Yeah. Today's the last "easy" game left for Spurs. The fixtures looks awful. Can't see Chelsea losing the title.
Top 4 race 2016/17
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Liverpool win tomorrow should confine this thread to history.
City sealed the top 4. Our only hope is Liverpool now.
Big result for us today, reckon if United don't win tomorrow we can even afford to lose the Derby and still make top 4
Liverpool:
West Brom away
Palace at home
Watford away
Southampton at home
West Ham away
Boro at home
United:
Chelsea at home
Burnley away
City away
Swansea at home
Arsenal away
Spurs away
Southampton away
Palace at home
City:
United at home
Boro away
Palace at home
Leicester at home
West Brom at home
Watford away
If we somehow were to creep into the top 4 we should most certainly get all of Liverpool's moral/hypothetical cups.
West Brom away
Palace at home
Watford away
Southampton at home
West Ham away
Boro at home
United:
Chelsea at home
Burnley away
City away
Swansea at home
Arsenal away
Spurs away
Southampton away
Palace at home
City:
United at home
Boro away
Palace at home
Leicester at home
West Brom at home
Watford away
If we somehow were to creep into the top 4 we should most certainly get all of Liverpool's moral/hypothetical cups.
Not really, United have so many games in hand. If the lose tomorrow its 7 points with United having a game in hand. Were United to win the derby thats 4 points with a game in hand. So the gap could be a point when things even out.
Win the derby and go 10 points clear (provided Chelsea beat United too) and then we can relax. We do though have 5 fixtures we should win so we should be taking 15 points between now and the end.
Looking at how close Spurs are to Chelsea now and it just highlights how bad a second half to the PL season we've had, this was at the half way stage of the season
2-3 months ago I predicted City, Spurs, Chelsea and United will be in top 4. But probably United would struggle to make it now.
The reason is that from mid January to now, which has been 3 months without any match against top 6, I hoped they would be in top 4 and be above 5th place by a fine margin before their heading to final 6 rounds (against City, Arsenal, Tottenham - all away matches), but they couldn't.
Now, City probably doesn't care if they lose to United at home, so does Tottenham as they are going to be in top 4 anyway. The battle is between Liverpool, United and Arsenal.
The reason is that from mid January to now, which has been 3 months without any match against top 6, I hoped they would be in top 4 and be above 5th place by a fine margin before their heading to final 6 rounds (against City, Arsenal, Tottenham - all away matches), but they couldn't.
Now, City probably doesn't care if they lose to United at home, so does Tottenham as they are going to be in top 4 anyway. The battle is between Liverpool, United and Arsenal.
We could still qualify if common sense prevails and Tottenham are deducted points for their offensive goal celebrations.
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We've never beaten a Tony Pulis side away from home. I think we'll draw.
Bloody hell just saw Liverpool's fixtures.
There was me hoping they'd feck up a few times.
There was me hoping they'd feck up a few times.
Looking at how close Spurs are to Chelsea now and it just highlights how bad a second half to the PL season we've had, this was at the half way stage of the season
Look at five games later
Just two points behind Spurs. Their results since then:
Ours:
Points per club since game 25 (ordered by points per game):
Tottenham Hotspur - 21 (7W/3 points per game)
Chelsea - 15 (5W 1L/2.5 PPG)
Liverpool - 14 (W4 D2 L1/2 PPG)
Everton - 16 (W5 D1 L2/2 PPG)
Manchester United - 9 (W2 D3/1.8 PPG)
Man City - 12 (3W 3D 1L/1.7 PPG)
Arsenal - 4 (W1 D1 L3/0.8 PPG)
From the top 7 only Arsenal have done considerably worse. We've still got tough fixtures to come as well.
100%. If they lose tomorrow and then we knock them out on the weekend.....
What's more likely tbh is that they'll get a draw tomorrow and they'll beat us in the semi. Besides, our fixtures after that are not easy and we'd still need a basically flawless run of form.
But its interesting and nice to hope anyway.
On a side note, when are these games in hand being played? It is bothering me seeing between 30 to 33 games played for the top 7. Makes it difficult to guage how everyone is actually doing.
Screw Spurs and their agenda.
With City winning today and essentially securing 3rd, 4th place is basically between us and Liverpool.
Must win for us from that point of view.
I am tired of analysing where this club ha gone wrong.Look at five games later
Just two points behind Spurs. Their results since then:
Ours:
Points per club since game 25 (ordered by points per game):
Tottenham Hotspur - 21 (7W/3 points per game)
Chelsea - 15 (5W 1L/2.5 PPG)
Liverpool - 14 (W4 D2 L1/2 PPG)
Everton - 16 (W5 D1 L2/2 PPG)
Manchester United - 9 (W2 D3/1.8 PPG)
Man City - 12 (3W 3D 1L/1.7 PPG)
Arsenal - 4 (W1 D1 L3/0.8 PPG)
From the top 7 only Arsenal have done considerably worse. We've still got tough fixtures to come as well.
Unless Liverpool slip up tomorrow, then it's almost over.
If we win tomorrow (highly unlikely), it changes nothing. I do think chelsea will kill our hopes in the league.
Over in mid April. How sad eh.
When was the last time both United and Arsenal missed out on the top four?
I'll be surprised if we win tomorrow. We've never won away to a Pulis team in the PL - it's something like 5 draws and 3 defeats, which is a shockingly bad record. If they start launching high balls into the box I can't see us holding out for 90 mins.
I fancy two draws tomorrow and then an Arsenal win on Monday and its back to the drawing board on predicting who will get the last top 4 place.
I fancy two draws tomorrow and then an Arsenal win on Monday and its back to the drawing board on predicting who will get the last top 4 place.
Terrible, but we create more chances than under LVG so it's all good mate.
Just had a quick look, it was 1979 as far as I can recall.
How the mighty have fallen! You think about the top 4 and you immediately think about us and you.
Think we'd be fine with an injury free draw today.
Liverpool are clear favourites for the 4th spot right now. Only if you guys screw up massively from here on that us and Arsenal have got a chance.
I just realised we're in the Europa League next season no matter where we finish in the league. Makes winning the thing even more important.
How does that work?
Maybe it's just because I'm a fan but I still think we'll finish top four. Most likely blinded by my love for the club, I still say we can put a run together from now to the end of the season and pinch fourth from Liverpool.
Pretty sure he/she meant if you were to finish 5th or 15th, it wouldn't matter - You've qualified through the League Cup either way.
I should have made it clear I've given up on the top 4, let me rephrase. If we somehow manage to finish 7th or lower we're still in the Europa League.
If we win today, everyone will be all hopeful again...
Just wondering if we were knocked out of the EL and finished a disastrous 7th in the Prem. Would we then play Europa next season?
League Cup win means EL football regardless.
Lads, don't do it to yourselves. It's not worth the angst.
And there I was, looking for a silver lining in a worst case scenario.
Bye bye top 4.
As great as that win was with City, Arsenal and Spurs (all away) to come, mixed with EL priorities, top 4 is still a distant goal.
Imagine Leicester winning the CL and gettint the Top 4 place