That's racist... and genius.
UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)
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he he, Mr Starkey preformed harakiri, he looked utterly clueless at the very least, if not a full on racist. But that lady was right, hip hop glorifies materialism, if anything it changed as a consequence of the drive-by killings of 2Pac and Biggie Smalls - two rappers, and one in particularly who used to glorify the gangsta lifestyle, but heh, he was West Coast, they all did that. As Jones said, Starkey should've done some research, because he looked a complete bellend.
Not at it's roots, what you are referring to is actual a sub-genre called 'gangsta rap'.
Hip-Hop artists that don't do 'gangsta rap' (some very positive):
Common
The Roots
Talib Kweli
Akrobatik
B.O.B.
Beatnuts
Outkast
Biz Markie
KRS1
Black Sheep
Etc...
That's off my head, I can go on for pages...
There was a time when Punk/Rock was under this scrutiny, in a decade it'll be something else...
And in all honesty, if we are going to criticise musical influences why has no one mentioned grime?
oh yes! Genius."Listen blud..."
Did you do that Mocks?
Mockney you could actually bother reading your PMs.
What an utter cuntbag.
What an utter cuntbag.
Yeah. I was trying to make him sound more like a dick for ages, but it ended up no less funny than the normal interview anyway, so I just stuck to the rap ... Plus I got bored.
I have no idea what you want me to do Spoons...Plus I'm hungover.
Redcafe's Top 100 movies thread in the Ent Forum, go there and check for yourself. We're doing another top 100 movies list, so far we've got 25 poncy movie buffs taking part. And it's fecking cooler than doing blogs - just.
Shock and horror, white kids have no white insubordinate idols, they have to resort to idols of different skin colors.
I've heard the phrase "missing the mark", but diareeing all over the mark is a new thing to me. Well done.
It's good mate
Cheers mate. I could've made it much better if I'd spent longer on it...There's a lot of material there..I'm sure Cassetteboy or someone will do something good on it though.
If you cant see how insulting that is then youre no better than him.
A lot of you on this forum need to get a grip. Maybe poor choice of words but that's as far as it goes.
Is that your own word or one meant to be based on the word "diarrhoea?"
It's origin is diarrhea yes, I see you struggle with it as well.
Is the rioting pretty much over now then? No major incidents reported over this way, to my knowledge.
Seems mr. Cameron has managed to bring the UK together through his unifying speeches.
Nothing to see here
Fine, it can be spelled with or without the O. Does it matter when you actually have it. No. You'll be more occupied with the roughness of your toiletpaper and wondering why hadn't gone for the doves and angel shit that costs way more.
Anyhow, my point originally was that the riots happening in the UK have a real cause. Blaming rap or something of the like is complete nonsensical, and misses the point entirely. I for one find it interesting how Cameron is calling for the police. The fecker.
But that isn't really what he was saying. It was part of it, but he was doing it in entirely racial terms, as if white culture is alien to gangsterism or it's glorification, because "white culture" is what people like David Lammy aspire to in being respectable and successful. As Maitless pointed out, he was using "white and black interchangeably as good and bad" and as such, "black culture" was a by word for gangsta, or hard man, or criminal. The whole bit about David Lammy was disgraceful, whilst his ridiculing of patois completely overlooks the fact that one of the uses (and even possible sources) of white Cockney Rhyming slang was as a Thieves' cant.
As an historian he should probably know what by far the biggest instance of gangster glamorisation & iconisation in this country in the last 100 years was...
Yes it was only part of it. That's what he started off saying. By the time everyone had chimed in with their take on things none of it made much sense to me and I do feel some of the the points became even more twisted and muddled as a result of everyone getting so aggravated over the whole thing. Wasn't easy to listen to and I gave up.
Nice rug btw.
Starkey was almost certainly invited to speak because of his reputation for controversy, not because of his historical/cultural reputation. Sad, eh? Typical of our time though.
lol at Starkey... how can he think that'll come across as level-headed and not as a swipe at an ethnicity?
You would think that, as a historian specialising in Tudor studies, Starkey would possibly connect recent events with Henry VIII's campaign of naked greed and vandalism in the guise of the so-called English Reformation. But, I guess, Henry & co were English nobility - not like those nasty blacks or lower-class chavs - so his white-collar crimes were no such thing...
GB has the attention of the world right now. Question is how you react. Police?
Oh dearie dearie me. Don't forget, folks, rap is evil!! From the Telegraph's comment section of a Starkey/Newsnight article:
Oh dearie dearie me. Don't forget, folks, rap is evil!! From the Telegraph's comment section of a Starkey/Newsnight article:
Wow, I suspect that person reads children's literature, watches cert u films and has a collection of lovely water colour landscapes by Turner.
Oh dearie dearie me. Don't forget, folks, rap is evil!! From the Telegraph's comment section of a Starkey/Newsnight article:
They should hear the song 'Kim'.
I'm not an Eminem fan but even I understand that Stan is a bloody intelligent song about the negative effects of fame and success.
Steve, what did you mean about language becoming more 'shorthand'? Do you mean orthographic language, like text-speak?
Well, that's partly what I meant, mate (even though I really should have qualified my comment as 'spoken/written language' rather than just 'spoken').
How do you mean about spoken language though? More abbreviations? Acronyms???
I've worked in factories for most of my working life and, over the years, I've heard numerous conversations which were once like this:
"Did you watch the football last night?"
"Yeah, not a bad game, was it?"
...turn to this (in recent years):
"See football las' night?"
"Yeah, well good."
I appreciate the above is probably the worst, and least illuminating example in the history of language,
but it's accurate regarding my experiences. Many people, particularly males, are fearful of expressing themselves in any way which could be perceived as a less-than-macho manner.I guess we need oral exams in English classes at school as well as written ones.