Pfft. You see everything as proof of confirmation bias.You don't sayconfirmation bias has been a thing since the beginning of Facebook and Twitter and it's going to get so so worse.
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Oh ok... Well here's my response to another poster.
Can be applied to posters on both sides of the argument, basically I tend to look at things critically and also try and find the sources for any information I get. If I don't find satisfactory sources I don't take it as fact and I definitely don't pass it off as fact.
Ah thanks. Slightly misinterpreted what you meant.
To bring back the discussion to the Russian hacking.
If they flipped votes, then the Electors should not vote for Trump.
But in any other case they should vote per how the voters voted.
If they flipped votes, then the Electors should not vote for Trump.
But in any other case they should vote per how the voters voted.
I agree. I hate being on the losing side - but the people have *sort of* spoken. Trump won where he had to and that's all that matters. If some of these electors feel they can't carry out their duties, they should resign - otherwise, do what you are supposed to do.
I know if Hillary had won, and there was talk like this, I would be irate.
I know we are on a football forum.
But we need to set aside the Tribal mentality.
Who we like/support is not the issue.
If we believe in Democracy and the rules these elections were conducted under, we must honour the results.
Otherwise we have anarchy.
But the hackings need to be investigated. The full findings with the exception about how it was done must be revealed to the public.
People Trump met today -
Kanye - weirdo
Ray Lewis - murderer
Jim Brown - LEGEND.
Kanye - weirdo
Ray Lewis - murderer
Jim Brown - LEGEND.
If all the fake news was what decided the election, why wasn't it the main topic of discussion before the election? The mainstream media has been going on and on about fake news for a month. If they genuinely believe that there was a lot of fake news which was crucial to the election outcome, they should have paid more attention and given more coverage to it. Instead they started covering it after the election.
It seems like the fake news is just an excuse for the election loss. The Dems ran a bad candidate who had so much history of being disliked by the electorate and had so much history of corruption, untrustworthiness and being in the pocket of corporate interests and lobbyists. She had the email case and was under investigation. They still ran her and sabotaged a genuinely well liked candidate in Sanders.
Now after the election, the Dems still refuse to recognise the reason for their loss. They, along with the mainstream media, have made the issue of "fake news" the main reason for their loss. Not their horrible candidate, not the fact that they didn't run Bernie Sanders, not the reason of the DNC leaks, not the email scandal, not the paid speeches by their candidate, not Clinton's failure to convey a clear message to the middle and working class, not her vague campaign slogans like "I'm with her" and "Stronger together".
It seems like the fake news is just an excuse for the election loss. The Dems ran a bad candidate who had so much history of being disliked by the electorate and had so much history of corruption, untrustworthiness and being in the pocket of corporate interests and lobbyists. She had the email case and was under investigation. They still ran her and sabotaged a genuinely well liked candidate in Sanders.
Now after the election, the Dems still refuse to recognise the reason for their loss. They, along with the mainstream media, have made the issue of "fake news" the main reason for their loss. Not their horrible candidate, not the fact that they didn't run Bernie Sanders, not the reason of the DNC leaks, not the email scandal, not the paid speeches by their candidate, not Clinton's failure to convey a clear message to the middle and working class, not her vague campaign slogans like "I'm with her" and "Stronger together".
I do believe the fake news issue is overblown. But, I am not going to kill Clinton's campaign. It was not perfect but, she lost to someone who ran objectively the worst Presidential campaign ever so none of this stuff probably matters.
Yeah I think it was vague campaign slogans that really hurt this Election. MAGA!
Sup dawg...
Meanwhile, people that cited the economy as their number 1 concern voted for Clinton by 10 points. Ho hum.
what you say involes taking responsibility.
Do you think the DNC and Hillary especially have ever done that?
Pretty sure I heard them do that again last night (e.g. they could have campaigned harder in the close states and their internal numbers were badly wrong). It is possible for more than one input impacting a result.
So the economy was not the driver. Making a new swamp is just fine and cheered at the thank you rallies. Goldman Sachs execs being involved is now fine. Not locking her up is now OK. Conflict of interest is now fine. Pay to play is now fine. What is left that his campaign was about?
Is the US officially a petrostate now?
And Keith Ellison is favourite to become the DNC chair. But who cares about reality when there's an agenda to push.
There was a bit about a wall that he's not gonna build and some stuff about Muslims that isn't possible.
Agreed. There is nothing I would like more than to find a way for him not to take the Presidency. But the integrity of the system has to be maintained. It's democracy. fecked up democracy, but democracy nonetheless.
the point being made is she should never have been nominated with all her negatives. And after she was, she should have had a message. not just demonise Trump.
That's some awful amount of guff there. If the poster really wants, I'd be happy to elaborate but I'd rather not have to.
It really is a load of shite. I sincerely hope he's not promoted anytime soon, we have more than enough self-righteous, holier than thou, aggressive types as it is.
I disagree, promote him immediately to stimulate discussion.
Could do with some more alternative points of view in here.
However he needs to show more eloquence ironically and use more expressive and visceral language to illustrate his points.
I am 100% confident Trump will watch the Kim sex tape this evening and Kanye will scream at the kardashians that trump told him he wasn't fecking crazy and he could win the 2024 election. I'm also sure Steve Bannon will have a few words about that handshake and shoulder tap.Sup dawg...
I was being sarca..... Never mind.
That is fine by me as long as the Democrates obstruct him as much as republicans obstructed Obama.
Ever post you make in this thread is dripping with condescension.
You entitled prick.
And people like you wonder why he won.
Clinton certainly won a huge majority among minorities and that gave her a majority among the poor overall...Poor whites I don't know about, and I'm sure Trump won a lot moe of them than Romney and mcCain.
The others who voted for him are the Republican base (the real basket of deplorables :P )
Ever post you make in this thread is dripping with condescension.
You entitled prick.
And people like you wonder why he won.
No need for the insult was there? You also couldnt be more wrong about being entitled but nvm.
And no, I don't wonder why he won, I've said many times why he won and it was down to a myriad of reasons. I just think it's sad, and will end in epic failure and ultimately the people who need the most help will lose the most.
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Yeah, it was the overall swing among those groups that was the big thing, rather than the headline figures.
There is a lot to be critical about Barack Obama as President but, boy has he always said the right thing. I will definitely miss that about him.
You know what I meant. She didn't articulate to the electorate what she would do as President. Most of what she eventually said policy wise was policies she adopted as a compromise after Bernie agreed to endorse her in return for a progressive platform. If you are running for the Presidency, you must sell to the public what your presidency would look like. She spectacularly failed to do that, both this time and when she ran in 2008. That was another total mess of a campaign.
The DNC and Hillary don't know the meaning of the word "responsibility".
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