I like Rafael as a player but I don't think he can be relied upon to stay fit. If take Coleman over him tbh.
The sequel to the tedious DDG v Courtois thread: Rafael v Seamus Coleman
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I'd take Coleman over Rafael at this point. I love Rafael but we can'y rely on him enough with his injuries.
I remember making a thread on here about Coleman 40 minutes into his debut, you could tell straight away he had great ability.
Edit: Was going to edit the accidental Scottish I did but I think I'll leave it in there.
I remember making a thread on here about Coleman 40 minutes into his debut, you could tell straight away he had great ability.
Edit: Was going to edit the accidental Scottish I did but I think I'll leave it in there.
I'd prefer Clyne over Coleman, but I'd gladly take Coleman this month because I have no patience and I like new signings.
Coleman is okay but feck me are we going to get ripped off on every player we sign?
Yes, yes we are.
Tends to happen when your chief exec. spends months whacking off about how much money you have to spend.
C'mon dude, you telling me you've never heard of the "Man Utd tax", it only applies when we are trying to sign players and clubs just keep adding more ££'s.
On a more serious note, we rarely get good deals for players, only ones I can remember clearly are RVP, Blind and maybe some others.
We really were far too vocal about the whole being rich thing.
Nah, don't believe the Coleman stuff at all, plus CB is way more important right now.
Unfortunately, yes. Teams know we have money and will make us pay.
No it's not, we play wingers in the fullbacks positions.
Coleman is a £20m player IMO. I don't think the fee is that outrageous.
Coleman would be a brilliant signing, we effectively have no right back for large parts of the season, and these stupid fecking injuries have arguably cost us a chance at the title this season.
We need to a build a world class squad with 2 top players for each positions, Rafael and Coleman competing for the RB slot would be great!
We need to a build a world class squad with 2 top players for each positions, Rafael and Coleman competing for the RB slot would be great!
why do people prefer Clyne over Coleman? Just because Clyne is younger and had arguably a better season so far?
To be completely fair, Young has become quite the tidy wingback, or even fullback when called for.
Aye, Coleman's about that(Moyes paid 60k, smashing business), add the Woody tax, and the January tax and £25m is a lucky enough fee to get away with.
Clyne's English, which means he counts for HG/Nation, which helps squad building(especially for the CL if we make it). Of course he's also very talented too, I prefer Coleman, but there isn't much in it, IMHO.
I'm sure Rafael counts as homegrown though?
I'd prefer neither of them.
It is clear we will buy a RB for the next season, both better than Alves.
Who do you have in mind then?
He does indeed. Enough that recently, due to lack of International football, he was close to, and considering, doing the Diego Costa move and switching to England. He said the hubbub over Januzaj quickly changed his mind.
On point, even though he does, the more you have that fit the HG bill, the better.
No idea. But Coleman is hideously overrated. And £25 million for a right back is mental.
What about £27m for a left back?
Rafael for RB, with Valencia as adequate backup (for now), Shaw, Young, and Rojo (in extreme cases) for LB, yes often they're injured but at least when they're fit Rafael, and Shaw are quality.
Yet for CB we have Smalling (can't pass), Jones (can't stay fit), Evans (Can't play football anymore), Rojo (looks limited), & 2 kids, plus LvG seems compelled to play Carrick there sometimes just to get some quality in there, which then distracts from our midfield.
ihmo I'd say a CB is way more important just now,
No going by this season. Filipe Luis was only two years older and the best LB in the world (arguably) and went for 16m.
The said LB was 18, english and playing at the same standard the said RB is playing at.
Shaw was nowhere near the standard of Coleman last season.
Nah. I rate Shaw highly, but he hasn't hit Coleman's heights yet.
Attacking-wise yes, but Shaw was superb defensively.
Mental as well. But at least Shaw is 19, and has the potential to be properly world class (imo), so you can argue that that and his longevity makes up for that price. Coleman is already 26 and I doubt he'll get much better then he already is.
We've always had to pay the "United Tax" though, it's not something new that has come about with the new CEO. However, not we're not going to miss out on players for the sake of principle or saving a few million quids now. I seem to remember that the transfer feees for both Stam and Yorke were branded ludicrous at the time too - so it's nothing new. (of course they worked out big time!).
On topic, I wouldn't mind Coleman at that price - since we can't really rely on Rafael's fitness.
Going forward no, definitely not. He's got to work on that part of his game. But he's already better defensively.
Would also prefer Clyne to Coleman
Sort of get why people would prefer Clyne given that he can cover LB and is younger.
On the other hand, Coleman is definitely a better player right now and, with quite a few young defenders at the club already, maybe it wouldn't hurt to bring in someone who is just entering his peak years? Plus it's not like 26 is that old either, we'd still 6/7 years from him anyway.
The other factor is that Coleman would be ideally suited to switching between being used as a fullback/wingback as he has played as a winger quite a bit in the past.
Coleman's quite quick plus already offers some PL experience. Get him or someone else so we can finally play four at the back.
EDIT: Of course we could use someone better but who's available now ?
EDIT: Of course we could use someone better but who's available now ?
I don't believe for a second that LVG and all his knowledge of European football will target Coleman of Everton as the RB he wants above everyone else
I find it funny when people dismiss players as they maybe aren't at the Utd level.
We're playing with Rafa who is one red card or injury away from another spell out or turn back Tony, who whilst improved under LvG is a shadow of the player before his broken leg.
For me its simple, would coleman improve us and can we afford him. The answer is an emphatic yes to both, sign him up Woody and onto the next one.
We're playing with Rafa who is one red card or injury away from another spell out or turn back Tony, who whilst improved under LvG is a shadow of the player before his broken leg.
For me its simple, would coleman improve us and can we afford him. The answer is an emphatic yes to both, sign him up Woody and onto the next one.
How much knowledge is there really, as he was the national coach for the last 2 years. I think that he relies a lot on our scouting reports made for Moyes.
He very rarely gets sent off. When will this myth die?
His injury record is shocking though, yes.
While i agree, there is a massivel lack of world class RBs. I dont see many available who are better than Coleman or Clyne. The only other RB we got linked with was Dani Alves.
Sorry I meant more his playing style, I tend to wince a lot more when he flies in.
Like I think the lack of red cards may be more luck than judgement
