Spurs could also do what Liverpool and Everton have done in previous seasons and dip after a good year.
Everton under Martinez hit 72 points only 2 years ago and spurs are barely going to beat that point total
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Everton under Martinez hit 72 points only 2 years ago and spurs are barely going to beat that point total
This is also the first time you are in the top 4 in 3 seasons. How is that a trend? I think you need to check up on the meaning of that word.
Because we haven't had all those money. We spent around 150m on Van Gaal's first season here. Since then, the TV deal increased for 30-40m and will increase the same amount next season, Chevrolet deal is 30m higher than the previous one, and adidas deal is 50m higher. And then the UCL money. Just on these we are talking for around an extra 150-200m.
We could easily spend 200m for year as long as we don't leave our wage become a problem (I think that currently stands at around 45%, probably the lowest in the league). I am not sure if we'll do that because Glazers can start getting heavy dividends, but so far their plan seems to be to increase the value of United and to get the money by selling stocks, not by getting dividends.
Only one point to say here. Tottenham have missed their only chance to win the league. None of the top teams will be this bad again. Tough luck spurs 
It is naive to think that money + top manager = success for each team, but it is incredibly naive to think too that all three of United, City and Chelsea will flop if they heavy spend (and in case of United get Mourinho). One of them maybe, two of them very unlikely, all three of them is close to impossible.
And for the love of Spaghetti Monster, please stop talking bullshit. Simeone won Europa league in his first season, while the European Super Cup and Copa Del Rey in his second season. Pochetino has won 'finish higher than United once' during his first two years. It isn't even comparable.
I think that more likely than not, Spurs won't finish in top 4 next season. UCL will hurt them, and all three of United, Chelsea and City will be far better. Assuming that we really get Mourinho, I think that it is between them, Liverpool and Arsenal the fourth place.
The past is the past. It's gone. You're only as good as your last game. You sound like a Liverpool fan with that type of logic.
It's more logical to think that perhaps one of the three will be an instant success. Spurs are building on a solid foundation. They are rebuilding.
Duh. You missed the point. He's not managing a club with the history or expectations of Atlético Madrid. That was the point. They're a huge club. The third biggest in Spain, both now and traditionally. Spurs are a cup side who once won the league twice many moons ago. Like Sevilla. Try to keep up. The fact that he has even challenged with a relatively unchanged Spurs squad is what is impressive. Simeone has spent big money. He's not Ranieri ffs.
I think The UCL will be a hell of a lot more manageable than The Europa League was. They will make it the first round at best, probably. Still a learning curve ahead for that young squad.
Not bloody class. He was a benchwarmer who played occasionally under Heynckess and pretty much didn't play at all under Pep. And then failed at the next club. How that equals to success is above me.
Bojan scored 7 goals per season, and then they loaned him the next season to Milano when he miserably flopped, to only return to Barca and get sold immediately to Ajax, when he flopped again. But yes, Stoke signed Di Stefano reincarnated.
I am jealous of Stoke though and their holy trinity of Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri. Such a strike force to be reckoned with.
Pochettino actually places an emphasis on defending though. Rodgers and Martínez are very poor on that side of the game. I appreciate their attacking intent, but Spurs have proven to be quite a balanced outfit. They work hard too.
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It is possible, but I was mainly clutching at straws using sports predictor app to push us into the top 4
I didn't say I expected it, I'm just ruling it out given how strange football and life can be. We were managed by an utter genius for 25 years and Liverpool were managed poorly/decently during the same period, so it's not at all impossible for the roles to be reversed (even to a lesser degree for both) for a period of 10 years.
Tottenham do not have the money to buy top quality players and will have even less now due to the new stadium. They were very lucky this season with injuries so I think they will be fighting to get into the top 4 next year.
Who are you and where have you been so far?
He challenged Leicester with Spurs though, not Real and Barcelona. And Athletico were called 'Pathetico' by Real (and other clubs) fans because they were doing nothing important before Simeone.
They Europa League was manageable until they had to play a top side and they pissed themselves. In UCL they will almost surely face two squads that are better than them. If they pass the groups, an another squad. It will be difficult. Even us under Fergie were struggling (especially on the first half of the season) on matches in the league after we had a midweek match in UCL. Spurs certainly will.
Spurs are slightly punching above their weights, in a season when United, City and Chelsea are underperforming. That's it. Things will get normalized in the next season and they will be the lol-Spurs again.
Yes, it is. We could have been managed by God itself, and we would have seen the trophies only in TV if we weren't also one of the team that spent mostly (by far more than any other team in the nineties, second after Chelsea in the first decade of this century).
It is not something to be expected. As I said, it is pure statistics. Unless we are under sabotage, or Spurs gets purchased by someone wealthy, we will finish ahead of them more often than not.
17 goals and 21 assists from 36 starts at Bayern. Flop
Again, he was an Enrique signing. The project only lasted one year. 7 league goals is a decent return in Serie A as 20/21 year old moving abroad.
I'd take all three of them over most of our lot.
The fact that Spurs haven't won a lot in recent years, or tend not to be successful, is a bit irrelevant. Right now, they've got an excellent team with a fantastic manager, and if they hold that together I'd be surprised if they don't compete. The big teams will improve again, but merely bringing in a top manager isn't going to fix all the problems that the likes of us, City and Chelsea have.
Am I the only one wondering what the hell is going on in here?
He challenged Leicester, City and Arsenal. This only became a two horse race recently. Madrid fans being cnuts. Shocker. They actually won titles and cups in the years before Simeone's reign. As early as the late 90's, unlike Spurs who have won feck all.
Well, I think they wanted out of it. They didn't go at it full pelt. Rotated players and didn't use Kane for both 90 minutes. We'll see. I think their style of plays will suit the European style. Their pressing will unsettle lots of the slower paced approach teams.
United have been underperforming for a couple of years now though. It's becoming the norm. And Chelsea are still a cup side. They have won 4 titles from 14 attempts since Abramovich took control. Sure this is a freak season for them, but 3rd place is not out of the ordinary for them.
This is all very nice, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Some people are pissing themselves that Spurs will become Barcelona because they are going to finish around 10 points below Leicester this season.Am I the only one wondering what the hell is going on in here?
Well you could argue that we were managed by someone Godly and that's why we were capable of spending that much. If Liverpool/Spurs start winning titles the gap in spending will only reduce. Liverpool, for example, do spend 30 odd million on the likes Benteke and Firminho, so it's not as if they're skint either. It (gap in wealth) will further be made more insignificant if we keep overpaying and others find more bang for their buck.
I actually think we will sort our shit out and finish ahead of them most years. But I don't "pure statistics" can explain every possible outcome. If Klopp does as good a job at Liverpool as he did at Dortmund, you better hope we're managed well because Moyes and Lvg-ing it out will get us nowhere.
I am your father.
Do tell us what you know about the financing of Spurs new stadium?
Of course not. Like I said, we will finish ahead of them next season and I'd expect us to thereafter as well. I just don't think we can do anything meaningful whilst being terrible ourselves. That's all. We agree on what will happen, I just don't think it's guaranteed.
I was just about to express similar sentimentsAm I the only one wondering what the hell is going on in here?
mental thread 3 years. After a full dominance in twenty years. And it is almost surely that we will win a trophy this season, something that Spurs haven't done in more than 5 years. It is possible that we will also go in UCL which will make our season better than theirs.
Chelsea won only 4 league titles in 14 attempts. 4 league titles more than Spurs. Which is pretty much what I would expect us to win in the next 15 years. And 0 league titles for Spurs at the same time.
What I do know is that Pochettino has said Spurs won't be able to spend big because of it.
Pochettino has done a great job with Spurs this season. It is not common that the best team in the league that season does not win the title.
I am really interested to how Spurs will go forward next year and whether they will remain consistent. Their squad can only improve if they can retain some of their important players.
I believe they need more depth at the moment, in particular in the striking department and some more defensive minded player.
I am really interested to how Spurs will go forward next year and whether they will remain consistent. Their squad can only improve if they can retain some of their important players.
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I believe they need more depth at the moment, in particular in the striking department and some more defensive minded player.
He has always supported Spurs, the git.
3 years is a long time in football, son. I think we dominated up until 2003. Every title was hard fought after that. The 90's was a piece of piss for the most part. The three on the bounce from 99 to 01 was a stroll. 07-09 was the most impressive spell under Fergie.
Hopefully we do win the cup. I have a bad feeling though. They way the season has gone, you can just see a Palace breakaway goal. 1-0 Bolasie. LvG cuts his bollocks off and retires. We'll see though.
Again, this is guess work. I'll see you here in 15 years time if you're correct.
I wouldn't. We just were at the right place when football became all about money. Being also the most supported club in the league which sold itself to the money before the other leagues helped a lot (and we were the most supporting team in England even those 25 years when we won feck all).
Liverpool/Spurs won't just start winning titles. They might occasionally win some titles like Atletico, BVB and Leicester do but they won't become serial winners.
Klopp has no chance of doing as a good job as he did at Dortmund because there are 4 teams that can outspend them here (with 3 that can outspend them by a wide margin). In Germany he could sign any player that Bayern didn't bother to sign.
We'll overpay for some (Fellaini( and get some bad decisions (Di Maria) but we'll also underpay for some (Blind) and get some good players (Martial). Same as Spurs. For all their Alli and Kanes, they also had their share of Soldados and Adebayors. Anyone who expects that United will consistently fail on their big signings and Spurs will consistently get cheap top players is wrong.
The other problem is Spurs keeping their players. It isn't can Spurs keep their players! It is, for how long Spurs will keep their players. If Kane and Alli show to be half as good as we think they are, their days at Spurs are numbered. It happened for Bale and Modric, it happened at Liverpool for Alonso, Mascherano and Suarez, it happened at BVB for Lewa, Gotze, Kagawa, Sahin and now Hummels, it happened at Atletico for Falcao, Costa, Filipe Luis etc. It is possible to replace them well at times, but pretty much impossible to do that all the time.
Lamela? Trippier is a hero.
They haven't been the best team in the league this season though. It isn't that Leicester are narrowly winning the league. They will win it almost surely with 5+ points difference having leaded it for the majority of time, and never in the second half of the season looked at serious trouble. Spurs haven't lead it for a single week (were they ever within 3 points of difference).
It is a good team, but nothing special. When the top teams fire, this team would have finished in fourth-fifth position.
Lamela has been great for Spurs this season, but I believe Spurs need an attacking player that is more willing to run at players and is quick. When you look at Spurs front four, it is hard to say any one of them are speedster. As such, that sort of player will improve their side.
Trippier seems more like a player who is a squad player. I can not imagine Spurs fullback being as effective with him in the side as a regular. I also have that same feeling for Walker.
There is a dichotomy that exist between being the best team and the most consistent team. Spurs has shown dominance in most stats relevant to team performances beside the most important one, which is league standing.
Table never lies IMO. Well, unless it is on small margins (like 0-2 points).
They also lost both matches against the league's best team.
Lamela is a dribbler though and he presses harder than anyone. He's integral. I think Son will have a good second season. Son is possibly the best Asian player I've ever seen. He was great in Germany. Hopefully he's fully settled by August.
Tbh, Walker and Trippier have been very reliable and see lots of the ball in this current system. They have the legs necessary to support the attack and recover when being counter attacked. Dier becomes a third centre back when Rose and Walker/Trippier burst forward.
A striker to provide cover for Kane and another defensive midfielder would be the priorities, for me. I rate Bentaleb though.
They drew the first game and lost the second one. While also putting in context, they beat Leceister in the fa cup prior to their lost in the premier league. Match report and highlights of their lost to Leceister showed they were the dominate side, but at the end of the day what everyone will remember is the score line and not the performance, which is indicated right now.
You do realise Spurs are owned by somebody quite a bit wealthier than the Glazers? Somebody who hasn't saddled the club with £450m of debt to be taking big annual dividends.
£450m isn't a huge debt to a club like Utd, but there is a big difference between how the two clubs are owned and run, rather than continuously spouting nonsense you should really think about what you write because to be honest you're embarrassing yourself in this thread. You seem to think that Utd being the biggest football club in England is a reflection of yourself as an individual, which is some weird thinking.
Thankfully football isn't all about money, or people like yourself who follow a club only because they are successful. People who support clubs that don't win anything, like my club Spurs, or West Ham, Birmingham or Barnsley are the ones who make football what it is, it's easy to be a glory glory football supporter (by no means am I aiming that at all Utd fans). But supporters of clubs who live on nothing but dreams year after year because their club is in the family blood, is local and is ingrained from birth are the ones who allow you to live on your fake pedestal.
2-3 more years of Utd of being placed 4th-7th and you're the type who'll be changing your red scarf for a sky blue one, joining an online forum and droning on about how much money your beloved Citeh has.
It's very arrogant to assume throwing money all over the shop will just solve all problems. Coaching and development are crucial factors and in Pochettino they have a coach who has overseen great improvement in the individuals and team as a collective.
In Levy they have an astute businessman driving the operations to build the new stadium, build state of the art facilities and building a relationship with locals to attract new support links. Having worked in London for some years I can vouch for this. In addition the academy has always been a strong point and this will only improve with the investments because they are in the biggest city hence have an easy attraction.
The club is run incredibly well top to bottom and now at last they have a coach who ticks the boxes. He was the same at Southampton and I would love to have him at United.
In Levy they have an astute businessman driving the operations to build the new stadium, build state of the art facilities and building a relationship with locals to attract new support links. Having worked in London for some years I can vouch for this. In addition the academy has always been a strong point and this will only improve with the investments because they are in the biggest city hence have an easy attraction.
The club is run incredibly well top to bottom and now at last they have a coach who ticks the boxes. He was the same at Southampton and I would love to have him at United.
They can definitely improve that front 4 big time. Kane is top class, but as you say, there's a lack of genuine pace and dribbling-at-pace ability in the wide areas. They've gelled superbly but if they don't buy well in the summer and add quality attackers, I can see their attack struggling next season.
He is but, he is not very quick. I believe if they want to improve they need an upgrade in the areas where they are most weak in. I look at Spurs squad and I do not believe their right back position and right midfield position is their strongest compared to their other role. As such, it makes more sense to improve those areas.
I am also a fan of Son since he was in the German league as such, he should provide quality depth to your side and still be an integral member of your team if one of your starters get injuried. I will say that I can not predict the future, so perhaps, he will become more than just a squad player for Spurs next season. He has the ability, but whether he can remain a consistent performer is not yet known.
1. I was never judging anything. In fact, I said once that the system is not fair, but it is how it is. And no, I don't support United just because of trophies.
2. I know that Lewis is wealthier than Glazers but that is irrelevant cause neither of them are going to spend their own money on the club. By a rich person, I meant someone who actually puts money on the club. Essentially a rich Russian/Arab.
PS: don't get from my posts that I enjoy the system. I was just saying how things are. It is actually very easy to document it. All you need is the amount of money spend from each club and their league position. You'll see the correlation there.
It isn't arrogant at all, because it is exactly what happens. Just forget the fairytale you hear on the media, and look at the relation between the money spend and the league finish. Obviously, you can finish in average one place or so higher (in the very top of the table), but that's it. You certainly can't finish in average 3-4 positions higher than the money you spend (at the top of the table).