The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Glorio said:
Is that what happened? I just thought he didn't know where he was
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It looked that way at the time, but I haven't watched it back. His arms come out as he turns to the ref, and he's completely unaware when Zhang puts him out as if he's expecting the ref to step in. Might just be confusion from the initial punch, but seemed like he was complaining about something.
 
Fair play for the win but I’d be concerned about Dubois versus Joshua with the amount of straight punches he ate against Hrgovic.

He’s very front on, i’m not sure why it’s not been picked up by his various trainers.
 
Impressed by Dubious' toughness in that fight, it was probably the most impressive thing for me. We know he's a well built strong lump that can punch a bit so the fact he's dangerous and can finish isn't a surprise, even though he looks a bit stiff and clumsy early in fights.

But the ability to absorb punches is not something he's always displayed but seems to have really found a new mentality in the ring recently. He even got rocked by some African journeyman at some point so really surprised at his ability to eat clean punches off a good fighter. Wouldn't like to see that chin tested against the likes of Joshua if I was his trainer so he'll need to be a lot more switched on defensively.
 
Hrgović had a fever which took him 3 weeks out of training so he wasnt 100 percent fit. That's why his leg work wasnt good and his whole match. He won first few rounds but when Dubois saw the cut he went for the kill so to speak and Hrgović got a proper beating. He's been waiting for this fight for a long while so its a question how he will come out of this.
 
Raoul said:
Wilder is done. A shell of his former self.
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Personally convinced he’d have gotten the same treatment from Parker & Zhang even during his apparent “prime”, he was simply never a good boxer and was bizarrely hyped way beyond what his record deserved.
The second he started getting into the ring with anyone decent he’s been caught well short. Ruiz would’ve absolutely battered him too.
His best fight by far was the first against Fury, a man who’d been semi retired for 3 years.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Personally convinced he’d have gotten the same treatment from Parker & Zhang even during his apparent “prime”, he was simply never a good boxer and was bizarrely hyped way beyond what his record deserved.
The second he started getting into the ring with anyone decent he’s been caught well short. Ruiz would’ve absolutely battered him too.
His best fight by far was the first against Fury, a man who’d been semi retired for 3 years.
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He’s never had much skill but he did have killer instinct and very heavy hands. There’s a good chance they all beat him even at his best but he did have the ability to end any fight with a single shot so you never know.

Once someone who relies on single punches goes gun shy though, it’s time to call it a day.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Personally convinced he’d have gotten the same treatment from Parker & Zhang even during his apparent “prime”, he was simply never a good boxer and was bizarrely hyped way beyond what his record deserved.
The second he started getting into the ring with anyone decent he’s been caught well short. Ruiz would’ve absolutely battered him too.
His best fight by far was the first against Fury, a man who’d been semi retired for 3 years.
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Same. Probably up there with the most overrated HWs in history let's be honest. The only decent wins on his resume are Luis Ortiz. Everyone else is / was trash.

His trilogy with Fury was entertaining but in reality he was dominated in every fight outside of the knockdowns, barely won a round in any of them when he didn't put Fury on the canvas.
 
Dubois against AJ should be a great fight and I think I would lean towards Dubois
 
Think AJ would spark Dubois out. It's funny. AJ has gone from nothing to something again within the space of a few months. Just shows how fickle boxing can be and how because we were bereft of the big fantasy fights, most of the discussion has been based on those possible fantasy fights around who's the best.
 
Ennis-Crowley off due to a lingering eye problem for the latter.

Hopefully Matchroom manage to keep the show on - 5.5 weeks notice should usually give you enough time to find an opponent, but it's not like people were queuing up to fight Boots beforehand.

IBF top 15 is pretty sparce for options - best guess is Alexis Rocha, Gabriel Valenzuela or David Avanesyan.
 
pocco said:
Dubois is B or C level at best. Now that AJ has a bit of confidence and is less gun shy, he should beat him comfortably. Dubois doesn't have the nous to exploit him, but obviously always has a punchers chance.
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Agreed. AJ will catch him a few times
 
Decent night of boxing tonight. Whittaker fights again - should win easily but let's see if he sticks to his over the top showboating.

Then a rematch of CBS and Riakorphe. Last time they fought Riakorphe win by split decision but that was back in 2019 and CBS has won a world title since then and has probably the better resume since then. He's been in some tough fights though and I think that may have an impact in this fight. I expect Riakorphe to win by stoppage this time.

Gervonta Davis fighting over in the US as well against Frank Martin. Frank Martin is a game fighter who'd give anyone a decent fight but he's a level below the elite and Davis should win comfortably - most likely be stoppage with his power. Benavidez v Gvodzyk is another fight too which should be a decent watch - he goes under the radar Benavidez but he's an elite fighter.
 
Arenyeka managed to stay till the end, gotta give it to him defensively, but nothing there offensively.

Whittaker has a lot of ground to cover in his development, and his lack of punch power is an issue
 
Riakporhe has poor conditioning. Can't seem to sustain attacks and always smothering his own work by clinching after he lands
 
Only gave Riakporhe three rounds and felt I was generous in doing so. Some of those scorecards were crazy, especially with the point taken off.
 
He was up on the scorecards but Davis was just biding his time. Picked it up big time in the later rounds and now just got the KO
 
Glorio said:
Arenyeka managed to stay till the end, gotta give it to him defensively, but nothing there offensively.

Whittaker has a lot of ground to cover in his development, and his lack of punch power is an issue
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Was coming in to say that. He's feather-fisted and he gets caught a lot. He doesn't have bombs in his hands to make every awkward angle shot a possible fight ender like a Nas or RJJ.

Don't see him going to the top and it looks like a matter of time before he gets sparked clean out.
 
Fortitude said:
Was coming in to say that. He's feather-fisted and he gets caught a lot. He doesn't have bombs in his hands to make every awkward angle shot a possible fight ender like a Nas or RJJ.

Don't see him going to the top and it looks like a matter of time before he gets sparked clean out.
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Yeah said the same last night. Naz could end fights when he wanted to - especially against the journeyman/lower ranked fighters. Whittaker doesn't have that power to do so, he's very talented and some of the angles and combinations he throws are exceptional but I don't think his style will translate to taking on the top guys with his lack of power.
 
SambaBoy said:
Yeah said the same last night. Naz could end fights when he wanted to - especially against the journeyman/lower ranked fighters. Whittaker doesn't have that power to do so, he's very talented and some of the angles and combinations he throws are exceptional but I don't think his style will translate to taking on the top guys with his lack of power.
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Yeah and I think that’s a big part of why he gets caught on exits, as his opponents are trading with him, not respecting the power of the shot, where with guys like Nas, the same shot would’ve really hurt them and left them reeling in recovery mode.

As he goes up the division, the better fighters will really punish his pillow hands and purposely exchange, and those shots he’s getting clipped with now instinctively and speculatively will be intended and tactical with enough venom on them to put him out.

The way he is now, it feels like a dead cert that is just a matter of time.
 
Fortitude said:
Yeah and I think that’s a big part of why he gets caught on exits, as his opponents are trading with him, not respecting the power of the shot, where with guys like Nas, the same shot would’ve really hurt them and left them reeling in recovery mode.

As he goes up the division, the better fighters will really punish his pillow hands and purposely exchange, and those shots he’s getting clipped with now instinctively and speculatively will be intended and tactical with enough venom on them to put him out.

The way he is now, it feels like a dead cert that is just a matter of time.
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Good, I might tune in to see him get sparked out
 
Not unless he fights Parker or Fury. I think he walks through Dubois.
 
Gringo said:
Not unless he fights Parker or Fury. I think he walks through Dubois.
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Not sure Joshua vs Parker would interest people much more than the usual interest AJ generates. Not because it won't be a tough fight, but because we've already seen it once. Vs Fury would get everyone hyped.
 
SilentWitness said:
What the feck is wrong with Garcia?
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He's lost the plot. Imagine a shittier De La Hoya but with ten times the worse outside the ring nonsense. He might have some casual fans still into him but I think he's lost the boxing crowd for good.
 
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