He's been sent off twice in five years according to soccerbase - hardly excessive. Sorry Keyser, just seen your reply after I'd posted.
The sequel to the tedious DDG v Courtois thread: Rafael v Seamus Coleman
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Sorry I meant more his playing style, I tend to wince a lot more when he flies in.
Like I think the lack of red cards may be more luck than judgement
His discipline record is actually pretty good, I'm fairly sure the likes of Zabaleta have seen more cards without developing this reputation for impetuousness.
Still, that reputation is a problem in itself. It's unfair really but the truth is everyone thinks Rafael is a hothead and his style of play hardly discourages that idea. He has to learn to be extra careful with that in mind.
Here is Rafael's number of appearances in the league since he came here...
That's not good enough if we're being honest
That's not good enough if we're being honest
Here is Rafael's number of appearances in the league since he came here...
That's not good enough if we're being honest
Yeah, but in 2012-13 he played 28 games.
Bollox! Any of the big clubs get the same treatment when they really want a player! It's not a conspiracy is what I'm saying!
The frustration comes from knowing how good he can be when fit. He was the best right back in the league when we won it and there's hope he can stay fit enough to reach that level again.
Its not an Anderson-type situation where he had a few decent performances 7 or 8 years ago. He was consistently excellent over a whole season/season and a half and was vital to our most recent success.
No body is saying his appearance record is good enough, but he can be.
Its not an Anderson-type situation where he had a few decent performances 7 or 8 years ago. He was consistently excellent over a whole season/season and a half and was vital to our most recent success.
No body is saying his appearance record is good enough, but he can be.
Here is Rafael's number of appearances in the league since he came here...
That's not good enough if we're being honest
Compared to Coleman's since he joined Everton:
9/10 - 3 apps - 0 goals
10/11 - 34 apps - 4 goals
11/12 - 18 apps - 0 goals
12/13 - 26 apps - 0 goals
12/14 - 36 apps - 6 goals
14/15 - 17 apps - 2 goals
33 more appearances, 8 more goals. Much healthier numbers, I think.
Rafeal's youtube compilation would be much better than Colemans though. He does so many great things ... every now and again.
Let's face it, if we sign Coleman he'll suddenly struggle to play more than 15 games a season.
Coleman is great going forward (better then Rafa), but I think he's just bang average defensively (worse then Rafa).
To be fair, in that period Rafael has had one more assist than Coleman in that time. Also, Rafa is much better defensively.
Comparing goals is not really that useful. Rafael has never been a goal scorer and has not needed to, as we have always had at least one world class striker, which Everton have not. They need their fullbacks to shoot and to score goals, which is clearly a tactic of theirs, as they have not had a truly top class striker who they can cross to.
Also, despite having had 67 fewer appearances than Zabaleta, Rafael has only assisted 2 fewer and scored 4 fewer goals.
I think overall, the biggest, and pretty much only, problem is that Rafael is stupidly injury prone. If he weren't he would be without a doubt the best RB in the league and one of the top few in Europe.
There are really not that many good right-backs around let alone available.
Tweets please. All Rafael bashing in his thread.
I would prefer we buy players that LVG has identified frankly.
No way a lot of these are "his guys" 25m is also a massive fee. that means we would have spent over 50m on fullbacks and another 32m on cover who can play those positions. could have got bale for practically that.
No way a lot of these are "his guys" 25m is also a massive fee. that means we would have spent over 50m on fullbacks and another 32m on cover who can play those positions. could have got bale for practically that.
Do people think LVG is stupid? I'm sure he's heard of Coleman before he even came to Man Utd.
What £32m on cover are you talking about? And yeah let's not sign fullbacks. Just sign Bale. Also don't worry about CM or CBs. Let's sign Messi too. Who needs defence? Just play with 10 attackers and De Gea.
Yea because that's the point I was alluding to, Christ.
So why are you crying when we spending money on fullbacks? And you still haven't explained the £32m cover.
Ha ha. Rafael is a terrible defender. Colemanis an all round better player.
Clyne is better defensively than Coleman IMO
Thats such a terrible statement it almost deserves a few laughing smilies.
Bloody hell. Rocks in your head.
Its also nailed on that both of them will be injured at the same time.
I'd rather the better defender. I'd rather Rafael.
If Coleman is suspect defensively, not sure why we would be excited about this? Or am I missing something.
He isnt. He plays for Bobby Martinez and apparently is shit at defending now.
Coleman shit at defending 
Keep him fit and he'll get close to Zabaletta's level. The problem are his injuries because the progress he's made since joining us has been clear to see. There was a game earlier in the season where he scored a perfect 10 for me. Did everything right.
Coleman shit at defending
I know its ridiculous
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Rafael can't keep fit but Coleman is not £25m better although a slightly better player. I'd rather we addressed other issues (lack of pace in attack, midfield general or leader of a centre back) and keep Rafael or Valencia there at the moment, as we have plenty cover.
Laugh all you want mate. We're all laughing at you.
Ffs
Still see the old classics being thrown about re Rafael. It's crazy.
Terrible defender
Walking red card
Still see the old classics being thrown about re Rafael. It's crazy.
Terrible defender
Walking red card
We just need too rash/dives in to complete the set.Ffs
Still see the old classics being thrown about re Rafael. It's crazy.
Terrible defender
Walking red card
Ffs
Still see the old classics being thrown about re Rafael. It's crazy.
Terrible defender
Walking red card
Fabio was always the better of the two.
You just made that up. Colman is a very good defender. Cliched bollox.
I rather have neither Clyne nor Coleman
Can't believe some of the bashing Coleman is getting, he's one of the best right-backs in the world when on form but they way people talk about him here you would think he was a pub player. People saying he can't defend which last season he was excellent defensively and a major part of Everton's success last season
I'd have no problem with LVG paying 25 million for Coleman, Clyne is a good prospect too but I'd rather have Coleman anyday
I'd have no problem with LVG paying 25 million for Coleman, Clyne is a good prospect too but I'd rather have Coleman anyday
Slow down mate, hes good but has done nothing on the world stage
I would find it very very difficult to pick 5 better right backs in world football right now then Coleman. The only reason he's never done it on the world stage is because he's never been given the opportunity he deserves at club level and international level.