The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll

How's your immunity looking? Had covid - vote twice - vax status and then again for infection status

  • Vaxxed but no booster

  • Boostered

  • Still waiting in queue for first vaccine dose

  • Won't get vaxxed (unless I have to for travel/work etc)

  • Past infection with covid + I've been vaccinated

  • Past infection with covid - I've not been vaccinated


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Still all begs the question (even if Astrazeneca claims are true, and those truly are for covax and EU) why twice as many doses as delivered are in a single warehouse "Waiting to be shipped and distributed". It's not like there's any urgency.
 
Still all begs the question (even if Astrazeneca claims are true, and those truly are for covax and EU) why twice as many doses as delivered are in a single warehouse "Waiting to be shipped and distributed". It's not like there's any urgency.

They were obviously not for the EU, whatever AZ say. They're earmarked for export and when the export controls came in they've decided to put them to one side until it's resolved - according to the press and various ministers anyway.

It was a tip off from the EU followed by a police investigation that found them, not anything from AZ themselves. They were happily keeping the stockpile quiet.
 
The EU now realises it has been naive. Having exported 40m doses and gotten 0 from any other country outside the bloc, the change of policy is necessary. 450 million people to vaccinate and it needs to start happening.
 
They were obviously not for the EU, whatever AZ say. They're earmarked for export and when the export controls came in they've decided to put them to one side until it's resolved - according to the press and various ministers anyway.

It was a tip off from the EU followed by a police investigation that found them, not anything from AZ themselves. They were happily keeping the stockpile quiet.

Jaysus.
 
They were obviously not for the EU, whatever AZ say. They're earmarked for export and when the export controls came in they've decided to put them to one side until it's resolved - according to the press and various ministers anyway.

It was a tip off from the EU followed by a police investigation that found them, not anything from AZ themselves. They were happily keeping the stockpile quiet.
I seriously doubt the U.K. were about to receive 16m AZ doses - we only have 21m left to vaccinate after mid April - but if we were AZ have now declared these are going to EU countries. If they were contractually obliged to give them to the U.K. I think we’d probably have something to say about them being taken - at the very least we’d use them to bargain to ensure no Pfizer gets blocked.
 
I seriously doubt the U.K. were about to receive 16m AZ doses - we only have 21m left to vaccinate after mid April - but if we were AZ have now declared these are going to EU countries. If they were contractually obliged to give them to the U.K. I think we’d probably have something to say about them being taken - at the very least we’d use them to bargain to ensure no Pfizer gets blocked.

Yeah it makes no sense. It seems people are just getting sucked into the propaganda.
 
I seriously doubt the U.K. were about to receive 16m AZ doses - we only have 21m left to vaccinate after mid April - but if we were AZ have now declared these are going to EU countries. If they were contractually obliged to give them to the U.K. I think we’d probably have something to say about them being taken - at the very least we’d use them to bargain to ensure no Pfizer gets blocked.

This stockpile has been building since the beginning of February when the shipments stopped leaving the factory. It's not one shipment that's just been seized. It's 16m over the last 2 months.

Nobody has said exactly what numbers were going where, AZ are not talking, but ministers have said the shipments from that factory before February all went to the UK so they assume that's where these were going too.
 
Are those doses the ones Andrew Marr was referring to the other morning? The ones that for some unknown reason the EU aren't getting out to their citizens?
 
Are those doses the ones Andrew Marr was referring to the other morning? The ones that for some unknown reason the EU aren't getting out to their citizens?

No, those are the doses that are reserved for second jabs. Not sure about the rest of Europe but Italy was keeping 30% of supply aside for that and has now reduced it to 2%.
 
No, those are the doses that are reserved for second jabs. Not sure about the rest of Europe but Italy was keeping 30% of supply aside for that and has now reduced it to 2%.

That aren't stocking up for second jabs before getting the first ones in are they?!
 
That aren't stocking up for second jabs before getting the first ones in are they?!

That policy was in place when supplies were uncertain. We needed to make sure anybody who had the first jab would be able to get the second dose within the correct timeframe. Now supplies are more reliable it has been relaxed.

We didn't just chance it like the UK ;)
 
That policy was in place when supplies were uncertain. We needed to make sure anybody who had the first jab would be able to get the second dose within the correct timeframe. Now supplies are more reliable it has been relaxed.

We didn't just chance it like the UK ;)

I had no idea that's what you have been doing. Jesus. Just get it out to people ASAP. The UK may have chanced it a bit but having the balls has paid off massively by the looks of it.
 
This stockpile has been building since the beginning of February when the shipments stopped leaving the factory. It's not one shipment that's just been seized. It's 16m over the last 2 months.

Nobody has said exactly what numbers were going where, AZ are not talking, but ministers have said the shipments from that factory before February all went to the UK so they assume that's where these were going too.

WTF is going on? 16 million doses have been sitting in a warehouse for two months when they could be going into arms? That’s fecking infuriating. Why aren’t they being released?
 
I had no idea that's what you have been doing. Jesus. Just get it out to people ASAP. The UK may have chanced it a bit but having the balls has paid off massively by the looks of it.

I agree, now. Back in January I wouldn't have. Europe has been taking the most cautious approach to vaccination and in Italy my provinces' biggest concern is finding a new vaccination centre because some regional bureaucrat visited the old one and said it wasn't pretty enough.

WTF is going on? 16 million doses have been sitting in a warehouse for two months when they could be going into arms? That’s fecking infuriating. Why aren’t they being released?

Nobody knows. AZ aren't saying. At least it will sort out the European supply for a few weeks though.
 
and in Italy my provinces' biggest concern is finding a new vaccination centre because some regional bureaucrat visited the old one and said it wasn't pretty enough.

please tell me that’s not true :lol:

we’ve just put tents up in a local fire station
 
Whether the EU have the AZ vaccines or not, will there be the required public uptake if offered?

Having the doses is one thing, but it's sort of redundant if people are too petrified to take it. Speaking with colleagues based in Bulgaria where there was a tiny AZ vaccine roll-out (literally around 50 over-60s) and the vast majority apparently refused to take it when they found out which vaccine they'd be receiving. Of course this is hearsay to an extent, but it appears to be in-line with a lot of recent public opinion polls towards AZ from across the continent.
 
I had no idea that's what you have been doing. Jesus. Just get it out to people ASAP. The UK may have chanced it a bit but having the balls has paid off massively by the looks of it.

AZ press releases on their efficacy and EU buffoonery in getting people jabbed will be my two side stories for my grandkids if I'm alive for another few decades.

It's like AZ and the EU are just trolling us for the craic.
 
please tell me that’s not true :lol:

we’ve just put tents up in a local fire station

They were building a big tent on some wasteland near the railway station. Apparently it was 'disgusting' and said bureaucrat called up a lakefront villa and we will now all be going there instead.

Welcome to Italy :lol:


Please tell me they’re going back into circulation now?

Well AZ is trying to pretend they were intended for Europe all along! So i assume they will be back in circulation pretty shortly.
 
Whether the EU have the AZ vaccines or not, will there be the required public uptake if offered?

Having the doses is one thing, but it's sort of redundant if people are too petrified to take it. Speaking with colleagues based in Bulgaria where there was a tiny AZ vaccine roll-out (literally around 50 over-60s) and the vast majority apparently refused to take it when they found out which vaccine they'd be receiving. Of course this is hearsay to an extent, but it appears to be in-line with a lot of recent public opinion polls towards AZ from across the continent.
Those 30m vaccines would be taken as soon as they could be got. The majority of places are gagging for vaccines.

Saying that the AZ does seem to be the Wish of vaccines.
 
They were building a big tent on some wasteland near the railway station. Apparently it was 'disgusting' and said bureaucrat called up a lakefront villa and we will now all be going there instead.

Welcome to Italy :lol:

Jesus wept :lol:
 
They were in Italy to be filled before going back to Belgium for distribution. 13m to COVAX countries and the remaining to be distributed across the EU in April. So basically the Italians have raided a vaccine filling factory and discovered it contained...vaccines!
:lol:
 
Has anyone taken the Moderna Vaccine?
Is it 2 doses too and any side effects please?
 
She keeps forgetting to take the brown one but carries the blue one on walks. I'd say every time we go for a walk she uses it once and then she's fine.

I did this for years...neglecting to take my preventor inhaler and just using my blue one. Always thought I had pretty mild asthma because I was physically fit and the blue one seemed to 'control it' fine.

Then one day it didn't.

I started wheezing just while lying down watching a movie with my Mum. Took my blue inhaler, nothing happened. Took more and more puffs but I just kept getting worse. Eventually I realised it was getting serious; I felt the classic 'sense of impending doom', I was literally gasping for breath but it wasn't coming...told my Mum to call an ambulance and that was the last thing I remember. Apparently I collapsed seconds later.

Ended up in ICU/HDU for nearly two weeks. Was on the verge of getting ventilated when I first went in, due to how high my carbon dioxide levels were, how low my oxygen levels were (mid 70s) and the fear of brain damage/death that comes with those.

When I eventually recovered they termed it a 'Near Fatal Asthma Attack' - and told me it was entirely down to me not using my preventor inhaler. One doctor was really scathing...said how irresponsible it was to come a coin toss away from death, leaving my family behind, because of something that takes 30 seconds a day.

Since then I've literally never missed a dose. I know I probably read stories exactly like this and ignored them, thinking it wouldn't happen to me, but you should really press your girlfriend to make it a priority to take her preventor.
 
I did this for years...neglecting to take my preventor inhaler and just using my blue one. Always thought I had pretty mild asthma because I was physically fit and the blue one seemed to 'control it' fine.

Then one day it didn't.

I started wheezing just while lying down watching a movie with my Mum. Took my blue inhaler, nothing happened. Took more and more puffs but I just kept getting worse. Eventually I realised it was getting serious; I felt the classic 'sense of impending doom', I was literally gasping for breath but it wasn't coming...told my Mum to call an ambulance and that was the last thing I remember. Apparently I collapsed seconds later.

Ended up in ICU/HDU for nearly two weeks. Was on the verge of getting ventilated when I first went in, due to how high my carbon dioxide levels were, how low my oxygen levels were (mid 70s) and the fear of brain damage/death that comes with those.

When I eventually recovered they termed it a 'Near Fatal Asthma Attack' - and told me it was entirely down to me not using my preventor inhaler. One doctor was really scathing...said how irresponsible it was to come a coin toss away from death, leaving my family behind, because of something that takes 30 seconds a day.

Since then I've literally never missed a dose. I know I probably read stories exactly like this and ignored them, thinking it wouldn't happen to me, but you should really press your girlfriend to make it a priority to take her preventor.

Well that’s terrifying! She’s not had the brown one for years tbf. Only since the pandemic she got her inhalers renewed just in case as early on we didn’t really know too much. I don’t think she has actually been explicitly told to use the brown one regularly but I’ll have to check.
 
Had my second dose of Pfizer today around 4:20pm, feeling a bit dodgy at the moment, but i've heard that the second dose can be pretty bad side effects wise.
 
Has anyone taken the Moderna Vaccine?
Is it 2 doses too and any side effects please?
My wife has had her 1st of 2 shots a couple of weeks back. No side effects.
Her 2nd shot is due on April 7th, 4 weeks after the 1st so I'll know more then.
Her Da, who's 86, was a bit tired after his 2nd Moderna shot - but he's 86.....other than that nothing.
 
Has anyone taken the Moderna Vaccine?
Is it 2 doses too and any side effects please?

I had the first dose 3 weeks ago. My arm was very sore the second day but got better over the next few days. Other than that, I felt a little achy and slight chills around bedtime the second day. Nothing substantial though. The second dose is typically where the immune response is more noticeable. Most of my family had Moderna and only had headache, aches, chills, or other symptoms for about 12-24 hours (to be clear, each person had one or two of the symptoms, not all).
 
All my mates the same age have been vaccinated in the UK, I don't expect mine any time soon. Mainland Europe is a disgraceful shitshow.
 
Going very slow here also. Johnson&Johnson also not delivering as promised now.
 
Does anyone understand the EU-AstraZeneca controversy? I have no idea what's even true anymore.