trans people are not mentally ill, no.
maya and her ilk are basically saying they are and now getting rewarded for it. pathetic doesn't begin to describe it.
Transgender rights discussion
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trans people are not mentally ill, no.
maya and her ilk are basically saying they are and now getting rewarded for it. pathetic doesn't begin to describe it.
Google seems to suggest otherwise. Certainly can see where some people are coming from when cautioning about gender affirming care for children.
What does google seem to suggest to you?
Gender dysphoria in young people is rising—and so is professional disagreement
More children and adolescents are identifying as transgender and are being offered medical treatment, especially in the US—but some providers and European authorities are urging caution because of a lack of strong evidence
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p382
Definitely a concern when you mix big Pharma into the equation.
What does that have to do with claiming that trans women are delusional men?
That's very different from, "A man’s internal feeling that he is a woman has no basis in material reality" which is what she said.
One is discussing a rise in diagnosis, the other is just hateful bigotry.
Where did she claim they were delusional? Struggling to find the quote.
It’s relevant because there’s disagreement within the scientific community about this. There clearly are people who have been encouraged to transition due to this based on a feeling of being a gender different to their biological sex.
you can’t go around firing people for expressing valid opinions and labelling them bigots.
Calling something a valid opinion doesnt make it a valid opinion. It's just an opinion
Her statements are in the lawsuit.
Where is the disagreement in the scientific community about whether or not trans women are delusional men?
Still can’t find where she calls trans women delusional. Some more here…
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/10/maya-forstater-transgender-tweets-tribunal-ruling
I’m a bit confused as to why you keep using the word delusional. It doesn’t strike me as particularly helpful for people who might be feeling they have a gender mis match with their biological sex.
I’ve already highlighted the BMJ article.
Almost half the states espouse this shit…
This is going to end up at the Supreme Court (not necessarily this law, but a law on this topic). This should be a slam dunk as the court loves "parental rights", but I can see this being a 5-4 ruling in favor of the laws.
More common sense shock horror.
“British Rowing has announced that transgender women will not be able to compete in the women's category at its events.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rowing/66393959
edit to include opening quote from the article.
“British Rowing has announced that transgender women will not be able to compete in the women's category at its events.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rowing/66393959
edit to include opening quote from the article.
The right decision, but that won’t stop the outrage
I want to check this outrage, can you point me in its direction?
about 5 people on twitter and The Daily Mail I expect
Google is probably your best bet
I’d have thought the daily mail wouldn’t be all that annoyed
no but they'll have an article about how everyone is outraged
I only found references to the news itself...
How do you guys deal with casual transphobia in your families?
I try to push back a bit but people are so entrenched in stances like "men are men, women are women etc". I don't want to really stop talking to people and causing rifts but I don't want to be part of conversations that bash trans people. I'm not even sure where to start, my own views on trans people became for more accepting through watching trans youtubers and meeting trans people as well as deciding I'd prefer not to hate people.
Views on race have largely improved in my family as different people have married and had kids of different ethnicities yet a lot of the family are still stuck in a transphobic and to a lesser extent homophobic rutt.
It's far too often that I see transgender people/identity be the butt of jokes. Them existing is often a point of derision for some people.
I try to push back a bit but people are so entrenched in stances like "men are men, women are women etc". I don't want to really stop talking to people and causing rifts but I don't want to be part of conversations that bash trans people. I'm not even sure where to start, my own views on trans people became for more accepting through watching trans youtubers and meeting trans people as well as deciding I'd prefer not to hate people.
Views on race have largely improved in my family as different people have married and had kids of different ethnicities yet a lot of the family are still stuck in a transphobic and to a lesser extent homophobic rutt.
It's far too often that I see transgender people/identity be the butt of jokes. Them existing is often a point of derision for some people.
It’s hard. Not family but my very best and oldest, most loved and trusted mate really struggles with it. And as a result I struggle with him. We’ve just reached a point where we can’t / don’t talk about it because we just wind each other up.
He used to be, a long time ago now, a bit homophonic too, not to the point of hating it but very comfortable joking about it.
Thankfully that has softened which is a good thing seeing as my own son is gay. I hope that over time I can help him realise it’s just people being people.
I don’t really think you can. I’ve had this with my own family, and my partners family and as you say they’re so entrenched in their views that it’s basically a big waste of time. I usually just change the subject because it’s easier just to avoid the whole process.
My parents dont really have views on these topics (people are people they dont care) but i have heard people in their circles sat some outlandish things.
Youd be better changing the subject but what I actually find they say and do if they meet a gay/trans/diff race person are entirely different. Usually, they judge the person on their own merits.
Youd be better changing the subject but what I actually find they say and do if they meet a gay/trans/diff race person are entirely different. Usually, they judge the person on their own merits.
Generally when I encounter someone who making negative comments I ask them why they care so much about other people's business?
They don't usually have a compelling answer.
They don't usually have a compelling answer.
Murdered for flying a rainbow flag. Excellent.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ia-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ia-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag
Because of course...
TERF island
People are feckin idiots and so easily manipulated
Edit - From The Guardian
Seems to be another generational divide in the UK.
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