That equations doesn't work, as Fabregas never played for United. I couldn't give a toss about Arsenal players being targeted by Spanish clubs.
Bothers me when it happened to United players, mind you. For obvious reasons.
The hate for Real Madrid
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That equations doesn't work, as Fabregas never played for United. I couldn't give a toss about Arsenal players being targeted by Spanish clubs.
Bothers me when it happened to United players, mind you. For obvious reasons.
This is all for me. I can't care about how they got their money, Franco or whatever, I don't think it defines the club (the people behind etc). However, their generosity shown towards us after Munich does show me what their club is made of.
Actually it does. Or it should. Having been on the end of similar tactics from Madrid, you should absolutely have a problem with Barca doing precisely the same thing.
I couldn't give a shit about either of them. They are as bad as each other as far as I am concerned. It just seems rather hypocritical of you to bash Madrid while giving Barca a free pass for doing the same thing.
Last post before I border. I agree with this. Perez and Laporta/Rosell are not their clubs. Fair play to Madrid who helped us.
Fabregas <> Ronaldo. Fabregas is their player and he was stolen from them (That's how they felt). I don't recall them doing the same thing with somebody else.
My issues isn't with the tactics. I'd say United have their own skeletons in the closet when it comes to un-settling players at other clubs (Bebatov?) Nobody is whiter than white.
I just dislike Madrid on the basis that they did it to one of our players. In the same way that I know a lot of Spurs fans resent us and Arsenal fans now loathe Barca. It's not a moral judgement I'm making. They pissed me off in the past and I've no reason to stop being pissed off at them since.
Didn't Fergie once imply they did the same thing to Ruud too? He obviously dislikes them intensely anyway ("that mob"). That's another good reason, right there.
Who else have Real done it to?
I have no idea.
They also seem to have this tactic of persuading players to run down their contracts to avoid paying the market transfer fee, see Ozil, Khedira and Sahin.
Kaka, Tried it with Villa too but didn't succeed.
Edit: Currently trying it with Neymar too.
I don't think they think he was stolen. They do it with countless of players themselves. Messi wasn't exactly bought for. His family was. He's a homegrown player but yet he's from Argentina.
Fabregas chose to go. If Fabregas wouldn't have wanted to go he wouldn't have gone. Same with Romeu and the two players Arsenal got from Barcelona this summer.
Barcelona has got such a huge talent pool of young players that they don't show every one of them any special attention. Other clubs do and they will get to play a bit of first team football within a year. That's more special than what they would get at Barcelona were the first team squad isn't exactly going anywhere with the recent purchase of Fabregas or Sanchez.
The players leaving is simply a sing of them not taking good enough care for them. It happens a lot with Madrid too because these two clubs are overflowing with youngster. It's their own damn fault.
Laporta or whoever promising to sign Beckham if elected president in '03
Real were City and Chelsea of the 50s. Not much to like about them to be fair....unless you've got an.erection for Ronaldo that is.
Iniesta was stolen by them then in this regard. It still doesn't make their actions right.
I'm not taking sides here, I just think Fabregas meant more to them than just a quality player.. They felt he belongs to them, same with Cesc.
Anyway, to add to that list of players, I also hated the way they got Benzema.
Anyway, to add to that list of players, I also hated the way they got Benzema.
They play very good football and win trophies. Same as Barca. That's why most people like teams. At least people that weren't born in countries that don't have big leagues i.e. most people.
So you've no preference for either club then?
I didn't realise you were a fan. But yeah, the point stands, the Chelsea and City of the 50s, in fact they were worse...but all has been forgotten because they've won a lot of trophies. I suspect we'll have people arguing the same for Man City 40 years from now... probably on Redcafe.net.
How would you know that.. Are you really that old??
He said not much to like about them unless you've got an erection for Ronaldo. That implies there isn't much to like about them now, not just 60 years ago.
I used to watch Real Madrid games because of Raúl but since he went to Schalke I'm not bothered anymore. I do watch 1-3 La Liga games every weekend because it's good football at the end of the day. Just like I watch Bolton-Stoke and Wolves-Wigan.
Aww...shucks.
You don't have to take everything literally. Sometimes, just sometimes, hyperbole can be used to emphasis a point.
My answer wasn't to do with the 50's. Just the football now and how usually people choose the team to follow.
Dont really care for either of them. Spanish league bores me to be honest
Yea you're right. Fair point then.
Same here these days. If I watch a La Liga game I will always root for the team playing against Real and Barca. But then Real and Barca generally win.
Zzzzz
Not just win, generally by about 5 goals.
Clearly that's how the world works, based on the fact that most of Britain loved United when we had the class of 92 in our team.... oh wait...
There are things that make me hate both teams tbh.My preference goes to Barca only because they generally play a great brand of football even if I agree admit that this season Real Madrid are more entertaining
Taking advantage of a contractual situation, how immoral of them...You must be outraged when you signed Sol Campbell...
You obviously haven't been betting on Barca/Real this season.
Chamakh too...
You must be outraged when you signed Sol Campbell...
that didnt work out too well tho
And Squillacci.
Which also didn't work out too well.
Is he still at Arsenal?
Which also didn't work out too well.
Is he still at Arsenal?
Three in a year looks like a concerted policy rather than a stroke of luck.
You must be outraged when you signed Sol Campbell...
The German-Turkish mob.
I don't like Barcelona because they beat us twice in Champs League finals. Maybe it makes me bitter, but that's the way it is. And also because their fans act like they are the mannah from heaven. At least the Madrid gobshites don't brag that they are solving Tanzania's famines.
If Madrid beat us god forbid, I'll hate Madrid. In the end, I wanted Barcelona to win at the weekend, so that they'll keep close to Madrid and place a strain on each other not to rest their teams even for a week. Maybe it'll give us a chance in the European matches.
If Madrid beat us god forbid, I'll hate Madrid. In the end, I wanted Barcelona to win at the weekend, so that they'll keep close to Madrid and place a strain on each other not to rest their teams even for a week. Maybe it'll give us a chance in the European matches.
Found a great article on the subject:
Time When Real Madrid Were Our True Friends
On a spring day in 1956, the manager of Manchester United travelled to Spain with the aim of watching a game of football involving Real Madrid and what Matt Busby saw that day in the Spanish capital would shape the future of English football.
These were the days before English involvement in the newly-established European Cup competition, a stance that dismayed and frustrated Busby, a pioneering visionary whose attitude had always been that ‘challenges should be met, not avoided.'
On his return to Old Trafford, Busby could not contain his excitement and enthusiasm. Relaying his experience in Madrid, he told the United players: ‘Boys,' he said, ‘they're playing a different game over there on the continent. We've got to get involved.'
Twelve years later, on a balmy spring night at Wembley Stadium, Busby finally fulfilled the lofty ambition that had cemented in his mind during that mid-season trip to Spain. Under his leadership, Manchester United had indeed ‘got involved'. By defeating Benfica 4-1 at Wembley in 1968, they had installed themselves as champions of Europe.
The story of the club's ascent was both poignant and remarkable, interrupted as it was by the trauma of the Munich air crash in 1958. And the name of Real Madrid, the team that so impressed Busby two years earlier, would crop up time and time again along the way.
When Manchester United were crowned champions in 1955-56, it offered the ambitious Busby an opportunity. Defying an edict issued by the football authorities, the Scot persuaded the directors at Old Trafford to accept the invitation to participate in the European Cup the following season.
Their first, ground-breaking campaign, the first by an English club, ended at the semi-final stage, when Busby's youngsters crashed against the juggernaut of Real Madrid, the Cup holders, average age 28, whose ranks included Ferenc Puskas and Alfredo di Stefano. The ‘Busby Babes', average age 21, lost 5-3 on aggregate. Afterwards, the Manchester United manager told reporters: ‘It was a contest between two great teams – a mature side and a young side, and, of course, experience told. But our time will come.'
Then, the following February, when Manchester was plunged into mourning following the fatal crash in Munich, Real unhesitatingly held out the hand of friendship, as Busby would later recall: ‘As the city grieved, one or two things were comforting. Real Madrid offered us all a free holiday in Spain, to help us recover. I think one or two of the fellows took them up on this.'
Part of the post-Munich recovery strategy devised by Busby was to keep the club, however weakened it had been by the loss of life, in the limelight. Though unable to earn entry into the European Cup, a competition then restricted to national champions, Busby arranged to play a number of high-profile friendlies. The opposition? Real Madrid, of course.
At the time Real Madrid commanded a £12,000 fee for friendly, an enormous sum at the time. ‘I said the crash had ruined us financially as well as physically,' Busby recalled. ‘Real came at less than half price.' The match was played at a packed Old Trafford. ‘They walloped us 6-1,' Busby wrote. ‘In doing so, they confirmed what I knew – that we had a long, long way to go to close the gap.'
Gradually, over the years that followed, United did just that. After one near miss in 1965-66, when they lost in the semi-finals of the European Cup, United qualified for another crack at Europe's greatest prize two seasons later. And who should they be drawn against at the semi-final stage? It was Real Madrid again. Bobby Charlton takes up the story. ‘We beat them 1-0 at Old Trafford, but when we went to back to Spain we were 3-1 down at half-time. The world seemed to be collapsing around us. But English teams always keep going and somehow we got back to 3-3 to reach the final. That was the most dramatic game I ever played in.'
The game had turned on the intervention of Busby during the interval, as striker Brian Kidd recalled: ‘Sir Matt was fabulous that night. I never saw him lose his cool in the dressing room. He never swore. Matt cooled everything down. There was this impressive calmness abut him. He wasn't panicking, so why should we?'
Tactically, Busby made significant change, instructing David Sadler to forget his defensive duties and pile forward. ‘That might surprise them,' Busby said. And so it proved, with Sadler popping up with the vital goal that levelled the scores on aggregate.
In the final at Wembley, Manchester United defeated Benfica 4-1 after extra-time, a result that left Busby in tears. ‘The players have done us all proud,' he told reporters. ‘After Munich, they came back with all their hearts to show everyone what Manchester United are made of. This is the most wonderful thing that has happened in my life, and I am the proudest man in England. The European Cup has been the ambition of everyone at the club, and now we have it, at last.'
It was a time when Manchester United had a relationship with Real Madrid,one borne out of true respect for one another.Back then it was unheard of to arrange holidays for an entire team,it was impossible to hold friendlies with the big european teams as well,mainly because of the exorbitant fees required to manage the whole affair.
The friendlies and the holidays were a true show of friendship.There was also a noble gesture from Ferenc Puskas,as he offered to play for United,funnily enough he still needed the wages which was impossible to produce with the team in shambles.There was also a gesture on part of Madrid,as they offered to give the great Alfredo Di Stefano to us on loan for a season.
Those were the days of a classy Madrid.One that would make any Blanco fan proud to support his or her team.
Real Madrid was Honour, Dignity, Class and a fantastic football side.
Shame how low theyve sunk since those days
Time When Real Madrid Were Our True Friends
On a spring day in 1956, the manager of Manchester United travelled to Spain with the aim of watching a game of football involving Real Madrid and what Matt Busby saw that day in the Spanish capital would shape the future of English football.
These were the days before English involvement in the newly-established European Cup competition, a stance that dismayed and frustrated Busby, a pioneering visionary whose attitude had always been that ‘challenges should be met, not avoided.'
On his return to Old Trafford, Busby could not contain his excitement and enthusiasm. Relaying his experience in Madrid, he told the United players: ‘Boys,' he said, ‘they're playing a different game over there on the continent. We've got to get involved.'
Twelve years later, on a balmy spring night at Wembley Stadium, Busby finally fulfilled the lofty ambition that had cemented in his mind during that mid-season trip to Spain. Under his leadership, Manchester United had indeed ‘got involved'. By defeating Benfica 4-1 at Wembley in 1968, they had installed themselves as champions of Europe.
The story of the club's ascent was both poignant and remarkable, interrupted as it was by the trauma of the Munich air crash in 1958. And the name of Real Madrid, the team that so impressed Busby two years earlier, would crop up time and time again along the way.
When Manchester United were crowned champions in 1955-56, it offered the ambitious Busby an opportunity. Defying an edict issued by the football authorities, the Scot persuaded the directors at Old Trafford to accept the invitation to participate in the European Cup the following season.
Their first, ground-breaking campaign, the first by an English club, ended at the semi-final stage, when Busby's youngsters crashed against the juggernaut of Real Madrid, the Cup holders, average age 28, whose ranks included Ferenc Puskas and Alfredo di Stefano. The ‘Busby Babes', average age 21, lost 5-3 on aggregate. Afterwards, the Manchester United manager told reporters: ‘It was a contest between two great teams – a mature side and a young side, and, of course, experience told. But our time will come.'
Then, the following February, when Manchester was plunged into mourning following the fatal crash in Munich, Real unhesitatingly held out the hand of friendship, as Busby would later recall: ‘As the city grieved, one or two things were comforting. Real Madrid offered us all a free holiday in Spain, to help us recover. I think one or two of the fellows took them up on this.'
Part of the post-Munich recovery strategy devised by Busby was to keep the club, however weakened it had been by the loss of life, in the limelight. Though unable to earn entry into the European Cup, a competition then restricted to national champions, Busby arranged to play a number of high-profile friendlies. The opposition? Real Madrid, of course.
At the time Real Madrid commanded a £12,000 fee for friendly, an enormous sum at the time. ‘I said the crash had ruined us financially as well as physically,' Busby recalled. ‘Real came at less than half price.' The match was played at a packed Old Trafford. ‘They walloped us 6-1,' Busby wrote. ‘In doing so, they confirmed what I knew – that we had a long, long way to go to close the gap.'
Gradually, over the years that followed, United did just that. After one near miss in 1965-66, when they lost in the semi-finals of the European Cup, United qualified for another crack at Europe's greatest prize two seasons later. And who should they be drawn against at the semi-final stage? It was Real Madrid again. Bobby Charlton takes up the story. ‘We beat them 1-0 at Old Trafford, but when we went to back to Spain we were 3-1 down at half-time. The world seemed to be collapsing around us. But English teams always keep going and somehow we got back to 3-3 to reach the final. That was the most dramatic game I ever played in.'
The game had turned on the intervention of Busby during the interval, as striker Brian Kidd recalled: ‘Sir Matt was fabulous that night. I never saw him lose his cool in the dressing room. He never swore. Matt cooled everything down. There was this impressive calmness abut him. He wasn't panicking, so why should we?'
Tactically, Busby made significant change, instructing David Sadler to forget his defensive duties and pile forward. ‘That might surprise them,' Busby said. And so it proved, with Sadler popping up with the vital goal that levelled the scores on aggregate.
In the final at Wembley, Manchester United defeated Benfica 4-1 after extra-time, a result that left Busby in tears. ‘The players have done us all proud,' he told reporters. ‘After Munich, they came back with all their hearts to show everyone what Manchester United are made of. This is the most wonderful thing that has happened in my life, and I am the proudest man in England. The European Cup has been the ambition of everyone at the club, and now we have it, at last.'
It was a time when Manchester United had a relationship with Real Madrid,one borne out of true respect for one another.Back then it was unheard of to arrange holidays for an entire team,it was impossible to hold friendlies with the big european teams as well,mainly because of the exorbitant fees required to manage the whole affair.
The friendlies and the holidays were a true show of friendship.There was also a noble gesture from Ferenc Puskas,as he offered to play for United,funnily enough he still needed the wages which was impossible to produce with the team in shambles.There was also a gesture on part of Madrid,as they offered to give the great Alfredo Di Stefano to us on loan for a season.
Those were the days of a classy Madrid.One that would make any Blanco fan proud to support his or her team.
Real Madrid was Honour, Dignity, Class and a fantastic football side.
Shame how low theyve sunk since those days
We paid money for him, he doesn't even have the decency to be injured quite as frequently as Silvestre.
Can i join your club. Used to hate Real Madrid, despise them actually.
Now it's just a whole load of meh. Both as bad as each other.
I've never had a strong feeling for Madrid either way, but over the years I've enjoyed hearing about the chaotic way they run things behind the scenes, in much the same way I liked watching Newcastle a few years back - always funny to see a big club managing to feck things up, and that's how it looked when the Galacticos were there and they fired Del Bosque and all the rest of it.
I'm only annoyed by Real Madrid when it turns out all the best players in the world want to join this circus, but to me that's more a "Erm, Why?" directed at the players who go there when it's plainly not the best thing for their careers.
I'm only annoyed by Real Madrid when it turns out all the best players in the world want to join this circus, but to me that's more a "Erm, Why?" directed at the players who go there when it's plainly not the best thing for their careers.