The state of Guardiola | Regrets Redmond incident

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So if guardiola himself regrets it, accepts it was wrong and admits that judging opposition style is something he should get be doing (without mentioning the bizarre circumstance), do people have the permission from the guardiola worshippers to criticise it? And not be accused of having an agenda,

Touch of the Donald trump "I would never judge how a team plays" apart from you know, the times I blatantly do

Prick thing to do, full stop
 
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Ban said:
It was - I'm so happy, happy new year:lol:

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That interview with Pep makes for horribly uncomfortable viewing, he has an extremely nervous demeanour about him, edgy and tense throughout. Stinks of a man with skeletons in his closet.

His meltdown will be of epic proportions when he finally blows his top. I want front row seats on that day.
 
Pexbo said:
It's not being held as an accomplishment, it's being used as proof that it could have worked. City went into the game averaging 3.2 goals a game while conceding 0.6 goals a game. They've rolled over virtually every single side they have played so far by a large margin.

There's not a hope in hell that teams like Southampton or Huddersfield are going to beat them playing attacking, expansive football. They've got to do what they can to snatch whatever point they can and that means digging in and parking the bus. In both cases, the teams with a little rub of the green could have taken a very unexpected point away from the game. It took a crazy deflection to beat Huddersfield and 6 minutes of extra time to beat Southampton.

It's idealist nonsense that manager's like Klopp are guilty of to think you should treat your fans by bringing the game to City. The closest any teams have got to taking points from City is by digging in, giving as little away as possible and feeding on scraps.
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I'd agree with that pratically word for word. City players are technically superior to ours in practically every position bar defense, so the pragmatic approach is absolutely essential when we confront them on the field. Play deep, play dirty, plug the gaps and press like your lives depend on it. Matic, Pogba and Fellaini in a tightly packed midfield 3 will do the trick. Huddersfield and Southampton have shown us that success is possible with the correct approach.

It would be suicide to play an expansive game against a City team who simply do it better than us, why play to their strengths?
 
If only he'd kept his mouth shut and tried to kick Redmond instead this whole thing could've been forgotten about
 
sk6blue said:
If only he'd kept his mouth shut and tried to kick Redmond instead this whole thing could've been forgotten about
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:lol: another completely unnecessary comparison. This is a stand alone incident why not judge it as one. Also, welcome to the forums, think we'll have to change the banner to red and blue soon
 
Random Task said:
I'd agree with that pratically word for word. City players are technically superior to ours in practically every position bar defense, so the pragmatic approach is absolutely essential when we confront them on the field. Play deep, play dirty, plug the gaps and press like your lives depend on it. Matic, Pogba and Fellaini in a tightly packed midfield 3 will do the trick. Huddersfield and Southampton have shown us that success is possible with the correct approach.

It would be suicide to play an expansive game against a City team who simply do it better than us, why play to their strengths?
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The opposite really. Pogba, Mkhi, Mata, Martial, Zlatan, Rashford are not technically inferior at all. They are not Neymar but they are not inferior to what City have got. It is the defence that is clearly technically inferior with Bailly and Smalling looking so uncomfortable on the ball.

I also agree that we have no choice but to park an aircraft against them next week because if we want to actually go toe to toe against them, that's a tactic that you cannot just adopt on game day, it is something you need to have been working on and building towards for a long period as it requires time, practice and every resource available. We have shown no interest in building towards that which is the real question leaving us with one option come game day; defend and hope.
 
Pexbo said:
It's not being held as an accomplishment, it's being used as proof that it could have worked. City went into the game averaging 3.2 goals a game while conceding 0.6 goals a game. They've rolled over virtually every single side they have played so far by a large margin.
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City won both matches with perfectly legit goals. The approach of Huddersfield and Southampton proved nothing regarding the possibility of bearing City.

Pexbo said:
There's not a hope in hell that teams like Southampton or Huddersfield are going to beat them playing attacking, expansive football. They've got to do what they can to snatch whatever point they can and that means digging in and parking the bus. In both cases, the teams with a little rub of the green could have taken a very unexpected point away from the game. It took a crazy deflection to beat Huddersfield and 6 minutes of extra time to beat Southampton.
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Yeah, not the way they set up. Now if they set up without requiring 9 men plus the keeper behind the ball at all times, and created enough chances that they didn't need to be ultra clinical with the one or two shots on goal they each had, maybe they would have had a chance.

Pexbo said:
It's idealist nonsense that manager's like Klopp are guilty of to think you should treat your fans by bringing the game to City. The closest any teams have got to taking points from City is by digging in, giving as little away as possible and feeding on scraps.
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Why is there no level of nuance here? It's not a choice of leaving your defence open or parking the bus. You can defend intelligently and attack as a team without sending your lone striker running after hoofed balls.

What happens to a team that has practiced how not to play football all week, once they've conceded a goal?
 
Random Task said:
That interview with Pep makes for horribly uncomfortable viewing, he has an extremely nervous demeanour about him, edgy and tense throughout. Stinks of a man with skeletons in his closet.

His meltdown will be of epic proportions when he finally blows his top. I want front row seats on that day.
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Yep. He's neurotic as hell.
 
SER19 said:
:lol: another completely unnecessary comparison. This is a stand alone incident why not judge it as one. Also, welcome to the forums, think we'll have to change the banner to red and blue soon
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I wasn't entirely serious tbf :lol:

The FA do make some incomprehensible decisions at times though, a better comparison would be Wenger anyway with his recent comments about Sterling!

Thanks for the welcome, I've been lurking for ages as there always some good discussion in the "neutral" forum. I've seen there's a few other City fans signing up recently, hopefully we all keep it civil :angel:
 
adexkola said:
City won both matches with perfectly legit goals. The approach of Huddersfield and Southampton proved nothing regarding the possibility of bearing City.
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And yet it's the closest anyone has got to beating them this season.


adexkola said:
Yeah, not the way they set up. Now if they set up without requiring 9 men plus the keeper behind the ball at all times, and created enough chances that they didn't need to be ultra clinical with the one or two shots on goal they each had, maybe they would have had a chance.
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They might have scored more than one goal that way but you really think they'd have scored more than City?


adexkola said:
Why is there no level of nuance here? It's not a choice of leaving your defence open or parking the bus. You can defend intelligently and attack as a team without sending your lone striker running after hoofed balls.

What happens to a team that has practiced how not to play football all week, once they've conceded a goal?
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Because you're talking about Huddersfield or Southampton somehow finding a perfect balance of attack and defence to beat City. Considering City's attack and midfield is light years ahead of Southampton's, have you considered that the ideal balance for them to beat them is with 9 men behind the ball and an opportunity or two won?

Once they've conceded then they have to be a little more daring, that's obvious but it's a game of chance. Southampton's chances of getting a point a greatly increased by digging in and trying to nick a point. Attacking City away from home is a fools errand.


Arsenal and Liverpool, both better sides than Southampton and Huddersfield tried to play football against them and conceded 8 goals between them with only Arsenal scoring once. I don't know what's so difficult to understand?
 
Irrational. said:
Redmond is just playing down the comments like a professional. That, or he hopes to play under Guardiola one day. We'll never know what was said exactly. Pep's still a cnut though.
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So Pep has explained what happened, Redmond has come out and confirmed everything word for word. Yet you still think one or both are not quite telling the whole story?
sk6blue said:
I wasn't entirely serious tbf :lol:

The FA do make some incomprehensible decisions at times though, a better comparison would be Wenger anyway with his recent comments about Sterling!

Thanks for the welcome, I've been lurking for ages as there always some good discussion in the "neutral" forum. I've seen there's a few other City fans signing up recently, hopefully we all keep it civil :angel:
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It certainly beats Bluemoon.
 
I am no fan of Guardiola, but he strikes me as the kind of football nerd who is deeply obsessed about the game's finer details and completely absorbs himself in it. So its' clear he forgets himself at times and has to communicate something he feels on the spur of the moment.

Obviously, it isn't proper decorum, but he is what he is. Pep is certainly smug when he's winning, but I don't think he intended any harm by this incident.
 
Kapardin said:
I am no fan of Guardiola, but he strikes me as the kind of football nerd who is deeply obsessed about the game's finer details and completely absorbs himself in it. So its' clear he forgets himself at times and has to communicate something he feels on the spur of the moment.

Obviously, it isn't proper decorum, but he is what he is. Pep is certainly smug when he's winning, but I don't think he intended any harm by this incident.
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Nah, he just doesn't like it when teams don't follow suit and do what makes it easier for him - same as Klopp.

He's a fecking idiot, feck him. Can't wait til he fecks off, just hope we've got still got Mourinho then.
 
sk6blue said:
I wasn't entirely serious tbf :lol:

The FA do make some incomprehensible decisions at times though, a better comparison would be Wenger anyway with his recent comments about Sterling!

Thanks for the welcome, I've been lurking for ages as there always some good discussion in the "neutral" forum. I've seen there's a few other City fans signing up recently, hopefully we all keep it civil :angel:
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Civil is good, banter is better.

At least you're not a City fan disguised as a United fan, this place is swarming with secret agents right now, and they are hell bent on causing discontent among good honest United fans.

No, I'm absolutely not paranoid.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Nah, he just doesn't like it when teams don't follow suit and do what makes it easier for him - same as Klopp.

He's a fecking idiot, feck him. Can't wait til he fecks off, just hope we've got still got Mourinho then.
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When he fecks off there won't be a Moyes following him into the hot seat, believe me.
 
adexkola said:
Another slightly unrelated point, but I'm not sure why people get precious when managers criticize cowardly park the bus tactics. Imagine being a Southampton fan and watching your team set up to entirely foil the opposition.
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When are, clearly, inferior teams ever called cowardly for setting up to frustrate the clearly superior team? It's generally called smart, as far as I'm aware.

The term cowardice is reserved for managers who have plentiful, or equal to, means compared to their opponent and opt for negative, spoiling tactics like they are inferior or scared of an open game.

I'm sure Southampton's fans went home disgruntled at nearly drawing the game and not broken like they would have been off the back of a 4+ goal mauling in an attempt to play an open game.
 
Fortitude said:
When are, clearly, inferior teams ever called cowardly for setting up to frustrate the clearly superior team? It's generally called smart, as far as I'm aware.
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It's not smart if it doesn't work. Is it proven that parking the bus works more than playing in a balanced way?

Fortitude said:
The term cowardice is reserved for managers who have plentiful, or equal to, means compared to their opponent and opt for negative, spoiling tactics like they are inferior or scared of an open game.

I'm sure Southampton's fans went home disgruntled at nearly drawing the game and not broken like they would have been off the back of a 4+ goal mauling in an attempt to play an open game.
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It makes no difference whether they went behind in the 1st minute or 90th minute. That was a wasted effort of throwing bodies behind the ball without any sense of cohesion. What if they lost 1-0 while playing more measured, or even 2-0? Wouldn't that serve them better in the long run?
 
adexkola said:
It's not smart if it doesn't work. Is it proven that parking the bus works more than playing in a balanced way?
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It's not a cup competition; there is morale and fatigue to consider on top of the isolated result. Playing open football against a clearly superior side has the potential to result in a hammering. Self-preservation for that game, and others, is paramount. There's no level where it makes sense for sides like Southampton to attack a side like Manchester City.

adexkola said:
It makes no difference whether they went behind in the 1st minute or 90th minute. That was a wasted effort of throwing bodies behind the ball without any sense of cohesion. What if they lost 1-0 while playing more measured, or even 2-0? Wouldn't that serve them better in the long run?
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As above. A narrow loss can even gee up the players and elevate their self-belief; a brutal hammering can easily send those players into freefall or knock confidence to the extent it is noticeable. Southampton were a final kick of the ball away from earning a well-deserved draw - that makes a difference to the team and support alike.
 
Theonas said:
The opposite really. Pogba, Mkhi, Mata, Martial, Zlatan, Rashford are not technically inferior at all. They are not Neymar but they are not inferior to what City have got. It is the defence that is clearly technically inferior with Bailly and Smalling looking so uncomfortable on the ball.

I also agree that we have no choice but to park an aircraft against them next week because if we want to actually go toe to toe against them, that's a tactic that you cannot just adopt on game day, it is something you need to have been working on and building towards for a long period as it requires time, practice and every resource available. We have shown no interest in building towards that which is the real question leaving us with one option come game day; defend and hope.
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Of those you mention, only Pogba, Martial and Zlatan equivalently compare to that of their City counterparts, but that's just my opinion and it is entirely up for debate. Regardless, I do feel that City, as a cohesive unit, are clearly superior technically and their football is testament to that fact.
 
He's a weirdo, I don't like him but I cannot see much wrong in it. If Redmond doesn't feel offended or whatever then it's just Poop being weird.
 
Redmond is just being professional about it, really. Guardiola was being a bit of a nutter IMO.
 
He's a strange dude and he does actually look coked out of it BUT he's assembled a great team and has them playing really well. Unfortunately for us. I can't see him lasting years and years though. He's too volatile. Then again where does he go from there? Spainish NT? PSG?
 
Ali Dia said:
He's a strange dude and he does actually look coked out of it BUT he's assembled a great team and has them playing really well. Unfortunately for us. I can't see him lasting years and years though. He's too volatile. Then again where does he go from there? Spainish NT? PSG?
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Spanish national team, after his support for Catalonia's independence? Not likely.
 
adexkola said:
Another slightly unrelated point, but I'm not sure why people get precious when managers criticize cowardly park the bus tactics. Imagine being a Southampton fan and watching your team set up to entirely foil the opposition.
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adexkola said:
It's not smart if it doesn't work. Is it proven that parking the bus works more than playing in a balanced way?



It makes no difference whether they went behind in the 1st minute or 90th minute. That was a wasted effort of throwing bodies behind the ball without any sense of cohesion. What if they lost 1-0 while playing more measured, or even 2-0? Wouldn't that serve them better in the long run?
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Yeah they should take the Bournemouth approach that they took the last two visits to Etihad. Play bravely and expansively and lose 4-0 and 5-1 but least they would have played football the right way.
I don't know what planet you're living on, but I don't remember any mid table or lower mid table club going to the Etihad recently and securing a result not playing completely defensively.
There's also nothing to serve them better in the long run, it's a one off game away to city who they won't play again away this season.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Yeah they should take the Bournemouth approach that they took the last two visits to Etihad. Play bravely and expansively and lose 4-0 and 5-1 but least they would have played football the right way.
I don't know what planet you're living on, but I don't remember any mid table or lower mid table club going to the Etihad recently and securing a result not playing completely defensively.
There's also nothing to serve them better in the long run, it's a one off game away to city who they won't play again away this season.
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Did you watch those games, and was their approach any different?
 
In the past we have seen sides like Swansea and Southampton have had good results against top sides without bus parking.
 
I've noticed that some individuals believe that grandiloquent and theatrical behavior are sign of superior intelligence.
 
Quite a fair bit of Basil Fawlty about Guardiola,could be an epic meltdown later in the season if City start to falter!
 
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