The state of Guardiola | Regrets Redmond incident

"I'd already got the impression that Barcelona was a little like being back at Ajax, it was like being back at school. None of the lads acted like superstars, which was strange. The whole gang – they were like schoolboys. The best footballers in the world stood there with their heads bowed, and I didn't understand any of it. It was ridiculous", quote from Zlatan about his time at Barcelona.

Zlatan basically thought the best footbalers in the world should behave like egotistical superstars. That's why he failed at Barcelona. Not because of Pep. He just didn't fit in with the club's culture and philosophy at the time.

Don't think so. I think the biggest problem was that he didn't fit into the way Barcelona was playing, along with reducing Messi to an extent. If that wasn't a problem, I'm sure there would be no problem with his behaviour whatsoever.

Especially, as they knew what kind of personality he has when they bought him.
 
Don't think so. I think the biggest problem was that he didn't fit into the way Barcelona was playing, along with reducing Messi to an extent. If that wasn't a problem, I'm sure there would be no problem with his behaviour whatsoever.

Especially, as they knew what kind of personality he has when they bought him.

They didn't know it seems, although there were plenty of signs. Or knew that, but thought he will fit in either way. Poor judgement no matter how you put it. Some things just don't fit. Pep and Zlatan were like complete opposites in terms of personality. I don't think one was very wrong overall (some of their reactions were odd though, for both Pep and Zlatan), as much as I think that they are both unable to change who they are, so a sort of compromise was out of the question.

Barca at the time had a kind of culture that not only dictated how the team played, but how the team worked off the field as well, a sort of internal code of conduct if you may, that you had to adhere to. For footballing matters, they would've found a way to make it work, I'm sure, but off the field issues were insurmountable.
 
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Don't think so. I think the biggest problem was that he didn't fit into the way Barcelona was playing, along with reducing Messi to an extent. If that wasn't a problem, I'm sure there would be no problem with his behaviour whatsoever.

Especially, as they knew what kind of personality he has when they bought him.

Probably a mix of both. Zlatan may have not behaved how he was expected to at Barca but that would've fed into the larger problem of him not fitting into the team etc and not really feeling as if he was a part of it. And he wasn't even that bad for them anyway, still scored a reasonable number of goals.
 
If you're a Barcelona fan you need to defend Pep and the first thing is to criticize Jose for whatever. You need to understand the guy.
fecking tiresome isn't it. The Barca fans run around every Pep thread doing this.
 
only just seen the footage, are people really suggesting he was being positive or complimentary :lol:
he's practically foaming!

i personally don't have a problem with things like this, he's not hurt anyone and Redmond seemed to be laughing at him more than anything
however other managers have been punished for far less so it will be interesting to see if he gets away with it
 
Probably a mix of both. Zlatan may have not behaved how he was expected to at Barca but that would've fed into the larger problem of him not fitting into the team etc and not really feeling as if he was a part of it. And he wasn't even that bad for them anyway, still scored a reasonable number of goals.

Agree, probably mix of both and he wasn't bad. He just wasn't great either which was the expected level when they bought him. And as the season progressed those issues outside of the pitch got highlighted, along with him distancing from the team as a result.

Just have a feeling that those issues would be easily swept under the carpet if he was great on the pitch.
 
I am so surprised no one read his lips and gave us the words he said to Redmond. Don't think it was nice, you just don't say "you are great player" while waving your hands and being in players face like that. And that hug?! Friendly? No. Cmon people, read his lips! Redmond covering his mouth while saying pss off man, probably.
 
Too much cocaine at half time doesn't mix well with a 97th minute winner.
very apt observation given your username :p

Its an interesting point. Do managers/coaches also have to have drug tests? Are they also subject to the same drugs laws as players?

In the case of cocaine, that is obviously illegal in UK law, let alone within sports like football!
 
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very apt observation given your username :p

Its an interesting point. Do managers/coaches also have to have drug tests post match? Are they also subject to the same drugs laws as players?

In the case of cocaine, that is obviously illegal in UK law, let alone within sports like football!


it's not illegal to take cocaine
 
Apparently he was congratulating or telling Redmond he played well, but it was done in a weird manner is what I’ve come to understand.

No he was saying to Remond "You're a good player, you practically destroyed us last season, why are you not playing football in this game". Basically he was insulting Southampton's bus parking. I'm delighted with Pep so far at City but it is what it is and he was out of line.
 
No he was saying to Remond "You're a good player, you practically destroyed us last season, why are you not playing football in this game". Basically he was insulting Southampton's bus parking. I'm delighted with Pep so far at City but it is what it is and he was out of line.
Hahaha ok so a back handed compliment then. I haven’t seen the video but Just from the information I’ve gathered.
 
I am so surprised no one read his lips and gave us the words he said to Redmond. Don't think it was nice, you just don't say "you are great player" while waving your hands and being in players face like that. And that hug?! Friendly? No. Cmon people, read his lips! Redmond covering his mouth while saying pss off man, probably.

I have some expertise in the area. He's saying:

YOU ARE A GREAT PLAYER
YOU SHOULD PLAY AT
NATION
NATION
NATION LEVEL
NATIONAL LEVEL
NATIONAL LEVEL
 
"Hey, man, you don't talk to Pep. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas.."
 
Cos its wrong.
Its illegal to possess it as well, which if the drug is in your system then youre deemed by the law to be in possession of it still.

Don't think you are as there is no evidence to produce in court if prosecuted
 
If you always act like a gentleman and act like a cnut once, you're a cnut pretending to be a gentleman. If you always act like a cnut and act like a gentleman once, you're a gentleman pretending to be a cnut.

Chew on that.
 


Right, so the issue here is moronic standards of conduct being judged inconsistently.

Mourinho didn't deserve the ban for kicking the ban. Unless further evidence comes out which shows that Pep was abusing the player (initial accounts says he wasn't), then he doesn't deserve a ban either.
 
Personally think he is just mental. Maybe that is why he sees the game the way he does. Fans of his teams are okay with his insanity and even find it somewhat endearing. Others not so much. I believe he was complimenting Redmond, but definitely way over the top.



Have you read the new proposed rules by the fa for youth football. They don't even want managers to be able to give instruction during a game. Think it's mental to compare his interactions with an adult and professional and say what about if it was an 8 year old. Most ridiculous point about this I've heard.
 
That espn piece is some kindergarden level journalism btw:lol:

I dont like Pep, but this is just a bit silly.
 
It hasn't though. The only thing that has changed in the last 2 games is that they missed more chances than in previous games. Last night they had 12 shots on target and 9 off target without having top creative players like Silva and Sane. Liverpool who scored 3 goals had 7 on target and United scored 4 goals with 6 shots on target. And they had 75 % possession to boot. Second half Soton had one or two attacks and scored.

It's a legitimate question whether their intensity is sustainable in the PL though. We can only guess now. They will rotate heavily for their game at Shaktar, both teams will be fresh for the Manchester derby.

Nah there's been a very noticeable drop off...from the Arsenal game and possible before. The build up is slower and teams are getting organised in front of them now quicker than they are moving the ball to disorganise them. Southampton also had decent chances and openings last night that it just wasn't possible to get against City in the earlier parts of the season...it doesn't matter if it's only a few attacks a half because City leave themselves so open that you don't really need more than that.

Another tell tale sign is that they have gone from winning games in a way where the result is never in question, to relying on desperate last minute winners, dodgy penalties, own goals etc. They could quite easily have dropped 4 points in the last two games, and if they keep those performances up that is what will start to happen.

When you look at the fixture schedule between now and the new year, I think they will struggle to get their game back up to the early season level. It's a pattern with Pep now too. Happened last season and it happened when he was at Bayern.

Though not to be confused with the fact they still have a very good team so are capable of winning games even when the intensity level drops. It just remains to be seen how capable. 96th minute winners, questionable penalties and own goals aren't really convincing evidence of anything. Those are things that just wont happen in most games.

Relatively more shitty? Because it looks that way, going by the table and the eye test.

Chelsea and United's combined form shows 10 wins in 12 games...and one the two left over was United losing TO Chelsea. The other was Chelsea drawing away at Anfield to Liverpool, who have also been in equally good form. There's nothing shitty about what any of the chasing pack are doing at the moment really...and in some cases there is also room for improvement. If City slip up the gap will get small very quickly.

If City were still winning games 7-2 you might have a point...but their most convincing win in the past month was a 3-1 victory over Arsenal which involved an offside goal and a dodgy penalty, and a bunch of chances being wasted at both ends. People talk like they are invincible but it's based on the early season form where they were charging around like maniacs and suffocating teams. It is simply not possible to do that every game.
 
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Chelsea and United's combined form shows 10 wins in 12 games...and one the two left over was United losing TO Chelsea. The other was Chelsea drawing away at Anfield to Liverpool, who have also been in equally good form. There's nothing shitty about what any of the chasing pack are doing at the moment really...and in some cases there is also room for improvement. If City slip up the gap will get small very quickly.

If City were still winning games 7-2 you might have a point...but their most convincing win in the past month was a 3-1 victory over Arsenal which involved an offside goal and a dodgy penalty, and a bunch of chances being wasted at both ends. People talk like they are invincible but it's based on the early season form where they were charging around like maniacs and suffocating teams. It is simply not possible to do that every game.

I'm wondering why you think the way we and Chelsea play is more sustainable over a season, than City's style of play.
 


Just to give the OP some context.

Obviously waving around accusations of mental illness is a bit OTT but this is a manager who famously walked away from his dream job because he said he couldn’t take the stress of it any more. So I can’t see the problem in analysing his behaviour to see if there’s any signs of an imminent meltdown. Even if this does hurt the feelings of his resident uber-fans.

Have to say the signs are encouraging. Based on this clip anyway.


That's appalling behaviour. If Jose had done the same, the same people defending it now, would be talking about dark arts etc. Pep does it for the love of the game of course.
 
It hasn't though. The only thing that has changed in the last 2 games is that they missed more chances than in previous games. Last night they had 12 shots on target and 9 off target without having top creative players like Silva and Sane. Liverpool who scored 3 goals had 7 on target and United scored 4 goals with 6 shots on target. And they had 75 % possession to boot. Second half Soton had one or two attacks and scored.

It's a legitimate question whether their intensity is sustainable in the PL though. We can only guess now. They will rotate heavily for their game at Shaktar, both teams will be fresh for the Manchester derby.

City play with a greater intensity, but it comes at a cost. We still have the possession, so are more likely to win than lose, but the edge goes missing as the games mount up. Agreed the finishing could be better, but the challenge is to manage fitness, hence intensity, for the rest of the season.

I think we’re better positioned to do that than last season.

I expect reinforcements will arrive in January, which is necessary, as City’s squad is much deeper in numbers than in quality, (despite what many on here think). I still make City favourites, but the title race is far from over, and when you include the likelihood of injuries, anything could happen. However, for United to win the title from here, they will have to start beating top six teams.
 
Nah there's been a very noticeable drop off...from the Arsenal game and possible before. The build up is slower and teams are getting organised in front of them now quicker than they are moving the ball to disorganise them. Southampton also had decent chances and openings last night that it just wasn't possible to get against City in the earlier parts of the season...it doesn't matter if it's only a few attacks a half because City leave themselves so open that you don't really need more than that.

Another tell tale sign is that they have gone from winning games in a way where the result is never in question, to relying on desperate last minute winners, dodgy penalties, own goals etc. They could quite easily have dropped 4 points in the last two games, and if they keep those performances up that is what will start to happen.

When you look at the fixture schedule between now and the new year, I think they will struggle to get their game back up to the early season level. It's a pattern with Pep now too. Happened last season and it happened when he was at Bayern.

Though not to be confused with the fact they still have a very good team so are capable of winning games even when the intensity level drops. It just remains to be seen how capable. 96th minute winners, questionable penalties and own goals aren't really convincing evidence of anything. Those are things that just wont happen in most games.
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I think they run as much as before and continue to create good chances. They had difficult games at the start of the season when they were supposed to be fresh. Their most difficult game was vs Bournemouth in August. It was more difficult than the last 2 games in terms of chances created and conceded. The fact that they needed late goals to win does not imply that they play with less intensity. When you are wasteful, you are bound to rely on late winners. And they were wasteful vs Huddersfied and Soton. Against Soton they didn't start with Silva and Sane who can make quite a difference. In short, I'm not noticing the tendency you are seeing. Might be wrong though.

Not sure about the pattern you are seeing. Last season City won as many points in the second half of the season as they did in the first. They finished strongly despite having then a relatively old squad
 
Just watched the video now, surely there is something wrong with the guy. That isn't normal behaviour.
 
Doesn't surprise me, he's always been a prick and has this sense of entitlement that football should be only played one way. His fanbois are nauseating though, he was out of line on Wednesday and this thread is to discuss that but you get usual non-sense about Mourinho, you don't get an opinion because you're managed by Mourinho. It's so childish.

Nah there's been a very noticeable drop off...from the Arsenal game and possible before. The build up is slower and teams are getting organised in front of them now quicker than they are moving the ball to disorganise them. Southampton also had decent chances and openings last night that it just wasn't possible to get against City in the earlier parts of the season...it doesn't matter if it's only a few attacks a half because City leave themselves so open that you don't really need more than that.

Another tell tale sign is that they have gone from winning games in a way where the result is never in question, to relying on desperate last minute winners, dodgy penalties, own goals etc. They could quite easily have dropped 4 points in the last two games, and if they keep those performances up that is what will start to happen.

When you look at the fixture schedule between now and the new year, I think they will struggle to get their game back up to the early season level. It's a pattern with Pep now too. Happened last season and it happened when he was at Bayern.

Though not to be confused with the fact they still have a very good team so are capable of winning games even when the intensity level drops. It just remains to be seen how capable. 96th minute winners, questionable penalties and own goals aren't really convincing evidence of anything. Those are things that just wont happen in most games.

Their intensity has dropped, no question about it but these 2 draws turned into win might turn out to be the difference in the end. Chelsea went on 13-14 game winning run last season before losing to Spurs but they built up a sizeable lead during that time which was enough to defend over the 2nd half of the season, also I think they'll buy more players in January to compensate for any drop off.