So I stand by my statement.
The Spurs thread
- Thread starter GlastonSpur
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
So I stand by my statement.
"almost as good as" was the question.
None of them are close.
In your opinion.
I've been watching Godín since his Villarreal days. They are my second favourite team in Spain. Great little club.
True. To be fair Godin is worse than all of them. He isn't even PL proven, right?
I'll presume you're joking and leave it there.
Yes, anything posted by me is my opinion and not an universal truth.
Were you going to make a point after stating what you did in the 2nd part of your post?
Now you're just making stuff up.
Godíns performances have been elevated by Simeone's tactics. I don't think he would be the same player at Barcelona, Real, Bayern, Pep's City or even at LvG's United.
Sack Simeone, he let Alderweireld go 
and Godin was not even PL proven Simeone's tactic is useless, couldn't elevate Alderweireld performance.
and Godin was not even PL proven Simeone's tactic is useless, couldn't elevate Alderweireld performance.Nope. No. Nada.
There is not such a thing as senior poster. In fact, I think that I have seen mods giving warnings to posters who call other posters as newbies/noobs just because they have written more posts.
And Huth will be the same player at Barca, Real etc? Godin has been one of the best defenders in the world for several seasons now and not only for his performances under Simeone but also at national level. The ones you mentioned have achieved what?
These kind of arguments can be made for any CB out there.
This thread epitomises how bad the caf is right now.
Here's something an unnamed poster told me not too long ago: "I was reading the Spurs thread and dear God. It's turning more into RAWK with every passing week. The level of debate now is shocking, if you say something slightly positive about a rival team you get several quotes saying you're mad, which is fine as they just get added to my ignore list but jeez."
Here's something an unnamed poster told me not too long ago: "I was reading the Spurs thread and dear God. It's turning more into RAWK with every passing week. The level of debate now is shocking, if you say something slightly positive about a rival team you get several quotes saying you're mad, which is fine as they just get added to my ignore list but jeez."
Nope. I'm saying I think he could do a similar job for Simeone. Leicester are very similar to Atlético in terms of shape and tactics.
Saying something positive is different to saying: that in the future Spurs will finish ahead of United because this is a trend; Pochetino is better (has done better) than Simeone; Alder is as good as Godin and Kane is as good as Griezmann and Spurs won't ever sell their top players and managers cause they are making some new stadium.
Their fans think that they are Barcelona, and a few United fans think the same despite that they will finish just a couple of points more than their default finish with Redknapp or Everton under Martinez a couple of years ago.
So while we're at it, what is your take on Alderweireld, Huth, Reid is currently on the same level as Godin?
Has Spurs been doing in last 6 years better than Chelsea's last 3 years?
Has this season Spurs been on a level above what we knew Citeh, Chelsea were last few years?
Your opinions on whether Citeh, Chelsea, Liverpool would still be a level below Spur level comes next season.
Have you read the debate/discussion? Which can of which team started on personal accusation, not discussing the topic?
Last edited:
When a poster(regardless of who he supports) makes a claim that Spurs defence is better than Atletico's, which probably is the best in the world right now, he's bound to get called out.
Just put aside the obvious ones that are being commented but Njie better than Torres already when he had like 5 goals in his pro career is very naive to put it mildly.
Not to mention Glaston's trend learning process that took part in the last couple of pages.
I'm still five pages behind but I've seen enough.
Glaston has been getting a shitload of abuse with plenty trying to wind him up. Heck, even the night Spurs dropped points he posted something which was fine and ended up having loads of comments saying "guess we're not gonna see Glaston for months" and more trying to wind him up.
I'm only up to page 16 and yes some posts aren't great, but the point Glaston's trying to make can be summed up in this post:
Spurs have a better squad than United IMO, we've finished above you twice in the last 3 seasons and we'll have little problem improving the squad this summer given that CL football is on offer, Pochettino is at the helm and the squad's average is very young. Yet Mourinho is going to roll in, spends lot of money and hey presto - no question about it - you'll be back in the top 4 next season
Can you disagree with that?
Oh my God why is this happening.
Sure can. CL football and young manager and young squad does not guarantee improvement. Yes, it sounds attractive for players, but nothing would guarantee Spur would improve as with nothing would guarantee, Spur would not drop the level of this season performance. Stats/ point wise, there is not much improvement for Spur this season.
Question is, would Spur pull in experience high profile players though? Would world class players go to Spur under Poch whom won nothing yet, under an inexperienced (not the same team that competed in CL last time) young team? If City with Pep comes calling, who has stronger pull hypothetically? Who likely offer more wage?
Spurs has placed higher than United more time in 3 years, was it due to Spur performed on level above SAF team or United simply dropped in level? Why use odd number of years instead of even?
Why wouldn't Mou come and improve United fortune backed by he won several more trophies than Spurs entire history and he won his last trophy just last year? Mou's reputation offers pulling power of player and he can motivate the current players to perform better than currently. Expectation for Mou would be at least top 4. Make it or not, United has the same chance of improving as Spurs while United has stronger financial power. Why Spurs is off question why United is under question?
When did modern PL start? Often saw that in his post but can't get the scope because he sometimes used 3, other time 6... but why United can be seen under 6 year scope? Because United has SAF no more? Why Spur can use 6 when Poch started same year at Spurs the same as LVG?
Last edited:
Lie, another lie and then a fact.
Using the word Cieth should be a ban in itself. Grow up.
Nobody started any personal accusation either. Put your toys back in your pram.
The comparison was between individual players, not defences as a whole. A defence is a collective unit.
What an ignorant person. I already edited the post and said I made a type, which was pointed out by me and another member several pages back.
Frankly, you're talking complete shite.
Of course. Spurs had Bale's money and it was "easy" to envision improving their whole squad with 100 million in the bank. Yet they bought average players that didn't end improving them one bit. Then again disregarding the Mou factor - he finished top 3 in all but two times of the last 14 years(he didn't get the chance to finish those 2 seasons either to improve) and won 8 league titles in 4 different championships.
I can't see the problem bringing in Jose spending 100m pounds or so (even 200 as recent history has shown) and be back in top 4. For one Mourinho has proven over and over and over again to do just that.
Can Spurs improve their squad? Sure. Is that given and bound to happen - I don't think so.
You're trolling yourself by trying to claim you watch La Liga with any sort of regularity. Marcelo is a superb player. Ask Madrid fans themselves, he's ropey defensively for sure, but he's hugely gifted in terms of his all round game and ability on the ball. Rose is not even close to being at his level. Picture Rose playing for Real Madrid. Ronaldo would probably hand on a transfer request.
Godin would easily be the PL's best defender. He's better than Vincent "two good games in 2015" Kompany, Koschielmy or Smalling. I like how Godin, a beast of a defender wouldn't fit in under LVG when we have Smalling as our main CB who is just awful on the ball. Besides, if he's the best defender of the lot, just because Pep might not fancy him, it doesn't change that. Vidic wouldn't be wanted by Pep either probably, but he'd still easily be the best CB in the PL.
yes, you edited your post when everybody called you out on that lame comparison.
After that edit you still have Walker as good as Juanfran, Verthongen > Gimenez, Alder almost as good as Godin. And let's not get into the rest as well.
With your comparisons you have Spurs team as good as Atletico's yet they are miles apart. Atletico have been shoulder to shoulder in the race for La Liga how many years in a row now? They've also won EL, got to a CL final (which they were very close to winning) and eliminated Barca in the CL twice, not to mention also winning CdR.
Yet you have a Spurs side that is 4-5th in the rankings in EPL in the same time. Never made it outside the QF's of either CL and EL to have a team as good as theirs.
Go on with who is talking complete shite.
Soooo let me get this straight: when another poster says something about a player, it's just his opinion. When you think something of a player, it becomes a fact?
Right.
Of course the others don't regularly beat Real Madrid and Barcelona. Look at their teams. They'd toy with the PL's so called consistent upset causers. The PL's great "rest" is hyped up only because the top sides are so damn poor.
I doubted your credibility, as did 10 other posters, because we saw a poster rate Spurs' squad only as high as you'd expect a Spurs' fan to.
I'm entitled to laughing at your claims too which I'm definitely doing. I watch La liga. Sure thing.
Don't think he's understood what a fact is yet.
You can quibble with Glaston's tone and the odd statement he makes, but the broad pattern of this thread is people goading or even attacking him over the fact he's a 'high visiblity' Spurs fan rather than what he's saying.
Point taken. Didn't know this word is ban worthy. Mod you can ban me. I can take a break and learn to be a better poster.
I saw you criticize poster again
"Nobody started any personal accusation" you said!Yeah there are no teams that can take the game to the top La Liga sides apart from the top 7 and the ones mentioned.
Malaga hasn't either. Beating Atletico 1-0, drawing twice with Real - at home and at Bernabeu and losing narrowly two times against Barca 0-1 and 1-2 and once at Calderon 1-0. This is this season alone.
Last season they drew against Barca and Atletico and lost narrowly against Real at home and won against Barca at Nou Camp.
But let's not that get in the way of the "facts".
Re: the general basis of the argument over the Spurs squad and their future,
- I don't think we're guaranteed to finish higher than them next season or the season after, although I think we will. They have a quality young manager as well as a more cohesive system and personnel. We're the ones with more work to do. So some of glaston's points are not incorrect.
- At the same time, I disagree with the goat chap's claim that Spurs' squad is as good as Atletico Madrid's or about the same level. A top team in LA liga, one of Europe's best sides, CL finalists and consistent semi/quarter finalists andnconsistent la liga challengers now, are not at the same level as finished second behind Leicester Tottenham Hotspur. Sorry, but that's a ridiculous thing to claim.
- I don't think we're guaranteed to finish higher than them next season or the season after, although I think we will. They have a quality young manager as well as a more cohesive system and personnel. We're the ones with more work to do. So some of glaston's points are not incorrect.
- At the same time, I disagree with the goat chap's claim that Spurs' squad is as good as Atletico Madrid's or about the same level. A top team in LA liga, one of Europe's best sides, CL finalists and consistent semi/quarter finalists andnconsistent la liga challengers now, are not at the same level as finished second behind Leicester Tottenham Hotspur. Sorry, but that's a ridiculous thing to claim.
Or Celta Vigo who were storming in the first part of the season. Battered Barca away from home didn't they? But it doesn't register because they aren't as familiar to people as Southampton or West Ham who people know more intimately.
And haven't Barca consistently failed at Real Sociedad? If I'm not mistaken they have an excellent record against Barcelona of late.
Not only Barca. Sociedad last year beat Real, Atletico and Barca at home.
At Anoeta all top teams struggle. Barca for example has won a single point there since Sociedad got promoted like 6 years ago.
IIRC they have four wins and a draw against Barca in the last five home clashes.
I don't believe this. People say La Liga excepts few popular team are all pushovers.
On serious note, the consistence of the top teams made the gap. PL top teams had been inconsistent this year. Leicester had a great season and showed consistence. Spurs showed more consistence than the so called top clubs this season. How much has Spur improved based on stat, point wise than other seasons?
On serious note, the consistence of the top teams made the gap. PL top teams had been inconsistent this year. Leicester had a great season and showed consistence. Spurs showed more consistence than the so called top clubs this season. How much has Spur improved based on stat, point wise than other seasons?
Do you realise how ridiculous your statement is? Improvement is a result of being poor?
No. Improvement can be compared to and contrasted with being poor, but the improvement itself is down to positive factors - e.g. the construction of world-class training facilities, a big focus on our youth development system, and the largely judicious use of transfer funds.
As for the rest, my posts in this vein have concerned league form and position, not the FA Cup or CL, so most of your stuff about Chelsea's trophy haul is irrelevant.