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USDevil said:
UFC 87 (9 August)
Roger Huerta vs. Kenny Florian

In Huerta's hometown no less. Huerta's the shit. Lesner is on the card as well.
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Huerta and Florian should be a great fight.

I´d expect Lesner to crush Coleman to be honest. Coleman´s bjj is nothing compared to Frank Mir. Lesner won´t get caught in a manoevre like the Mir one quite so easily. I´d expect Lesner to take him down early with his wrestling skills and crush him with some ground and pound.
 
UFC 84 tonight..

BJ Penn v Sean Sherk

Keith Jardine v Wanderlei Silva

Wilson Gouveia v Goran Reljic

Tito Ortiz v Lyota Machida

Thiago Silva v Antonio Mendes

Rameau Sokoudjou v Kazuhiro Nakamura


Personally, I cannot wait for the Ortiz Machida fight. I'd predict Penn, Machida and Silva to win the big three fights. But sure the UFC is so unpredictable, it could as easily be the opposite way around.
 
Name Changed said:
Huerta and Florian should be a great fight.

I´d expect Lesner to crush Coleman to be honest. Coleman´s bjj is nothing compared to Frank Mir. Lesner won´t get caught in a manoevre like the Mir one quite so easily. I´d expect Lesner to take him down early with his wrestling skills and crush him with some ground and pound.
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Coleman blew out his MCL. Rumour is that they have replaced him with Heath Herring.
 
RedCanadian said:
Coleman blew out his MCL. Rumour is that they have replaced him with Heath Herring.
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That would be more interesting. I can't see Herring living with Lesner though. And Herring hasn't got a huge array of BJJ either. Herring was great in his last fight though.
 
Name Changed said:
UFC 84 tonight..

BJ Penn v Sean Sherk

Keith Jardine v Wanderlei Silva

Wilson Gouveia v Goran Reljic

Tito Ortiz v Lyota Machida

Thiago Silva v Antonio Mendes

Rameau Sokoudjou v Kazuhiro Nakamura


Personally, I cannot wait for the Ortiz Machida fight. I'd predict Penn, Machida and Silva to win the big three fights. But sure the UFC is so unpredictable, it could as easily be the opposite way around.
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100% correct. Well played. :D

Good card. The final round of Machida-Ortiz was fascinating, and it was great to see Silva destroy Jardine. Very pissed off that Sherk got beat but it was always likely.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
100% correct. Well played. :D

Good card. The final round of Machida-Ortiz was fascinating, and it was great to see Silva destroy Jardine. Very pissed off that Sherk got beat but it was always likely.
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I was suprised at his strategy. Only once did he try and take BJ down. Strange. Strange finish also. But BJ certainly deserved it. He won all three rounds.
 
RedCanadian said:
The Axe Murderer has returned!!!!
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He was brilliant. He still looks small though? He talks about dropping to middleweight, would that suit him more? I can't see him beating Chuck or Rampage.

Wanderlei v Anderson Silva would be a brilliant fight.
 
Name Changed said:
He was brilliant. He still looks small though? He talks about dropping to middleweight, would that suit him more? I can't see him beating Chuck or Rampage.
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He only talks about dropping down when asked about it. He has said quite a few times that the weight cut would be too difficult.

I think he would KTFO Rampage for a 3rd time if they fought. If he fought with all of his aggressiveness against Chuck he would have a better shot. In their first fight, Chuck kept him at bay with his reach (a great game plan mind you) and then LNP near the end.
 
wicked event..... bj's performance was brilliant, very controlled and relaxed.
alves fight was good too, but i thought the guy bottled it and tapped pretty early.
that machida is good man... that's the first time i've seen him fight... i was suprised by tito's attempted triangle... he almost had it too.. he should have stuck with it instead of trying to roll to an arm bar
 
EspadaYdaga said:
that machida is good man... that's the first time i've seen him fight... i was suprised by tito's attempted triangle... he almost had it too.. he should have stuck with it instead of trying to roll to an arm bar
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Machida just gets better and better. He's got a unique style, has amazing reflexes and is unbelievably light on his feet - almost impossible to hit. Must be a nightmare to fight against.

I don't think Ortiz did roll for an arm bar, it was Machida who rolled out of the triangle (and into an arm bar).
 
ortiz said himself post fight that he thought he should have stuck with the triangle instead of going to an arm bar.... it was probably a bit of both... machida rolling and tito trying to transition to an armbar
 
EspadaYdaga said:
wicked event..... bj's performance was brilliant, very controlled and relaxed.
alves fight was good too, but i thought the guy bottled it and tapped pretty early.
that machida is good man... that's the first time i've seen him fight... i was suprised by tito's attempted triangle... he almost had it too.. he should have stuck with it instead of trying to roll to an arm bar
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Thiago Silva?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Machida just gets better and better. He's got a unique style, has amazing reflexes and is unbelievably light on his feet - almost impossible to hit. Must be a nightmare to fight against.

I don't think Ortiz did roll for an arm bar, it was Machida who rolled out of the triangle (and into an arm bar).
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Ortiz was complaining about Machida "running". I don't think he was at all. His gameplan was perfert. Kept out of the clench and just picked Tito off with good jabs from different angles. He must be really frustrating to fight. His is unbeaten so far and seems to be improving with every fight. He cannot be far off a title shot.
 
Name Changed said:
Ortiz was complaining about Machida "running". I don't think he was at all. His gameplan was perfert. Kept out of the clench and just picked Tito off with good jabs from different angles. He must be really frustrating to fight. His is unbeaten so far and seems to be improving with every fight. He cannot be far off a title shot.
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I love watching him fight. It's like a throw back to the original UFC, when you saw karate experts up against boxers.

Nowadays they all seem to train in muay thai kick-boxing/wrestling/BJJ, gladdens the heart to see a bit of good old-fashioned karate in the mix!
 
RedCanadian said:
Kimbo fought tonight, lost the first 2 rounds, was starting to land some heavy shots that were rocking Thompson and then the ref jumped in..... very dubious if you ask me....
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How was it dubious? Thompson couldn't even defend the headshots, he was in the clouds. If the ref had let it run there could have been a major injury.

Thought Kimbo did well, first fight he'd had on the floor...obviously looked like a rookie but Bas has obviously been training him well.

Kimbo would be a good fighter if he wasn't soooo slow.
 
benst86 said:
How was it dubious? Thompson couldn't even defend the headshots, he was in the clouds. If the ref had let it run there could have been a major injury.

Thought Kimbo did well, first fight he'd had on the floor...obviously looked like a rookie but Bas has obviously been training him well.

Kimbo would be a good fighter if he wasn't soooo slow.
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He had been been rocked badly in both the 1st and 2nd round, the one in the first was worse, and he survived by taking Kimbo down and beating on him. He never got a chance in the 3rd. It was stopped way too early.

I think Kimbo would have ended up knocking him out anyway, but the fact is that Miragliotta stopped it after Thompson got hit by 3 punches and was still on his feet with his hands partially in a guard, which is considered to by basically every fighting org on the planet to be intelligently defending himself, which is the deciding factor when making that decision. Bad stoppage...
 
Slice demonstrated one thing and one thing only. People who train can kick the crap out of people that don't. Slice was horrible. If he had been fighting anyone with any skill and awareness of what was happening he would have been destroyed. Why fat head Colossus didn't try and take him to the ground again is beyond me. Slice had no cardio and no ground game. He got utterly pounded in the second round and was luck it didn't get called because he wasn't able to defend himself. Slice can take a punch and can give one but he has no tactical awareness. Wait until his next fight, he'll get submitted or KO'd from a ground and pound.
 
Missed the Kimbo fight ... tuned in later on during the chick fight. Is Dana planning on bringing him into the UFC?

Bisping fighting again in a week. When do you think he's going to get a shot at Silva for the title? I don't think his Light Heavy defeat to Evans should affect him.

As for the Heavyweights ... Nothing looking good until UFC 87 with Kongo fighting. That dude is a monster.
 
UFC needs to put some good fights on free tv again or it's going to go the way of professional boxing. I'm not dropping $50 for most of these fights. There just haven't been enough to attract my attention. One big bout with 5 no names = not worth the cash.
 
Cali Red said:
UFC needs to put some good fights on free tv again or it's going to go the way of professional boxing. I'm not dropping $50 for most of these fights. There just haven't been enough to attract my attention. One big bout with 5 no names = not worth the cash.
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The last PPV was stacked though, but on the whole I agree with you.
 
Cali Red said:
UFC needs to put some good fights on free tv again or it's going to go the way of professional boxing. I'm not dropping $50 for most of these fights. There just haven't been enough to attract my attention. One big bout with 5 no names = not worth the cash.
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I'm not sure if I would pay for a PPV unless it was stacked. Luckily we get it over here on Bravo for free the following night. I just refrain from looking at any spoilers.
 
Name Changed said:
I'm not sure if I would pay for a PPV unless it was stacked. Luckily we get it over here on Bravo for free the following night. I just refrain from looking at any spoilers.
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Setanta had a show on live, not so long ago.

But yeah, I'm usually a Sunday evening "almost live" viewer too ;)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Setanta had a show on live, not so long ago.

But yeah, I'm usually a Sunday evening "almost live" viewer too ;)
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I paid for that one because Cro Cop was fighting and he is my favourite fighter. I wouldn't been too keen on paying for this Saturdays ppv for example, expecially with the main event being Hughes v Alves.
 
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I paid for that one because Cro Cop was fighting and he is my favourite fighter. I wouldn't been too keen on paying for this Saturdays ppv for example, expecially with the main event being Hughes v Alves.
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Was Setanta really PPV?

I can't even remember ordering it. Mind you, I didn't know it was on Setanta until I got back from the pub and turned on the telly. Must have authorised payment while bladdered.

I guess that's the risk you take when operating a set-top box, if you're under the influence.
 
if you've got virgin media sports package, setanta comes with it.
they started showing it automatically last year after they fell out with sky over how much sky wanted from virgin to include sky1.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Was Setanta really PPV?

I can't even remember ordering it. Mind you, I didn't know it was on Setanta until I got back from the pub and turned on the telly. Must have authorised payment while bladdered.

I guess that's the risk you take when operating a set-top box, if you're under the influence.
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I don't know, maybe I'm getting mixed up. I know the one I paid for was on in England and Cro Cop was in the main even. It was possibly the Gonzaga fight where he got his ass handed to him on a plate. Actually, I'm pretty sure it was Setanta.
 
Name Changed said:
I don't know, maybe I'm getting mixed up. I know the one I paid for was on in England and Cro Cop was in the main even. It was possibly the Gonzaga fight where he got his ass handed to him on a plate. Actually, I'm pretty sure it was Setanta.
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All a bit of a drunken blur to me, if I'm honest.

Although I do remember Cro Cop's knee bending a direction that God never intended. That's a memory which stayed with me. Unlike the rest of the evening ;)
 
Cali Red said:
Slice demonstrated one thing and one thing only. People who train can kick the crap out of people that don't. Slice was horrible. If he had been fighting anyone with any skill and awareness of what was happening he would have been destroyed.
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Bas Rutten has been training him for the past 18 months or so...

Rutten has obviously been given a hell of a lot money to do it, but I think he'll turn him into a decent fighter.
 
benst86 said:
How was it dubious? Thompson couldn't even defend the headshots, he was in the clouds. If the ref had let it run there could have been a major injury.

Thought Kimbo did well, first fight he'd had on the floor...obviously looked like a rookie but Bas has obviously been training him well.

Kimbo would be a good fighter if he wasn't soooo slow.
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Kimbo was terrible.

The fight should have been stopped in the second round as Thomson delivered 20 or more elbows & punches while Kimbo wasn't even defending himself. If Thomson had better cardio he could/should have finished him.

The stoppage was premature as well. Thomson was still on his feet with his hands up.

Kimbo couldn't knock out a goof with a glass jaw.

Dare I say that the fight was fixed? maybe not the fight but the result sure was.

Kimbo right now would get killed by any top 20 heavyweight from the UFC, probably light heavyweights as well.
 
benst86 said:
Bas Rutten has been training him for the past 18 months or so...

Rutten has obviously been given a hell of a lot money to do it, but I think he'll turn him into a decent fighter.
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I wouldn't argue with that but the hype was way beond the ability at this point. He was an internet phenom that was extremely lucky he was fighting a fool. Had Thompson had any awareness at all after that second round he would have taken Slice right to the ground. Slice was dominated in the ground game and his fitness was very poor.
 
Cali Red said:
I wouldn't argue with that but the hype was way beond the ability at this point. He was an internet phenom that was extremely lucky he was fighting a fool. Had Thompson had any awareness at all after that second round he would have taken Slice right to the ground. Slice was dominated in the ground game and his fitness was very poor.
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But that's what boxing/UFC is - hype and reputation. The intention will be to get Kimbo some average to poor fighters for the next year or so, in the hope that Rutten can mould him into a semi-decent fighter. They'll then get him up against a massive fighter, give them both a massive payoff and whatever MMA network will make a killing in PPV sales.

Or.....get some feud going between Rutten and Kimbo and schedule a "master v pupil" matchup in the UFC. Imagine the PPV sales! :lol:
 
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