Rooney had 1 assist in the league before January. Only 1. He's been absolutely terrible at creating chances but some folks on here still regard him as a creative genius. Incredible
The end of Rooney
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Rooney had 1 assist in the league before January. Only 1. He's been absolutely terrible at creating chances but some folks on here still regard him as a creative genius. Incredible
Falcao still managed to contribute more goals/assists per played minutes in the league. The comparison with Falcao is spot on.
There's plenty of valid criticism for Rooney that's fully deserved and then there's just pure taking the piss. This is a load of piss. You can't possibly say he's anywhere close to as bad as Falcao was/is.
Up until recently when he's finally started to perform at least half decently and go on an OK scoring run, he probably was.
Statistically, he's been worse in the league, obviously. Do the math, it's quite simple.
Rooney contibuted ZERO league points in the first half of the season. ZERO.
Rashford's played only 7 PL games so far and has already contributed more points than Rooney. Rooney's been terrible overall. Last calendar year he's scored only 5 league goals from open play
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I missed the 3 against Bruges.
Which is why the comparison is stupid. He proved that he's not completely finished. Falcao is completely done.
Statistics are odious because they can be twisted around in many ways. Its evident that Falcao is done. However you cant say the same about a striker who scored 14 goals in 34 matches.
Unless the Chinese actually can improve on Rooney's 300k/week deal he's going nowhere. The one football personality in England who's even bigger than Rooney is Mourinho, who will bench the fukk out of him if his game doesn't improve to required standards, his salary be damned.
Statistically, he's been worse in the league, obviously. Do the math, it's quite simple.
Rooney contibuted ZERO league points in the first half of the season. ZERO.
Rashford's played only 7 PL games so far and has already contributed more points than Rooney. Rooney's been terrible overall. Last calendar year he's scored only 5 league goals from open play
The difference is, Rooney managed to go on a run and it's been relatively common throughout his career that he'd go on long slumps without scoring. Not making excuses for him, but he's not at Falcao's level yet, nowhere close.
He also scored against Everton, France (with England) and Liverpool. I am not a big fan of Rooney and given the choice Id rather see him on the way out. However comparing him with Falcao is stupid
Statistically, he's been worse in the league, obviously. Do the math, it's quite simple.
Rooney contibuted ZERO league points in the first half of the season. ZERO.
Rashford's played only 7 PL games so far and has already contributed more points than Rooney. Rooney's been terrible overall. Last calendar year he's scored only 5 league goals from open play
by that logic, alexis Sanchez did nothing for 4 months, does that mean he is worse than falcao too?
Well, Falcao never had the opportunity to go on a run because we are that patient only with Rooney. I'm not defending Falcao who was shit, obviously. Rooney was as bad as Falcao over the entire first half of the season though. No, he wasn't as bad. He was worse. 2 goals and 1 assist in the league over 15 + games, ZERO contributed points
when was that, sir? when he was out injured?
Well, Falcao never had the opportunity to go on a run because we are that patient only with Rooney. I'm not defending Falcao who was shit, obviously. Rooney was as bad as Falcao over the entire first half of the season though. No, he wasn't as bad. He was worse. 2 goals and 1 assist in the league over 15 + games, ZERO contributed points
Ok, over that period, fair enough. However Falcao is that bad that he could go to the worst league in world football and fail to stand out. He's diabolically shit. Rooney isn't that bad yet.
What would you say about a striker who contributed 2 goals, 1 assist and ZERO points in the league over the entire first half of the season?
I'm sure there's a way to link the table itself, but from Sqwaka: http://www.squawka.com/football-pla...8/04/2016#season#53#all-matches#total#desc#90
If you use their 'performance score' done on 90 minutes, for this season including some comparators:
Total / Attack
Ozil: 39.13 / 23.88
Eriksen: 33.67 / 26.25
De Bruyne: 20.94 / 27.90
Mata: 17.96 / 16.42
Rooney: 16.98 / 20.71
Rashford: 13.59 / 22.54
Fellaini: 8.81 / 12.11
Lingard: 7.48 / 15.02
Kind of highlights how much better other 'playmakers' are then ours, but also puts Fellaini/Lingard into context. And Rooney.
I would love if it nice, homegrown, not big contract Jesse was contributing as much as true stars in the premier league. But he's not.
If you use their 'performance score' done on 90 minutes, for this season including some comparators:
Total / Attack
Ozil: 39.13 / 23.88
Eriksen: 33.67 / 26.25
De Bruyne: 20.94 / 27.90
Mata: 17.96 / 16.42
Rooney: 16.98 / 20.71
Rashford: 13.59 / 22.54
Fellaini: 8.81 / 12.11
Lingard: 7.48 / 15.02
Kind of highlights how much better other 'playmakers' are then ours, but also puts Fellaini/Lingard into context. And Rooney.
I would love if it nice, homegrown, not big contract Jesse was contributing as much as true stars in the premier league. But he's not.
From Jan to March. 3 months. rooney had 5.
Thanks for the link. According to this table, the best has been Traore (Chelsea), followed by TFM (United). Vardy who has won at least a CL place for Leicester is....68
67th is...Hazard Are these guys for real?
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So you think that 3 months are enough to label a striker as finished?
Did Sanchez play a single minute in January? He was injured. Sanchez has 5 assists in the CL alone, btw.
The fist half of the season spans from August to the end of December. That's about 4,5 months.
Rooney is not finished per se. He's finished at the highest level though.
He's in decline. However comparing him to Falcao is odious
This story will be in the papers tomorrow, mark my words.
And you can quote me on that
And you can quote me on that
I see him finishing out his contract in midfield.
He has been effective there.
He has been effective there.
Rooney "can play in midfield" in the same essence that Rio could play in goal. It's nice to have, but you wouldn't want to pay the guy 200k to do it every week.
If he can't play in an effective role for us anymore (like he was as a striker) then he has to go. We can't afford passengers.
If he can't play in an effective role for us anymore (like he was as a striker) then he has to go. We can't afford passengers.
he did but i misquoted the stats. In the league he went 14 games scoring just 2 goals from middle of october till beginning of March.
24-10-2015 Arsenal 2 : 1 Everton 89'
31-10-2015 Swansea 0 : 3 Arsenal 90'
08-11-2015 Arsenal 1 : 1 Tottenham 90'
21-11-2015 West Bromwich Albion 2 : 1 Arsenal 90'
29-11-2015 Norwich 1 : 1 Arsenal 60'
24-01-2016 Arsenal 0 : 1 Chelsea 33'
02-02-2016 Arsenal 0 : 0 Southampton 90'
07-02-2016 Bournemouth 0 : 2 Arsenal 82'
14-02-2016 Arsenal 2 : 1 Leicester 90'
28-02-2016 Manchester United 3 : 2 Arsenal 90'
02-03-2016 Arsenal 1 : 2 Swansea 75'
05-03-2016 Tottenham 2 : 2 Arsenal 90'
19-03-2016 Everton 0 : 2 Arsenal 90'
02-04-2016 Arsenal 4 : 0 Watford 79'
The games in bold are the only ones he scored in. He went on a barren run. Does that mean he is worse than Falcao? Of course not. He came back from it scoring in the last 3 games.
Was rooney bad? Of course. Was he as bad as falcao? No. Falcao scored goals and assisted yes. So he can be of some use yes.
It is what we aspire to.
He should be shown the door ! No player in the world with his wages contributes so little to his team ! Maybe marketing wise, that's all what Manchester United do these days anyway.
Think of this way, selling Rooney could fetch us around 30M. And that 300k/week saved could be used on 2-3 players, at least.
Jesus.
Jesus.
wonder what Jose's decision will be. This will tell about what his entire goal at United will be. To just win trophies or the entire financial stuff we have been hooked to.
I doubt there would be any sell-on value @coolredwine , let alone 30 mill.
A question for the pro Roo brigade, if we could buy a player that offers what Rooney does, how much would you be prepared to pay in fee and wages?
A question for the pro Roo brigade, if we could buy a player that offers what Rooney does, how much would you be prepared to pay in fee and wages?
If he was willing to be this squads Teddy Sherringham then fine, but the wages he is on and his ego will force us to play him all of the time, and that is detrimental to the side as he's well past his best.
honestly. I'm not bothered about the money side. If a player can do the job for us and the club can afford him.go for it.
I think Rooney's future will be decided by Jose very fast after he gets in. If the manager can see to getting the best out of him in whatever role he sees, than he will be here.
Yeah, it was just a random figure I threw in looking at the prices any random tom, dick and harry player goes for today. But the way we can use that 300k/week wage is
Sanchez is not a striker though. That's first. Second, his season was disrupted by the injury he got in November. Obviously, he struggled after the injury and needed two months to score. To say that he was on a barren run from October to March is highly misleading, given that he injured himself only a month after his last league goal in 2015 and then was out till the end of January when he was rushed back due to Arsenal's injury woes.
Not sure what you mean by the last two sentences. Falcao can be of some use? He can, at some less ambitious team, surely.
when was this?He has been effective there verm