Being from the Republic of Ireland, I have seen a lot of Coleman and I don't get where people are saying he is poor defensively. He is one of the best all round RB's in the Premier League in my opinion. I'd be happy with Coleman or Clyne.
The sequel to the tedious DDG v Courtois thread: Rafael v Seamus Coleman
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If only he was from England eh
The only question about Coleman is, how consistent is he at his bet level ? Because that's the difference between a good player and a great player.
I don't watch enough Everton to respond to that question. Other than that he is very good at everything, great athlete, good technician and tactically sound.
I don't watch enough Everton to respond to that question. Other than that he is very good at everything, great athlete, good technician and tactically sound.
Premiership team of the year along with winning the players and supporters player of the year last season, shows how he's added real consistency to his game. He's been gradually improving year-upon-year and was brilliant last season.
I like Coleman. I think he's probably our best option getting in a right wingback as thats what we need whether we play 3-4-1-2 or 4-diamond-2 as in both formations all of the width comes from fullbacks bombing forward and Coleman has attacking skills whereas for example Clyne is just an athlete running up and down with a lot less quality in attacking areas. Coleman would be an improvement over Valencia going forward, Clyne would be the exact same.
However Coleman has not been anywhere near as good as last season. In the summer he was arguably worth £18-20 million which is a lot for a fullback, his dip in form must make it more like £14-15 million. If we paid more than that I think Everton would be pulling a fast one
However Coleman has not been anywhere near as good as last season. In the summer he was arguably worth £18-20 million which is a lot for a fullback, his dip in form must make it more like £14-15 million. If we paid more than that I think Everton would be pulling a fast one
I really mean his own best level, in a competition with himself, i know that he is playing consistently at a good level, but for example Xavi, Vidic, Terry were able to multiply the world class performances week in week out.
I think Coleman would be the best option but now it's just about trying to wittle down the price. Could we include any players in a swap deal? Cleverley?
He's playing in a struggling Everton side this season and has had some injuries. It's pretty hard to be putting in any kind of world class performances considering how poor Everton have been. He still has 3 goals and 2 assists and has generally looked pretty good this season. Obviously last season when Everton were playing really good stuff, he looked better.
The positive to take out of that is the 12-13 season when we won the league, he was one of our best players.Here is Rafael's number of appearances in the league since he came here...
That's not good enough if we're being honest
When he has a good run of games, he is a fantastic RB but as you've pointed out, he's injured far to often. We certainly need a back up RB and last season Coleman was one of the best in the league so ~20mil is worth it for me.
People see what they want to see.Ffs
Still see the old classics being thrown about re Rafael. It's crazy.
Terrible defender
Walking red card
I'm not really clear, if you want to know if a player can play for a better team you have to look at how many times, he plays at his own best level.
For example a pilot, you don't judge on his best lap but on how many times he is able to reach is best chrono.
I like Coleman a lot. I prefer him to Clyne, he's fitter than Rafael and I'd take him at the club, but he is still an unknown quantity at the very top level and still has a great deal to prove. Playing at Everton and playing at United is markedly different and it could show if he were to make the move.
Can we stick this Coleman vs Rafael in the FF section. It's as boring as Courtois vs DDG.
They can get him free at the end of the season and even thats too soon for them...
I get what you're saying. Thing is, it's naturally going to be harder for a player to reach their best level when their team is under-performing. Coleman hasn't hit his personal heights of last season, but he has still played at a consistent level. It's much easier for a player to play at their best level when their team is performing well.
I personally feel that Coleman would be a great addition to our squad.
Try not to get nasty son.
Don't get me wrong, he's good going forwards but he is way to rash in defence.
Yeah, i understand , it's not a critic on my behalf, i'm just trying to know how he performed against himself.
In that respect, yes, he hasn't managed to replicate his performances from last season. Everton seem to have seriously regressed from their brilliant possession-based football from last season and all their players have suffered a dip in form. I just had a gander at whoscored and they have an overall rating of 7.09 for the season which is pretty good overall. Some Everton players such as Distin and Howard have suffered a drastic loss of form, whereas the likes of Barry and Lukaku have struggled too. I feel that Coleman has remained consistent but not yet reached his brilliance from last season.
Take this to another thread lads. This is the Twitter thread.
His defensive frailties don't get looked at with the same sort of magnitude of Rafael's. Everton's defence has been a joke this year, and Coleman happens to be a part of it.
I'd say Coleman obviously but when Rafael can't spring a run of games together it's a big minus on his part. Coleman is brilliant though and the big reason why he isn't hitting the same heights as last season is because he has been holding back as a attacking threat because McCarthy has been injured and it doesn't look like he trusts McCarthys replacements to fill in for him when he does go forward. It is also not helping that the players playing infront of him are being very selfish and losing the ball often, again another reason why isn't marauding down the right like he can. So basically if you want Coleman you will have to get McCarthy also. 70 million please 
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.Rafael is suspect defensively & has previous for being rash and is often injured, could cross the ball better than he does too. Coleman is better but also prone to defensive mistakes and injury.
LVG should look at other options.
LVG should look at other options.
I'd say Coleman obviously but when Rafael can't spring a run of games together it's a big minus on his part. Coleman is brilliant though and the big reason why he isn't hitting the same heights as last season is because he has been holding back as a attacking threat because McCarthy has been injured and it doesn't look like he trusts McCarthys replacements to fill in for him when he does go forward. It is also not helping that the players playing infront of him are being very selfish and losing the ball often, again another reason why isn't marauding down the right like he can. So basically if you want Coleman you will have to get McCarthy also. 70 million please
How about a nice Coleman for Fellaini swap deal? Your (EFC) valuations of the 2 players match up ok.
Coleman's been the better player for at least one and a half seasons now. That shouldn't even be up for debate. All that's up for debate is whether or not Rafael can get back to his best but there comes a point when you have to stop referring to past performances and judge players by what you're seeing on the pitch.
Rafael was always defensively flaky, Coleman isn't great at defending either.
If Rafael wouldn't be made from glass, then I would prefer him over Coleman any day of the week. Better defensively, better all round game but not as good attacking-wise.
But then, Rafael is made from glass, so at this point would prefer Coleman.
But then, Rafael is made from glass, so at this point would prefer Coleman.
If both are fit then answer is quite easy. The better defender.