UK European Elections 2019 | Results Tonight from 10pm

[Massive Spanner]

so in Ireland the Green Party were the ones who came out of nowhere to get a massive amount of the votes. In the UK it was the Brexit party.

How the hell did you guys become the backwards country?

 

[DOTA]

I can't believe Scotland and Northern Ireland haven't declared yet

I think the Scots realistically have but have to wait for the Western Isles.

 

[DOTA]

so in Ireland the Green Party were the ones who came out of nowhere to get a massive amount of the votes. In the UK it was the Brexit party.

How the hell did you guys become the backwards country?

I assure you, as a UK Green Party member, I will get an appalling amount of emails today about us more than doubling our number of MEP's. I don't know how many yours managed or how violent with emails your Greens are but by UK Green definitions, this was a victory.

 

[arnie_ni]

BBC Projection

Brexit - 32%
Lib Dem - 20%
Labour - 14%
Green - 12%
Conservative - 9%
SNP - 4%
CUK - 3%
UKIP - 3%
Plaid - 1%

Remind me who apparently won tonight?

Well when you consider labour are pro brexit, they had 58 percent of the 37 percent that turned up.

 

[rcoobc]

Well when you consider labour are pro brexit, they had 58 percent of the 37 percent that turned up.

The majority of Labour voters in these elections, in all areas, support(ed) Remain

Labour don't know what they are

 

[arnie_ni]

The majority of Labour voters in these elections, in all areas, support(ed) Remain

Labour don't know what they are

They have came out and said theyd deliver a brexit if they got power though. So we have to take that a face value at this moment in time

 

[Cheesy]

The majority of Labour voters in these elections, in all areas, support(ed) Remain

Labour don't know what they are

This keeps on getting forgotten. Labour have arrogantly assumed until now that they could feint towards Brexit to placate a third of their voters with the assumption that Remainers would back the party no matter what. Lib Dem and Green surges demonstrate now that's clearly not true. An overwhelming majority of the party are opposed to Brexit and yet the party have increasingly alienated said people.

 

[DOTA]

This keeps on getting forgotten. Labour have arrogantly assumed until now that they could feint towards Brexit to placate a third of their voters with the assumption that Remainers would back the party no matter what. Lib Dem and Green surges demonstrate now that's clearly not true. An overwhelming majority of the party are opposed to Brexit and yet the party have increasingly alienated said people.

Quite timely, given Labour likely have a few months to prepare their plan for the next general election.

Not remotely suggesting it was in any way planned. But handy.

 

[JPRouve]

LePen's party gets the most seats in France.

Alongside LREM, they both have 23 seats.

 

[rcoobc]

This is why we're in so much trouble...

Here I've split the Conservative vote 7:2 towards Leave and the Labour remain 8:6 towards Remain.

An arbitrarily chosen split - but possibly not the worst guess in the world.

UK Politics is frozen and we're all in trouble

 

[DOTA]

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The majority of Labour voters in these elections, in all areas, support(ed) Remain

Labour don't know what they are

The way they’ve handled themselves, pre and post Brexit has been an absolute disgrace. Cack-handed and ignorant in the extreme. Deservedly getting their arses handed to them today and Corbyn actually thinks he can win a general election? FFS.

 

[DOTA]

The way they’ve handled themselves, pre and post Brexit has been an absolute disgrace. Cack-handed and ignorant in the extreme. Deservedly getting their arses handed to them today and Corbyn actually thinks he can win a general election? FFS.

You think Boris will beat him?

 

[JPRouve]

Lib Dem at 20% is pretty high, right?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Lib Dem at 20% is pretty high, right?

Yep.

Anti-Brexit parties actually have the biggest share, shame the Brexit Party will get the most coverage because it got the most votes overall.

 

[golden_blunder]

* Throws milkshake at Kill 'em all*

+1

 

[rcoobc]

Yep.

Anti-Brexit parties actually have the biggest share, shame the Brexit Party will get the most coverage because it got the most votes overall.

The Conservatives are a pro-Brexit party with some anti-Brexit members though

 

[DOTA]

The Conservatives are a pro-Brexit party with some anti-Brexit members though

Can't we assume we just found out how many of them are really pro-brexit, though?

 

[Massive Spanner]

The Conservatives are a pro-Brexit party with some anti-Brexit members though

And a large percentage of Labour are remainers who campaigned as remainers in their voting areas.

 

[rcoobc]

Lib Dems look to be the big winners out of tonight

In the short term they could pick up some or all of Change UKs MPs.

Once the Tories announce their pro-no-deal Brexit PM, they could pick up some MPs from the Tories

Once the Tories announce their pro-no-deal Brexit PM, they could pick up a lot of donations from business groups that rely on being in the EU

 

[DOTA]

Lib Dems look to be the big winners out of tonight

In the short term they could pick up some or all of Change UKs MPs.

Once the Tories announce their pro-no-deal Brexit PM, they could pick up some MPs from the Tories

Once the Tories announce their pro-no-deal Brexit PM, they could pick up a lot of donations from business groups that rely on being in the EU

And once any Tory leader so much as failed to look sufficiently elated by no deal they would be brought down.

 

[sun_tzu]

Lib Dems look to be the big winners out of tonight

In the short term they could pick up some or all of Change UKs MPs.

Once the Tories announce their pro-no-deal Brexit PM, they could pick up some MPs from the Tories

Once the Tories announce their pro-no-deal Brexit PM, they could pick up a lot of donations from business groups that rely on being in the EU

True... There is probably a chunk of remain labour MPs who will.want a difinitive 2nd referendum position from labour asap as well which could.leave if they don't get it

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You think Boris will beat him?

I think Labour should be all set to defeat the shittest Conservative party for generations (ever?) by an absolute landslide, not watching the Lib Dems carve out a massive chunk of their electorate while poll after poll puts Corbybn as undesirable a PM as the gobshites squabbling over who will lead the Tories.

 

[ThierryHenry]

Jimmy Savile becomes Brexit Party MEP

I haven’t heard her speak in a long time until last night. Was she drunk? Is that what she’s usually like?

It felt immoral to have someone with such clear dementia on TV.

 

[ThierryHenry]

The die hard remainers are desperately hoping either a second referendum or just cancelling brexit and somehow gaslighting the leavers in to pretending none of this happened is going to get us out of this (okay, admittedly the latter is a tiny minority but it's there alright). As if the problem here is that it was 52-48 the wrong way. It isn't. It's that during that referendum we all got so entrenched in our positions, understandably given the significance of the matter, and no one is going to see the results of any second referendum not go in their favour and decide to budge unless there was a result that... well, one we all know there won't be.

The baffling lot who still think something near May's deal could work are banking that the idea that 'maybe if we tried it with a PM with a penis they will have more authority'. These are comfortably the most mentally broken people by this whole ordeal and I am going to assume further comment isn't required.

The No Deal lot are the ones with a credible plan. They are lemmings who want to run off the cliff because there might be a nice pool at the bottom. That is a clear way forward and one that will quickly provide us with the information the public actually needs to get over this.

No Deal has the only credible plan. It involves us going splat on the rocks below but I just don't see how anything else answers the question.

Good rant. Though I fall into the ‘mentally broken’ pot. I believe that a Raab or BoJo will eventually get through a deal that’s incredibly similar to May’s.

 

[rcoobc]

So how the frick is this going to work with a General Election? FPTP isn't built for 5 party politics.

I would assume the following will occur:-

Change UK and the Lib Dems will effectively merge. (Change UK couldn't get a seat in a PR system, they have no chance in a FPTP system, other than *maybe* holding a couple of their current seats.).

The Brexit Party will tactically select its candidates. Anywhere that there is a Pro-Brexit Tory candidate that might lose in a split vote, they won't put a candidate forward.

The new Lib Dems and the Greens will each avoid putting forward candidates in a handful of their marginal seats. Because the Lib Dems and the Greens are so different in nearly every other area, it's politically difficult - and a (remain leaning) Lib Dem vote is probably as likely to vote Labour as their second preference than a Green. Likewise, a (remain leaning) Green voter is probably as likely to vote Labour or a smaller party. But, although there won't be a remain alliance, there will be a handful of seat selection pacts.

Labour will still be trying to be all things to all people

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Good rant. Though I fall into the ‘mentally broken’ pot. I believe that a Raab or BoJo will eventually get through a deal that’s incredibly similar to May’s.

The really crazy thing about all of this (and there's a LOT of crazy things about all of this) is the idea that No-Deal is somehow the end of Brexit. It's not. It's just the beginning. Because Britain will still have to negotiate some sort of trade deal with the EU. Which will involve discussing and agreeing all the various issues the No-Deal Brexiteers are hoping will magically disappear once they crash out of Europe without a deal. From a much weaker position. It's absolute fecking madness. Mass hysteria on a national scale.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

I haven’t heard her speak in a long time until last night. Was she drunk? Is that what she’s usually like?

It felt immoral to have someone with such clear dementia on TV.

Don't be disrespectful. She's 71 and fighting a campaign for what she believes in. Puts herself across very well too.

 

[Ady87]

Don't be disrespectful. She's 71 and fighting a campaign for what she believes in. Puts herself across very well too.

Eh? She sounds batshit crazy. I heard a repeat of her battle cry at a Brexit Rally the other day and she's fecking mad.

 

[sun_tzu]

Good rant. Though I fall into the ‘mentally broken’ pot. I believe that a Raab or BoJo will eventually get through a deal that’s incredibly similar to May’s.

Im not sure about that... I think both will pledge in the conservative election that there will be no extension and that if the EU don't get rid of the backstop it will be no deal

The EU won't get rid of it as they have stated multiple times

Both sides blame the other and a default no deal... I honestly can't see any other solution myself (unless uk parliament can stop the process and force a ge... And even then I struggle to see anythibg changing)

 

[rcoobc]

In a proper, unplanned, no deal Brexit - a free trade agreement is the least of our concerns

 

[vidic blood & sand]

Eh? She sounds batshit crazy. I heard a repeat of her battle cry at a Brexit Rally the other day and she's fecking mad.

And was elected.

 

[Smores]

I think Labour should be all set to defeat the shittest Conservative party for generations (ever?) by an absolute landslide, not watching the Lib Dems carve out a massive chunk of their electorate while poll after poll puts Corbybn as undesirable a PM as the gobshites squabbling over who will lead the Tories.

Considering the leave remain split how is a landslide even possible? Assuming they go full on remain how are they going to get a landslide over anyone?

 

[JPRouve]

Lib Dems look to be the big winners out of tonight

In the short term they could pick up some or all of Change UKs MPs.

Once the Tories announce their pro-no-deal Brexit PM, they could pick up some MPs from the Tories

Once the Tories announce their pro-no-deal Brexit PM, they could pick up a lot of donations from business groups that rely on being in the EU

You kind of described the french situation where LREM took the center/center right from both PS and LR, while it's a good result it also means that they are a target for all sides which is less than ideal from a campaigning standpoint.

Do you think that Labour and Tories are durably done?

 

[Ady87]

So how the frick is this going to work with a General Election? FPTP isn't built for 5 party politics.

I would assume the following will occur:-

Change UK and the Lib Dems will effectively merge. (Change UK couldn't get a seat in a PR system, they have no chance in a FPTP system, other than *maybe* holding a couple of their current seats.).

The Brexit Party will tactically select its candidates. Anywhere that there is a Pro-Brexit Tory candidate that might lose in a split vote, they won't put a candidate forward.

The new Lib Dems and the Greens will each avoid putting forward candidates in a handful of their marginal seats. Because the Lib Dems and the Greens are so different in nearly every other area, it's politically difficult - and a (remain leaning) Lib Dem vote is probably as likely to vote Labour as their second preference than a Green. Likewise, a (remain leaning) Green voter is probably as likely to vote Labour or a smaller party. But, although there won't be a remain alliance, there will be a handful of seat selection pacts.

Labour will still be trying to be all things to all people

I'll be pissed off if (when) Brexit defines the GE.

Most Leave voters I know are like a rabid dog with a bone and would vote BP at a GE in an instant despite uncertainty from them in pretty much every policy you could think of. For me in the North West, these are traditional Labour voters as well.

One woman I work with said she'd voted BP to throw a spanner in the works. This same woman a few days earlier had asked people in our team why black football players choose white wives. She is a life long Labour supporter which frustrates me because I wonder how I can share a platform with these people when I'm so very, very different. I know some will hate me saying this but I feel like I know what's best for her more than she does...

Wigan's support of Tommy Robinson doesn't surprise me at all by the way. Anyone that's been there will understand.

 

[ThierryHenry]

The really crazy thing about all of this (and there's a LOT of crazy things about all of this) is the idea that No-Deal is somehow the end of Brexit. It's not. It's just the beginning. Because Britain will still have to negotiate some sort of trade deal with the EU. Which will involve discussing and agreeing all the various issues the No-Deal Brexiteers are hoping will magically disappear once they crash out of Europe without a deal. From a much weaker position. It's absolute fecking madness. Mass hysteria on a national scale.

We’re still going to be talking about this in ten years, aren’t we?

 

[Devil_forever]

In a proper, unplanned, no deal Brexit - a free trade agreement is the least of our concerns

Parliament will block a no deal brexit.

 

[Ady87]

And was elected.

That doesn't make her not crazy.

 

[rcoobc]

Parliament will block a no deal brexit.

Parliament would block a planned one.

An unplanned one would be a challenge

 

[Devil_forever]

The really crazy thing about all of this (and there's a LOT of crazy things about all of this) is the idea that No-Deal is somehow the end of Brexit. It's not. It's just the beginning. Because Britain will still have to negotiate some sort of trade deal with the EU. Which will involve discussing and agreeing all the various issues the No-Deal Brexiteers are hoping will magically disappear once they crash out of Europe without a deal. From a much weaker position. It's absolute fecking madness. Mass hysteria on a national scale.

To be honest, there are a few countries in the EU that will go out of their way to get a deal done with us, even in a post a no deal exit.

I can’t see Brexit happening at all for the reasons you’ve mentioned above. It’ll be a second referendum and then remain. It’ll lead to a huge surge in far right support as a result.