The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll

How's your immunity looking? Had covid - vote twice - vax status and then again for infection status

  • Vaxxed but no booster

  • Boostered

  • Still waiting in queue for first vaccine dose

  • Won't get vaxxed (unless I have to for travel/work etc)

  • Past infection with covid + I've been vaccinated

  • Past infection with covid - I've not been vaccinated

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Pexbo said:
Not complete it this year. We debated it a while back, there was an article saying the UK give over 50s booster jabs when second doses are complete and I predicted that would be expanded down the age groups to anyone who wants one. I still expect that to be the case.
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Would have hoped there were some limits to the selfishness of developed countries.
 
Had another rough night (albeit not as bad as the first one) with Moderna but woke up ok. Almost no pain anywhere anymore and no feber. Other than a spot of tiredness, I'm doing ok. It's been definitely worth it and feels like a small price to pay.
 
RoyH1 said:
Had another rough night (albeit not as bad as the first one) with Moderna but woke up ok. Almost no pain anywhere anymore and no feber. Other than a spot of tiredness, I'm doing ok. It's been definitely worth it and feels like a small price to pay.
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I am quite surprised. I am taking two days off from work for the Moderna second jab because I heard about how much worse the second is as compared to the first one.
 
Going to try my luck at getting my 2nd dose today at the local vaccine centre. I have an appointment for tomorrow but the council just announced that tomorrow for one day only it will be a walk-in for anyone who wants the vaccine. This place couldn't cope the last time I went on a Saturday when it was appointment only so given the extra footfall I'd love to avoid having to get it there tomorrow.
 
I got wiped out by fatigue last evening after getting the first dose of Moderna the day before. Could barely stand long enough to make myself a salad for dinner before sleeping for 10 hours. I don't think even my COVID infection was that taxing. Much better today though.
 
Heading into the Aviva for my first bash of Pfizer now. Absolutely scorching outside and I presume I'll spend the next 2 hours queueing.
 
My second one was supposed to be 31st July but I've managed to move it to tomorrow as they had a cancellation.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Cases doubling every days in almost fully vaccinated population. Can’t really blame them going all in on the vaccines to try and nip this in the bud. Certainly makes more sense than the UK approach!
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It's a difficult one for me. I suppose it doesn't surprise me but I do blame them. Putting national interests front and centre is a normal thing, and in some ways a healthy thing, but it comes with a lot of nasty consequences. It seems likely that immunosuppressed people will benefit from the booster, but given the evidence is pretty slim so far, it's potentially very wasteful.

Personally I couldn't stand by a decision to offer booster shots in the UK (or anywhere else) when the situation globally is so precarious. I just can't relate to that sense of prioritisation.

Africa is in its deadliest stage of the pandemic so far, and there is little relief in sight.

The more contagious Delta variant is sweeping across the continent. Namibia and Tunisia are reporting more deaths per capita than any other country. Hospitals across the continent are filling up, oxygen supplies and medical workers are stretched thin, and recorded deaths jumped 40 percent last week alone.

But only about 1 percent of Africans have been fully vaccinated. And even the African Union’s modest goal of inoculating 20 percent of the population by the end of this year seems out of reach.

Rich nations have bought up most doses long into the future, often far more than they could conceivably need. Hundreds of millions of shots from a global vaccine-sharing effort have failed to materialize.

Supplies to African countries are unlikely to increase much in the next few months, rendering vaccines, the most effective tool against Covid, of little use in the current wave. Instead, many countries are resorting to lockdowns and curfews.

Even a year from now, supplies may not be enough to meet demand from Africa’s 1.3 billion people unless richer countries share their stockpiles and rethink how the distribution system should work.

“The blame squarely lies with the rich countries,” said Dr. Githinji Gitahi, a commissioner with Africa Covid-19 Response, a continental task force. “A vaccine delayed is a vaccine denied.”
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Brwned said:
It's a difficult one for me. I suppose it doesn't surprise me but I do blame them. Putting national interests front and centre is a normal thing, and in some ways a healthy thing, but it comes with a lot of nasty consequences. It seems likely that immunosuppressed people will benefit from the booster, but given the evidence is pretty slim so far, it's potentially very wasteful.

Personally I couldn't stand by a decision to offer booster shots in the UK (or anywhere else) when the situation globally is so precarious. I just can't relate to that sense of prioritisation.
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Can't really blame them, I felt the same way about below 50s being vaccinated in rich countries before frontline healthcare workers in the poor ones. Where do you draw this arbitrary line? It's pretty obvious it's a case of the rich countries first in however they see fit and feck the rest.
 
Some more real world evidence from Italy on the vaccines' ability to stop the virus.

Over the last 2 weeks 772 unvaccinated have been admitted to hospital against 80 fully vaccinated and 89 partially vaccinated. 80 unvaccinated are in intensive care vs. 4 and 10. 169 dead vs 17 and 29. Also worth noting the vaccinated deaths were in extreme age groups of 80+. For the unvaccinated the worst impact is on the 40-80 age groups.

In Italian only, page 31:
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/corona...eglianza-integrata-COVID-19_7-luglio-2021.pdf
 
Brwned said:
It's a difficult one for me. I suppose it doesn't surprise me but I do blame them. Putting national interests front and centre is a normal thing, and in some ways a healthy thing, but it comes with a lot of nasty consequences. It seems likely that immunosuppressed people will benefit from the booster, but given the evidence is pretty slim so far, it's potentially very wasteful.

Personally I couldn't stand by a decision to offer booster shots in the UK (or anywhere else) when the situation globally is so precarious. I just can't relate to that sense of prioritisation.
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Yeah, I’m very sympathetic to that view-point. I’m just not sure it’s as simple as wealthy country A deciding to order fewer vaccines translating to country B injecting more of its citizens. There are probably much more efficient ways for the likes of Israel to support third world vaccine roll-out if that’s the way they choose to spend their money.
 
Traub said:
Can't really blame them, I felt the same way about below 50s being vaccinated in rich countries before frontline healthcare workers in the poor ones. Where do you draw this arbitrary line? It's pretty obvious it's a case of the rich countries first in however they see fit and feck the rest.
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Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, I’m very sympathetic to that view-point. I’m just not sure it’s as simple as wealthy country A deciding to order fewer vaccines translating to country B injecting more of its citizens. There are probably much more efficient ways for the likes of Israel to support third world vaccine roll-out if that’s the way they choose to spend their money.
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Agree with you both, there’s no easy answer to where you draw that arbitrary line nor how best to distribute the vaccines in a global framework while operating as nation states. All I know is that it doesn’t make any sense to me that I got vaccinated months, maybe years, before healthcare workers, vulnerable populations etc. in other countries. And I definitely wouldn’t want to double down on that with boosters.
 
Going for my second shot on Saturday evening. Not sure what it's gonna be. I've heard they are giving Moderna for second doses. I had Pfizer for the first one back in June.
 
P-Ro said:
Going to try my luck at getting my 2nd dose today at the local vaccine centre. I have an appointment for tomorrow but the council just announced that tomorrow for one day only it will be a walk-in for anyone who wants the vaccine. This place couldn't cope the last time I went on a Saturday when it was appointment only so given the extra footfall I'd love to avoid having to get it there tomorrow.
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The vaccine centre wasn't open when I went yesterday so I had it this morning. Pleased to report that the experience was far more positive than last time as the place wasn't busy enough for there to be the same problems. I decided beforehand I'd wait outside for the 15mins after but for some reason (I just wasn't thinking straight because I was so happy at how everything was going) I ended up sitting in the hall for 2mins before remembering what I planned to do and spent the remaining 13 outside.

One little thing - I just wish some people wouldn't stand so close in the queue to the place. It's the same with every queue I've ever been in. Shuffling as close as you can to the person in front of you is not going to make it go faster, dickhead.
 
jojojo said:
Maybe AZ has advantages...

The twitter thread is talking about this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-00969-3
No, I don't understand all the info in the article, but if Chise says it's a good thing, I believe them.
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Really? I’ve never noticed Chise do anything other than desperately look on the bright side of everything. So if Chise says it’s a good thing then that’s usually just Chise being Chise.

It’s an interesting paper but the vector vaccine is given IV in the study, which is obviously significantly different to the IM admin of the covid vaccine when it comes to concentration in the lungs (which seems to be the location for the immune response they’re getting excited about) I also can’t work out if the response is to the antigen being presented of the adenovirus vector itself. Seems like it might be the latter?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Really? I’ve never noticed Chise do anything other than desperately look on the bright side of everything. So if Chise says it’s a good thing then that’s usually just Chise being Chise.

It’s an interesting paper but the vector vaccine is given IV in the study, which is obviously significantly different to the IM admin of the covid vaccine when it comes to concentration in the lungs (which seems to be the location for the immune response they’re getting excited about) I also can’t work out if the response is to the antigen being presented of the adenovirus vector itself. Seems like it might be the latter?
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Sometimes I want to believe in good news stories :wenger:

I admit when I read the story I couldn't really see how it all added up, and what the implications would be for the vaccinated. The pessimist bit of my brain thought that it would mean a booster jab using the same adenovirus would get wiped out. The optimist bit likes the idea of a spike antibody factory. I voted for good news.
 
jojojo said:
Sometimes I want to believe in good news stories :wenger:

I admit when I read the story I couldn't really see how it all added up, and what the implications would be for the vaccinated. The pessimist bit of my brain thought that it would mean a booster jab using the same adenovirus would get wiped out. The optimist bit likes the idea of a spike antibody factory. I voted for good news.
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:lol: Fair enough. That’s a good strategy for mental health. I need to do more of that myself.
 
Finally getting my vaccine on the 21st. Can't wait to get this over with. There giving me Pfizer-Biontech
 
Just got my second jab today, both pfizer. Again, no immediate effects, but fully expecting an aching arm tonight, so brought some food home. The nurse I chatted with seemed to believe that a third booster shot will be inevitable in the future, because of the variants.
 
6 hours later, arm hurts, some muscle and joint aches, possibly a slight fever. I'm also really tired but it's 1am and I had a double glass of rum and a fair bit of THC.
 
24 hours on. Arm hurts a bit. Legs aching too. Basically just don't want to get off the sofa. It's far better than what I was expecting having read some of the experiences from other posters here.
 
Only just got over my second Pfizer shot today over a full week later. Had a temperature and general fatigue for a good 7 days along with on and off headaches and muscle pains. It was bad enough that I went to a drive through test centre in case I’d unluckily caught the real thing. Can’t go back to work until my PCR is negative though!
 
I had my second Pfizer yesterday morning. It was 9am, but the heat really made it uncomfortable. Got through it feeling only slightly panicked, with my needle phobia, but didn't black out, as I feared given the conditions. Definitely not as positive an experience as my first one. After 12 months of it looming on the horizon and worrying about how I'd react, I was ecstatic after the first going so well.

Anyway, it's a day and a half on now. I think I feel fine. Woke up with ringing in the ears, but my arm didn't hurt half as much as the first time. Ringing didn't last long, and I feel more grumpy than usual, but that may just be the heat. Feel pretty lucky.
 
decorativeed said:
Feel pretty lucky.
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To be honest, all of us who are living in highly vaccinated countries should be feeling lucky.



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