Tottenham Hotspur vs. Manchester United

[Redlambs]

Sometimes a players reputation does play a role in judging a player. He has had previous and I guess I let it cloud my judgement of the incident in question. It really was one of those decisions that could have gone either way. At the end of the day, as I said, I am happy for the point, and the way they played against us should stand us in good stead against Real Madrid. We really need to have our top guns firing, we need Nani to play the next few games if possible. As for the top red remark, I do apologise for accusing you of being such.

It's cool mate. I never disagreed with you though, I think you got me a bit muddled with someone else. I just questioned why you were going at it so hard in this thread about the diving and bias and that.

But it's all good, we got a decent point and we push on now! I'm a happy enough Red

 

[The Taurean]

To be fair any team would find it difficult to play on a match without a goalkeeper in nets.

Glaston is fulls of ifs and buts. Bet he always has excuses too.

 

[africanspur]

After reflecting on what I said earlier and after rewatching the gif many times, I don't think Rooney dived, but it wasn't a penalty and it was a 50/50. Caulker showed his strength to outmuscle Rooney in that particular challenge. If Dempsey had gone down, that is a different matter altogether and credit to Dempsey for not going down, otherwise as you stated earlier,a red card for Evra and he would have been missing for a game or so. I think it was a good point at your ground today.

This is what I've been saying about how things can be neither dives nor penalties/fouls. In this case, I would probably have still given a pen but I can see the argument both ways.

 

[TheReligion]

This is what I've been saying about how things can be neither dives nor penalties/fouls. In this case, I would probably have still given a pen but I can see the argument both ways.

What rubbish.

What argument is there in this instance for not giving the penalty?

 

[apotheosis]

It was excellent for sure but still frustrating to watch a player who loves shooting at the first opportunity regardless of whether there is a better option or not and regardless of whether there is a player in front on him take extra touches the time when he actually needed to shoot first time!

Defoe has always played that way. It won't work all the time, but he remains a constant threat. With Defoe his natural selfishness and instinctive shooting is what makes him such a dangerous player, but as is nearly always the case, unless you score you have picked the wrong option.

 

[Cold_Boy]

After reflecting on what I said earlier and after rewatching the gif many times, I don't think Rooney dived, but it wasn't a penalty and it was a 50/50. Caulker showed his strength to outmuscle Rooney in that particular challenge. If Dempsey had gone down, that is a different matter altogether and credit to Dempsey for not going down, otherwise as you stated earlier,a red card for Evra and he would have been missing for a game or so. I think it was a good point at your ground today.

I am sorry but out muscle with his legs?

Caulker clipped him, thats for sure.

Penalty would have been given 80% of the times.

 

[africanspur]

What rubbish.

What argument is there in this instance for not giving the penalty?

The argument given by the Man utd fan I was replying to.

I've already said I would probably have given a penalty.

 

[TheRisingSun]

Fergie is STILL banging on about that Drogba goal at OT that was offside! As a Chelsea fan this is one of the most annoying incidents to still be brought up as Macheda literally threw the consolation goal into the net with both hands, it was as blatant a handball as you will see!

Ferguson and United have not done too badly with decisions down the years. I almost admire his belligerent one-eyedness, but jesus christ. What about Ashley Young's ridiculous dive last season in the Villa game? Us having two men sent off and an offside goal this season? United getting two penalties at Chelsea last season?

Without trying to be conspiratorial, I just couldn't invisage United being reduced to 9 at home for Rooney going to ground easily in front of the Stretford End, or two penalties being given in ten minutes. How many penalties have been given to away sides in the last ten years?

 

[Red Pavan]

They dominated the game, we were clinical but couldn't create many chances. Defended amazingly well till the 92nd minute and were unlucky in the end to concede. But, i don't know why we were sitting back and letting them dictate the play anyway..

 

[Man-United]

How many penalties have been given to away sides in the last ten years?

Look at the stats at Stamford Bridge since 2004 before you come on here with that.

 

[Dobba]

How many penalties have been given to away sides in the last ten years?

Coming from a Chelsea fan? fecking hell

 

[Man-United]

Us having two men sent off and an offside goal this season? United getting two penalties at Chelsea last season?

Can you please go on with what you started there with Chelsea-United games at Stamford Bridge?

 

[Sandikan]

Fergie is STILL banging on about that Drogba goal at OT that was offside! As a Chelsea fan this is one of the most annoying incidents to still be brought up as Macheda literally threw the consolation goal into the net with both hands, it was as blatant a handball as you will see!

Ferguson and United have not done too badly with decisions down the years. I almost admire his belligerent one-eyedness, but jesus christ. What about Ashley Young's ridiculous dive last season in the Villa game? Us having two men sent off and an offside goal this season? United getting two penalties at Chelsea last season?

Without trying to be conspiratorial, I just couldn't invisage United being reduced to 9 at home for Rooney going to ground easily in front of the Stretford End, or two penalties being given in ten minutes. How many penalties have been given to away sides in the last ten years?

A Chelsea fan acting hard done by

You'll be saying that you get hard draws in the FA Cup next

 

[RK]

What about Ashley Young's ridiculous dive last season in the Villa game?

Speaking of annoying things to bring up, this is one. There's clearly hard contact between Young and the defenders foot, who sticks his leg out in a shit attempt at a tackle. It wasn't a dive, unless you count 90% of fouls as dives - the attacker pretty much always goes down easily.

 

[Sam]

Fergie is STILL banging on about that Drogba goal at OT that was offside! As a Chelsea fan this is one of the most annoying incidents to still be brought up as Macheda literally threw the consolation goal into the net with both hands, it was as blatant a handball as you will see!

Ferguson and United have not done too badly with decisions down the years. I almost admire his belligerent one-eyedness, but jesus christ. What about Ashley Young's ridiculous dive last season in the Villa game? Us having two men sent off and an offside goal this season? United getting two penalties at Chelsea last season?

Without trying to be conspiratorial, I just couldn't invisage United being reduced to 9 at home for Rooney going to ground easily in front of the Stretford End, or two penalties being given in ten minutes. How many penalties have been given to away sides in the last ten years?

Since 2002, Manchester United have had 62 penalties in the League. 41 at home. We have conceded 26 penalties. Chelsea have had 60 penalties. 37 at home. And conceded 30 penalties.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Penalty_Statistics.html

Huge difference

 

[apotheosis]

Fergie is STILL banging on about that Drogba goal at OT that was offside! As a Chelsea fan this is one of the most annoying incidents to still be brought up as Macheda literally threw the consolation goal into the net with both hands, it was as blatant a handball as you will see!

Tbf every club remembers the decisions that cost them, far more than those they get away with. That's just the way it is, the big clubs tend to get more things going their way than the smaller clubs do, yet we still moan about what we don't get

Maybe if we had a taste of what some of the smaller teams have to endure in games against the bigger teams, then we would realise how good we have it in comparison.

 

[TheRisingSun]

Can you please go on with what you started there with Chelsea-United games at Stamford Bridge?

Many, many times over the years I have seen United get the rub of the green. It's to be expected because they are the biggest club in England, the most successful club of recent times and have the biggest home ground and a very assertive manager.

Ferguson's bleating on about how tough he has it against Chelsea is starting to wind me up, though. I've never heard the end of that Drogba goal that was offside but have never heard a word about Macheda's handball finish for the consolation? I can't see us getting the decisions that you have got in the last two league games being given to us at Old Trafford, I really can't.

I also seem to remember there was a hint of offside about one, if not two of your goals at OT last season in the AVB game where we lost 3-1. Hernandez was a yard offside for his winner this season.

I would say decisions with Chelsea and United is just about even now for recent years but for Ferguson to carry on like he's hard done by and to still bang on about that Drogba goal from 2009 is ridiculous.

 

[apotheosis]

Since 2002, Manchester United have had 62 penalties in the League. 41 at home. We have conceded 26 penalties. Chelsea have had 60 penalties. 37 at home. And conceded 30 penalties.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Penalty_Statistics.html

Huge difference

I rest my case, contrast those stats to those of the smaller clubs and i suspect we fare far better!

 

[apotheosis]

Many, many times over the years I have seen United get the rub of the green. It's to be expected because they are the biggest club in England, the most successful club of recent times and have the biggest home ground and a very assertive manager.

Ferguson's bleating on about how tough he has it against Chelsea is starting to wind me up, though. I've never heard the end of that Drogba goal that was offside but have never heard a word about Macheda's handball finish for the consolation? I can't see us getting the decisions that you have got in the last two league games being given to us at Old Trafford, I really can't.

I also seem to remember there was a hint of offside about one, if not two of your goals at OT last season in the AVB game where we lost 3-1. Hernandez was a yard offside for his winner this season.

I would say decisions with Chelsea and United is just about even now for recent years but for Ferguson to carry on like he's hard done by and to still bang on about that Drogba goal from 2009 is ridiculous.

Sams stats seem to suggest otherwise.

 

[TheRisingSun]

As an aside, does anyone know why United get half of the lower tier of the Park Lane end at Spurs (I'm assuming you took the full allocation) while everyone else I've seen who takes the full wack gets a bit of the top and bottom tiers in the corner?

 

[Castia]

He only brought up the Chelsea incident because it was the same linesman though. Not like he was reflecting on the game as a whole or even the result that day. The linesman was 10 yards away from the incident today and the ref had a clear view aswell, feck knows why they didn't give the decision.

 

[SER19]

Many, many times over the years I have seen United get the rub of the green. It's to be expected because they are the biggest club in England, the most successful club of recent times and have the biggest home ground and a very assertive manager.

Ferguson's bleating on about how tough he has it against Chelsea is starting to wind me up, though. I've never heard the end of that Drogba goal that was offside but have never heard a word about Macheda's handball finish for the consolation? I can't see us getting the decisions that you have got in the last two league games being given to us at Old Trafford, I really can't.

I also seem to remember there was a hint of offside about one, if not two of your goals at OT last season in the AVB game where we lost 3-1. Hernandez was a yard offside for his winner this season.

I would say decisions with Chelsea and United is just about even now for recent years but for Ferguson to carry on like he's hard done by and to still bang on about that Drogba goal from 2009 is ridiculous.

give it a rest, you question fergusons one sightedness and in the last few years chelsea have had the drogba goal which may have decided the title, a 1-0 win at home from a non free kick/offside and foul on united defender goal where in the same game united should have had a penalty inside 20 minutes and arguably a red for terry. a 2-1 win recently where david luiz could have been sent off four times and even a community shield game with several questionables notably a ballack assault on evra before a late goal. also this season, you forget that torres should have been red carded after about 30 minutes for a chest high studs up lunge into cleverley, his reputation got him a 2nd yellow and hernandez goal was marginal and hard to call. chelsea benefit from refs decisions in big games more than any other team

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

I know die hard spurs supporters who thinks Dempsey is shit and hate the fact he is American but today all those hypocrites thinks he is God...go figure

 

[TheRisingSun]

also this season, you forget that torres should have been red carded after about 30 minutes for a chest high studs up lunge into cleverley, his reputation got him a 2nd yellow and hernandez goal was marginal and hard to call. chelsea benefit from refs decisions in big games more than any other team

Torres should've been sent off? If that was a red card, then I'm sure you accept that Rio should've been sent off for his kung-fu kick on Malouda's head two seasons back and Johnny Evans chest high kick on Drogba, which Drogba ended up getting booked for?

I know that every team focuses on the decisions that they didn't get and that is the nature of being a football fan, but I don't think Ferguson has any right to complain down the years - least of all referencing that fecking Drogba goal from 3 years ago whilst conveniently omitting Macheda's consolation that would've made Luis Suarez blush.

 

[TheRisingSun]

He only brought up the Chelsea incident because it was the same linesman though. Not like he was reflecting on the game as a whole or even the result that day. The linesman was 10 yards away from the incident today and the ref had a clear view aswell, feck knows why they didn't give the decision.

Fair enough, that makes more sense. I thought he was just using it as a random example of a decision that United didn't get.

Nevertheless, people really need to forget about that incident. United did absolutely nothing in that game until Macheda's "goal" and didn't look remotely threatening at 1-0. We fully deserved our three points that day.

 

[SER19]

Torres should've been sent off? If that was a red card, then I'm sure you accept that Rio should've been sent off for his kung-fu kick on Malouda's head two seasons back and Johnny Evans chest high kick on Drogba, which Drogba ended up getting booked for?

I know that every team focuses on the decisions that they didn't get and that is the nature of being a football fan, but I don't think Ferguson has any right to complain down the years - least of all referencing that fecking Drogba goal from 3 years ago whilst conveniently omitting Macheda's consolation that would've made Luis Suarez blush.

as mentioned by others, to be fair to him he mentioned that specific goal as it was one particular linesman. we're naive to think these people dont have allegiances, they love football too,its why they commit so much time to it. id love to be a referee but could genuinely not ref a liverpool match without bias.

evans should have gotten a red but we could sit and watch all of those old games, the two atkinson officiated were just incredibly biased, evans incident aside.

 

[TheRisingSun]

as mentioned by others, to be fair to him he mentioned that specific goal as it was one particular linesman. we're naive to think these people dont have allegiances, they love football too,its why they commit so much time to it. id love to be a referee but could genuinely not ref a liverpool match without bias.

evans should have gotten a red but we could sit and watch all of those old games, the two atkinson officiated were just incredibly biased, evans incident aside.

I take all this "we're persecuted, everyone is against us" stuff with a pinch of salt because I see it on every club's forum (although RAWK takes the biscuit) and other club's believe the exact opposite.

As an example, a lot of Chelsea fans think that the media are "out to get" John Terry and constantly try and catch him and his family out (setting his dad up for the coke thing for example), whilst on here and on RAWK the general consensus is that the "London" media protect big bad lionheart John Terry and another player doing the same things would get far worse coverage.

Chelsea fans think that the media is biased towards Liverpool and Manchester United and against them, Liverpool fans think the media is biased against Liverpool and towards Manchester United - everyone seems to think that referees are out to get them and that they get a raw deal.

It's just the nature of the beast of being a football supporter I suppose.

 

[SER19]

I take all this "we're persecuted, everyone is against us" stuff with a pinch of salt because I see it on every club's forum (although RAWK takes the biscuit) and other club's believe the exact opposite.

As an example, a lot of Chelsea fans think that the media are "out to get" John Terry and constantly try and catch him and his family out (setting his dad up for the coke thing for example), whilst on here and on RAWK the general consensus is that the "London" media protect big bad lionheart John Terry and another player doing the same things would get far worse coverage.

Chelsea fans think that the media is biased towards Liverpool and Manchester United and against them, Liverpool fans think the media is biased against Liverpool and towards Manchester United - everyone seems to think that referees are out to get them and that they get a raw deal.

It's just the nature of the beast of being a football supporter I suppose.

agreed on almost all points particularly that liverpool fans go beyond the norm. my problem with it all though is that there is across all fans, undeniably, more so than for any other club, a notion than united benefit the most. coupled with that united decisions get the most intense media scrutiny. the idea that they do is flat out, simply not true as proven by a pile of poor decisions in big games this year. i do also believe that if it tips anyway, united suffer more in recent years due to a growing notion about individual refs favouring them, howard webb the classic example. refs fear being witchhunted in the same way.

 

[Im red2]

We sat way too dep in the second half and let them control the game way too much.
Still the result isnt bad, just that we really invited them and more or less asked for the goal to come.
Should have scored more as well.

This

 

[Dargonk]

Probably would have taken the draw at the beginning of the game, as that was what I expected. Though losing the lead in extra time is a bit of a kick in the teeth. From what I've seen (extended highlights) thought we were second best, at least in terms of attacking play with Tottenham getting more chances than us.

 

[Castia]

Woke up today and although it sucks to drop 2 points especially in the 92nd minute a point at spurs isn't the end of the world is it. City have still got to go there and if spurs put half the effort they did as yesterday against them they will be in for a tough game.

Gap cut to 5 points but at least we have one of the hardest remaining fixtures out of the way.

 

[ERICSAGOD]

Rafael switches off again!

I've been banging on about this for a couple of seasons now, but always get shot down because ''he's great going forward, and he's still young and learning.'' That might be the case, but he has cost us lots of points in the league and important matches in Europe.