.
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This is the Jon Stewart bit where he shows Fox going after every single amendment in the bill of rights (including the 1st), except the second.
 
Mike Schatner said:
Must admit I haven't been down there too much in recent years. Used to go a lot back in the early 2000s. Saw someone get beaten up or ended up in bother myself on regluar occasions out in Manchester and Bolton. My best man got his jaw broken by a random passer by in Piccadilly Garden bus station a week before my wedding.

My point was crime is really not much different in most parts of the US. Bad areas of big cities (like Ybor) it can be worse but in the suburbs its a lot lower.
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Didn't this shooting take place in a suburb though? And it seems like an awful lot of these school shootings happen in suburbs or small town areas.
 
Ubik said:
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Not only are he and his colleagues corrupt but they also have no shame. The very last thing they want is an 'honest conversation'.
 
langster said:


We all knew that was never going to happen. That's one promise he could never keep all the time he's reversing bills and not doing anything about gun control.

The pictures of him at the hospital in Florida giving the thumbs up are just sick. All about him. Despicable creature.
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Who knew it was going to be so complicated.
 
langster said:


We all knew that was never going to happen. That's one promise he could never keep all the time he's reversing bills and not doing anything about gun control.

The pictures of him at the hospital in Florida giving the thumbs up are just sick. All about him. Despicable creature.
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The use of the words "inner city" is a pointer to something more specific than all gun use...
 
berbatrick said:
The use of the words "inner city" is a pointer to something more specific than all gun use...
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Yeah, the subtext is that he's addressing white people.
 
SwansonsTache said:
I would certainly own guns if I lived in the US, things that are totally alien to us living over here like house invasions etc. would make me want to take precautions.
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Here are some numbers, 430 people are killed by home invasion each year in the US whereas stairs kill around 2500.

But 500 people die from accidental gun discharge each year and 21000 people use it on themselves to take their life.
 
We need a generation or two of high ranking political gangs to die the feck out. Strangely, for a first world country, the US probably needs a fair bit longer.
 
Surely the GOP, Fox News, RWNJs, hate talk radio, etc. will soon be pointing out this kid's hatred and racist views. Like they pointed out that Muslim guy's beliefs after he drove around Manhattan killing innocents.
 
Trump went to a Studio 54-themed party at Mar-a-Lago after leaving Broward County.
 
Ødegaard said:
I know I'm very likely wrong, but it just feels like it will never change with the American model with allowed bribing (donations) to politicians.
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That’s one point I can’t get my head around, it something you would expect from banana republic not the worlds most advanced country.
 
Emma Gonzalez, a senior at Douglas, spoke at a gun control rally in Fort Lauderdale urging for people to take change into their own hands.

"If all our government and President can do is send thoughts and prayers, then it's time for victims to be the change that we need to see," she said.

"Since the time of the Founding Fathers and since they added the Second Amendment to the Constitution, our guns have developed at a rate that leaves me dizzy.

"The guns have changed but our laws have not."

Gonzalez showed determination that the school board, faculty members, family members and students of the sccool will make sure that the shooting will be the 'last mass shooting' in the country.

"We are going to be the kids you read about in textbooks. Not because we're going to be another statistic about mass shooting in America, but because, just as David said, we are going to be the last mass shooting," Gonzales said. "Just like Tinker v. Des Moines, we are going to change the law."

Chastising US President Donald Trump's tweet which blamed victims for not reporting Cruz' 'erratic behaviour' to authorities, Gonzalez ended her speech by urging people to register to vote and contact their local congresspeople to get US gun laws changed.

"They say a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. We call BS. They say guns are just tools like knives and are as dangerous as cars. We call BS.

"They say no laws could have prevented the hundreds of senseless tragedies that have occurred. We call BS. That us kids don't know what we're talking about, that we're too young to understand how the government works. We call BS."
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/17/us/florida-student-emma-gonzalez-speech/index.html
 
Nikhil said:
It's ridiculous that assault rifles and automatic guns are sold in the US. Why would anyone need something like that?
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"Any of these are ideal for home defence."



I always felt that scene was a dig at the NRA
 
The US president’s attempt to use the shooting to make a political point about the FBI’s Russia inquiries into the Trump campaign drew swift criticism, including from John Kasich, the Republican governor of Ohio, who told CNN it was an “absurd statement”.
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