The Biden Presidency

oneniltothearsenal said:
What specific policies of Biden contribute to the stats you quoted? Which countries are currently "on track" to pre-pandemic levels?
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Also, which of those countries have $28 trillion economies and minimal government subsidies to help them recover.
 
Speaking of the economy



Would be funny if the fed is just making stuff up.
 
berbatrick said:
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Anecdotally I still find it hard to imagine this will do anything but help him in the general. Only those farthest to the left in my experience are opposed to action at the border. The Dems have been most successful when catering to the center and center right and I haven't met a single person in my years in that category that didn't support stronger action to stop illegal immigration - which is what this will be seen as and not doing it will lose him the majority of those votes. Look at what happened in what is perceived to be a more left wing Europe where it was and still is a huge topic of frustration that made people cross over to the right.

This is not a fight for the far right or the far left, this is a fight for the center.
 
Redplane said:
Anecdotally I still find it hard to imagine this will do anything but help him in the general. Only those farthest to the left in my experience are opposed to action at the border. The Dems have been most successful when catering to the center and center right and I haven't met a single person in my years in that category that didn't support stronger action to stop illegal immigration - which is what this will be seen as and not doing it will lose him the majority of those votes. Look at what happened in what is perceived to be a more left wing Europe where it was and still is a huge topic of frustration that made people cross over to the right.

This is not a fight for the far right or the far left, this is a fight for the center.
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Na, this is a fight for the right. Trump doesnt fight for the center and of course neither the left. And the left will not vote ever for trump so they will not vote or vote for Biden to avoid trump.

The center is very much secured by Biden, the left has only Biden as an option. The right is what is in play
 
4bars said:
Na, this is a fight for the right. Trump doesnt fight for the center and of course neither the left. And the left will not vote ever for trump so they will not vote or vote for Biden to avoid trump.

The center is very much secured by Biden, the left has only Biden as an option. The right is what is in play
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I don't think things break down that simple. I think there are a lot of voters that won't fit neatly into that rough characterization. There are people that might be very socially liberal but economically conservative or somewhat liberal religious people that might average out into the "center" but could be motivated to vote by very different things. Some people only care about the "economy" for selfish reasons and some are much more apolitical and don't trust either party so they might not vote or vote on a whim come November. I've met some examples of all of those that would still fall under the undecided voter category but for very different reasons. I wouldn't say Biden has all the groups that might average out to "center" locked up. Then the people that might sit out because of Israel-Gaza are also extremely diverse from socially conservative Muslims to extremely progressive LGBTQ activists from Gen Z where they might be 100% in alignment with not liking Biden's support of Israel and genocide but have almost diametrically opposed views on social issues like LGBTQ rights. Then there are some moderate Jewish people that might typically vote Democrat but they feel Biden hasn't gone far enough in support of Israel (yes, these people do exist as I have heard first hand accounts).
 
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oneniltothearsenal said:
I don't think things break down that simple. I think there are a lot of voters that won't fit neatly into that rough characterization. There are people that might be very socially liberal but economically conservative or somewhat liberal religious people that might average out into the "center" but could be motivated to vote by very different things. Some people only care about the "economy" for selfish reasons and some are much more apolitical and don't trust either party so they might not vote or vote on a whim come November. I've met some examples of all of those that would still fall under the undecided voter category but for very different reasons. I wouldn't say Biden has all the groups that might average out to "center" locked up. Then the people that might sit out because of Israel-Gaza are also extremely diverse from socially conservative Muslims to extremely progressive LGBTQ activists from Gen Z where they might be 100% in alignment with not liking Biden's support of Israel and genocide but have almost diametrically opposed views on social issues like LGBTQ rights. Then there are some moderate Jewish people that might typically vote Democrat but they feel Biden hasn't gone far enough in support of Israel (yes, these people do exist as I have heard first hand accounts).
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Oh yes. Absolutely. You just describing that every individual has its own reasons to vote. even there are leftists that they have that odd right wing policy preference. Maybe anti abortion and might prefer trump because are superinvested.

When we talk about left-center-right (and extremes) I assume we are talking in general terms and who, of this blocks that share certain interests are more likely to vote based on what each candidate offers to them
 
Surely he needs replacing as the Democrat nominee. Guessing with the 1st debate being early it gives the Dems a chance to replace him if he cannot string 2 sentences together and Trump destroys him in the CNN face off.
 
VorZakone said:
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McGurk, who is deep in the inner circle and has wide powers relating to Israel, has been in successive administrations since W Bush. His long-term goal through these decades is the Saudi deal as a way for Israel to become a recognised Middle Eastern player without needing to make any adjustments with Palestine.
I wonder if he thinks either that
1. the deal is more important than shorter-term concerns like the presidency, or
2. the deal has a better chance under Trump

Either would explain Biden's Israel pollicy.
 
could go in the palestine thread, but this is more directly about the power biden has which he will never touch. there's already an anecdote like this from reagan to begin, and this is carter proposing a more drastic step and getting an immediate response:

 
berbatrick said:
could go in the palestine thread, but this is more directly about the power biden has which he will never touch. there's already an anecdote like this from reagan to begin, and this is carter proposing a more drastic step and getting an immediate response:

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Carter and Reagan proved a long time ago that the POTUS, of all people, having their hands tied is a myth used to gaslight any voter having concerns on Biden's foreign policy and send them on a guilt trip.

He's is a Zionist through and through, and his administration the most pro-Israel in US history, Trump's coming as a close second.
 
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That_Bloke said:
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Carter and Reagan proved a long time that the POTUS, of all people, has their hands tied is a myth used to gaslight any voter having concerns on Biden's foreign policy and send them on a guilt trip.

He's is a Zionist through and through, and his administration the most pro-Israel in US history, Trump's coming as a close second.
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Trump is probably the least zionist of them all. He is just there for the money and AIPAC & Co have it
 
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