It's amusing considering their whole thing is based on people deserving a second chance to vote.
Obviously that doesn't apply when it impacts themselves directly. Hypocrits, they want others to put their seats at risk but won't themselves.
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It's amusing considering their whole thing is based on people deserving a second chance to vote.
Obviously that doesn't apply when it impacts themselves directly. Hypocrits, they want others to put their seats at risk but won't themselves.
This works both ways though. People who are adamant that we as a country shouldn't get a second vote on Brexit are demanding a by election on these MPs.
By the same token, the demands of Momentum et al. that people that don't share Corbyn's views should feck off can't really complain now seven of them have fecked off.
The timing is hugely unhelpful, but I'd rather have 7 pro-EU MPs in Parliament over the next month than risk them losing their seats to the Tories.
Corbyn needs to listen to the members. Luckily they don't.
I guess it was inevitable this would happen eventually. As someone who recently left the Labour Party, I sympathise with the MPs who've decided to leave, but the timing is far from ideal.
The politics of this country has rarely been so depressing.
The politics of this country has rarely been so depressing.
For comparison's sake, can you or any of the older posters remember a time where both main parties were so inept?
Surprised by how negative the reaction has been so far, it's been clearly very inhospitable in the Labour party recently for people not following the Corbyn agenda, so it makes sense they are leaving. I expected them to join the Lib Dems, but this is fine too. Overall I like their platform even though I disagree with them on Brexit. Although I imagine if you wanted to see Labour become more anti-Brexit this might not be the best thing.
Imagine if these independents call by-elections and then Corbyn comes out in support of a people’s vote. Bye bye magnificent 7 
touche. I just meant that their general principles of a mixed economy is good. Chuka is probably looking at Macron and thinking he could do something similar.I can’t remember both main parties being so unfit for purpose at the same time. In terms of governments, John Major’s was the worst I could remember but Major himself had some integrity and, in retrospect, his cabinet looks like the dream team compared to clowns like Williamson, Grayling, Fox, Leadsom etc etc etc...As for the opposition, the Conservative opposition from 97 up to Cameron becoming leader was largely ineffective although they did at least have the excuse of being up against Tony Blair rather than the Maybot.
It’s truly depressing although I doubt Chuka’s Magnificent Seven is going to kick start the much needed realignment of these two dinosaur parties.
"Poltics has never been so depressing" really is the political equivalent of moaning about Paul Pogba haircut.
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Then, Thatcher. Now, May.
Then, Benn. Now, Corbyn.
Then, Jenkins. Now, Umunna.
Left, right or anywhere else you look, the calibre of politicians these days is just atrocious.
Then, Benn. Now, Corbyn.
Then, Jenkins. Now, Umunna.
Left, right or anywhere else you look, the calibre of politicians these days is just atrocious.
Angela Smith talks about people who are a "funny tinge"
The party is off to an absolute flyer.
Politics as never been more alive.
OH MY GOD.
Not at the same time. Unfortunately both leaders are the worst leaders of their parties since the war and both happen to be opposing each other at the same time. Not talking policies here.
The two very different things.
The MPs were elected based partly on their party affiliation and a set of policies. The former has obvioualy change and i assume their policies will also. On that basis the by-election is justified
No. Not at all. I am 68 and have seen some awful politicians but when our country really needs strong leaders, we have ended up with this disgraceful shambles.
It is absolutely appalling and the big problem is that this will put huge numbers of people against voting on the very simple basis that none of the parties represent their views.
I will never vote for Labour again until Corbyn and his extremist thugs are kicked out.
Doubt very much that will happen.
Out of the policies that he put forward in the last election.Which one was the most Extreme.
He is simply a puppet leader put there by Momentum but that will backfire because while he is leader Labour will not win an election.
I am not ignoring your question and I will consider it.
Brexit.
The policies around Brexit are changing on an almost daily fecking basis!
But that's the exact problem with the referendum result, too. The referendum was won based upon promises, lies, and deceit and the Brexit we will get does not resemble what anyone voted for. If a by-election is justified because the landscape has significantly changed and new facts have emerged then the same is true, if not more true, for Brexit.
What about Brexit.
Have you forgotten your own question?
Twitter has predictably gone fecking bananas about this but it’s nothing more than someone stumbling over their words on live television. Fecking hell. Burn her at the stake, right?
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This interpretation doesn't seem entirely fair. It's blatantly not just about someone stumbling over their words, but the words that happened to come out of their mouth as they were stumbling over them. There's no need to make it into more than it is, but nor is there any need to make it into nothing.
Read it again, Brexit was very much in the Labour party manifesto.
Extremist thugs? Flair for the dramatic?
Not really - leaving the EU is a truly game-changing event and our representatives in parliament look wholly inadequate to deal with the seriousness of the situation. At a time when imagination, courage and open-mindedness are badly needed, we have two party leaders who are parochial, lacking intellectual curiosity and substance, deeply tribal and unwilling to confide beyond a narrow inner circle.
Forget the last election policies because we all know they mean nothing.
More importantly, he is ignoring the policies of the last party conference regarding Brexit.
Just to mention one - Labour will campaign for a 'People's Vote'.
When was the last time he campaigned for this?
Yes it was .But it was hardly extreme . It was the formula answer to a Brexit defeat .No one knew back then what a mess it would become.
Kinnock and major?
Hopefully these 7 will stand in by-elections ASAP on their own pledges...because right now they're MPs elected as a part of Labour, with a manifesto written by a leadership they hate
Call for by-elections
Call for by-elections