Trump Coronavirus (CV in US Politics)

Untd55 said:
There seems to be an underlying want for him to die. I love when people pretend their such nice people but then urging death. Hypocrites.
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I agree, people who don't care if Trump dies are as bad same as Trump himself. Thinking that the world is better without someone is exactly the same as promoting dogwhistles and white supremacy, actively degrading the norms of democracy, supporting the violent repression of protestors by both police and far-right militia, calling the media the enemy of the people, and of course bungling a pandemic.

Both sides are equally bad.
 
Untd55 said:
There seems to be an underlying want for him to die. I love when people pretend their such nice people but then urging death. Hypocrites.
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Excuse me if I'm showing no empathy for someone who as shown no empathy.
 
Untd55 said:
There seems to be an underlying want for him to die. I love when people pretend their such nice people but then urging death. Hypocrites.
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Where's the hypocrisy, exactly? Thinking that it's "nice" to not put kids in cages doesn't mean you can't take pleasure in someone's death. The obvious example is Hitler - most people would agree you can still be a nice person, while thinking it's great he killed himself. That isn't a good definition of hypocrisy in any level.

In terms of what he did, let's say things like locking kids in cages is part of the political machinery, you can't explicitly say he caused it so avoid contentious issues like that. Let's ignore the fact that he has repeatedly mocked Biden for having a serious illness, as well as countless others, and encouraged others to be gleeful about it.

Why don't we just focus on this particular moment: encouraging people to consume bleach, telling people not to wear masks, trying to prevent states from following the federal health advice ("Liberate Michigan!"). He has recklessly and directly put thousands and thousands of people in exactly the same mortal danger he's in, for completely indefensible reasons. Manslaughter, in other words.

So it'd be like a serial drunk driver killing multiple people, somehow getting away with it, and eventually dying in his own car accident. Most people don't think that it is a bad outcome.
 
Untd55 said:
There seems to be an underlying want for him to die. I love when people pretend their such nice people but then urging death. Hypocrites.
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You can be a nice person and at the same time believe that Trump dying is for the best, there's nothing hypocritical about it. He's one of the worst things that has happened to the Western world, and America specifically, since WWII.
 
Halftrack said:
You can be a nice person and at the same time believe that Trump dying is for the best, there's nothing hypocritical about it. He's one of the worst things that has happened to the Western world, and America specifically, since WWII.
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Trump derangement syndrome
 
villain said:
If he were to die from this, he’d be remembered and revered positively - wouldn’t he?
He doesn’t deserve that.
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Hell no he caused this on himself by being a total jackass. This is irony at it's best. He never took the virus seriously and his lack of action is what caused hundreds of thousands of people to die. This doesn't change anything. It only highlights what a blundering idiot he is. He thought he was invincible. When a stupid president refuses to follow safety guidelines during a pandemic just to make a political statement, they get exactly what they deserve. Oh look at me I'm not wearing a mask...well feck you says Corona. Total fecking idiot and he won't get any sympathy from me.
 
Untd55 said:
There seems to be an underlying want for him to die. I love when people pretend their such nice people but then urging death. Hypocrites.
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Some people have spent a lot of time describing Trump as a nasty, lying, corrupt, racist, possible-rapist, white supremacist who has botched the handling of a dangerous virus he sought to politicise for personal gain and, in the process, condemned thousands of others to contracting it.

If people really think he's that malevolent a human being then there isn't much hypocrisy involved in a less-than-concerned take on him potentially reaping what he's sown. In fact the real hypocrisy would lie in pretending to be concerned when they're clearly not.

Particularly as Trump escaping his brush with the coronavirus completely unscathed would only serve to reinforce every stupid, self-destructive impulse he has gleefully fostered since the outbreak began. It's literally good for the rest of the world if the chief architect of the stupidity surrounding Covid-19 is seen to be impacted by it.

In a context where thousands of people who have done nothing to deserve it are dying from this virus, I could do without the fake sympathy for someone who has done more to earn this fate than pretty much anyone else.
 
villain said:
If he were to die from this, he’d be remembered and revered positively - wouldn’t he?
He doesn’t deserve that.
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In the long run history would remember him as the president who botched the handling of a pandemic before ultimately dying from the very virus he had initially dismissed as a hoax. There'd be no obscuring that reality.
 
A heartless cnut who has spent the last 4-5 years mocking everyone who doesn’t agree with his narrow mindset. He’s lied, empowered the far-right & been engulfed in enough scandals/allegations of corruption that would bring most people down. In regards to Covid, he & his clan have treated it like it’s a big joke.

I don’t wish death upon him or others, but I’m not going to feign sympathy for people like him.
 
calodo2003 said:
Not entirely democratically elected (he lost the popular vote by millions), he was elected through the current flawed system.

He’s lurched us pretty far right while stoking fashy flames the whole way. He’s trying to destroy whatever democracy currently exists in this country.
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Not to mention a variety of opposition voter-suppression tactics and massive help from Russia.
 
Scarlett Dracarys said:
Hell no he caused this on himself by being a total jackass. This is irony at it's best. He never took the virus seriously and his lack of action is what caused hundreds of thousands of people to die. This doesn't change anything. It only highlights what a blundering idiot he is. He thought he was invincible. When a stupid president refuses to follow safety guidelines during a pandemic just to make a political statement, they get exactly what they deserve. Oh look at me I'm not wearing a mask...well feck you says Corona. Total fecking idiot and he won't get any sympathy from me.
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Couldn’t agree more.

sullydnl said:
In the long run history would remember him as the president who botched the handling of a pandemic before ultimately dying from the very virus he had initially dismissed as a hoax. There'd be no obscuring that reality.
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In the long term sure. In the long term I believe details about the true levels of depravity in his actions over the course of his years will be released, including his presidency.
In the short term I think a lot of peoples emotions will cloud their judgement, plus the toxicity of American media will not paint him in the way he deserves to be portrayed. He’s gotten away with so much, largely unscathed, already.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
Donald Trump's doctor will be giving a statement from hospital at 4pm UK time
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MrMarcello said:
feck him.
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Yup.

«Trump has all his life posed a moral puzzle: What is due in the way of kindness and sympathy to people who have no kindness and sympathy for anyone else? Should we repay horrifying cruelty in equal measure? Then we reduce ourselves to their level. But if we return indecency with the decency due any other person in need, don’t we encourage appalling behavior? Don’t we prove to them that they belong to some unique bracket of humanity, entitled to kick others when they are writhing on the floor, and then to claim mercy when their own crimes and cruelties cast them upon the floor themselves?» (The Atlantic)

Tl;dr

feck him
 
Scarlett Dracarys said:
Hell no he caused this on himself by being a total jackass. This is irony at it's best. He never took the virus seriously and his lack of action is what caused hundreds of thousands of people to die. This doesn't change anything. It only highlights what a blundering idiot he is. He thought he was invincible. When a stupid president refuses to follow safety guidelines during a pandemic just to make a political statement, they get exactly what they deserve. Oh look at me I'm not wearing a mask...well feck you says Corona. Total fecking idiot and he won't get any sympathy from me.
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it would be the ultimate ending to the story. Its been like a shakespeare play
 
I am extremely happy to be vocal about how great it is to see him and so many GOP senators catch this disease after doing everything in their power to minimize the severity of it AND ridicule those who tried to prevent the health disaster that's ensued from their criminal negligence.

There now for ya.
 
Will be hubris if the "Chinese hoax" claims his life.
The people crying that we aren't sad for him, feck off!
This man held campaign events in cities as they were being ravaged by the virus. And was mocking genuine attempts to protect people whilst refusing to show an ounce of care for his supporters. We haven't even gotten into the nastiness of him and his administration prior to this pandemic.
If you are looking for sympathy here, feck off.
 
SirAF said:
Yup.

«Trump has all his life posed a moral puzzle: What is due in the way of kindness and sympathy to people who have no kindness and sympathy for anyone else? Should we repay horrifying cruelty in equal measure? Then we reduce ourselves to their level. But if we return indecency with the decency due any other person in need, don’t we encourage appalling behavior? Don’t we prove to them that they belong to some unique bracket of humanity, entitled to kick others when they are writhing on the floor, and then to claim mercy when their own crimes and cruelties cast them upon the floor themselves?» (The Atlantic)

Tl;dr

feck him
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Pour bleach into my eyes.
 
Penna said:
Knowing how his "strong" image is so important to him, I don't think he'd have agreed to go to hospital "just as a precaution". On the other hand he walked out of the WH, so he was relatively OK last night. It's all very odd.
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That helicopter was waiting a while. I wouldn't be surprised if they dosed him up on something for the walk. Couldn't be seen to be weak.
 
DanH said:
That helicopter was waiting a while. I wouldn't be surprised if they dosed him up on something for the walk. Couldn't be seen to be weak.
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You're right, and oates pointed out that he was sweating. Masks are also useful for covering most of your face when you do't want people to see how ill you look.
 
Penna said:
Knowing how his "strong" image is so important to him, I don't think he'd have agreed to go to hospital "just as a precaution". On the other hand he walked out of the WH, so he was relatively OK last night. It's all very odd.
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I think he was probably pretty bad but walked out while he could knowing if things kept going downhill it wouldn't be long until he had to be carried or wheeled out. That wouldn't have been a good look because as you say it would shatter his strong image. He looked quite shaken in the video clip just beforehand.
 
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