UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)

[Eriku]

Woo! Quadruple quotage! In a row, no less!

Anyway, sorting out justifications surely isn't the kicker for whether a youth is taking to the streets looking for a new phone or plasma screen or whatever.

I also saw an article today pointing out that there were a fair few priveleged kids who'd had to line up in court, so obviously any blanket explanation isn't going to cover this.

 

[SmashedHombre]

They're definitely watching the news...

Probably on their newly acquired 40" Plasma

 

[Red Defence]

Woo! Quadruple quotage! In a row, no less!

Anyway, sorting out justifications surely isn't the kicker for whether a youth is taking to the streets looking for a new phone or plasma screen or whatever.

I also saw an article today pointing out that there were a fair few priveleged kids who'd had to line up in court, so obviously any blanket explanation isn't going to cover this.

Well the blanket theory from some of being poor, underpriveleged, jobless and victimised isn't.

Selfishness, thoughtlessness and poor parenting are sneaking a look in again though...

 

[Solius]

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West Midlands Police arrest two youths and a man in connection with deaths of three men in Birmingham

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Man in his early 20s arrested in connection with attack on Malaysian student in East London

Excellent Some guy got 6 months jail earlier for stealing water from Lidl, come down hard on these cnuts.

 

[rotherham_red]

 

[Drifter]

The prime minister promised he would do "whatever it takes" to restore order to the streets as he set out a range of measures aimed at helping businesses and homeowners affected by the riots.

They included:

To look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via social media when "we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality"

Plans to look at whether wider powers of curfew and dispersal orders were needed

New powers for police to order people to remove facemasks where criminality is suspected

Courts could be given tougher sentencing powers

Landlords could be given more power to evict criminals from social housing

Plans to extend the system of gang injunctions across the country and build on anti-gang programmes, similar to those in the US

He said the government would meet the cost of "legitimate" compensation claims and the time limit for applying would increase from 14 to 42 days

A £10m Recovery Scheme to provide additional support to councils in making areas "safe, clean and clear"

A new £20m high street support scheme to help affected businesses get back up and running quickly

Plans for the government to meet the immediate costs of emergency accommodation for families made homeless

 

[Raven Blade]

UK riots: Met police in dramatic raids on suspected looters - mirror.co.uk

SNATCH SQUAD: Police dawn raids on suspected looters | The Sun |News

Love it. The police must have hundreds of hours of footage of all these yobs - this is surveillance Britain after all. Add to that all the YouTube videos and Facebook, Twitter accounts of all the gloating thugs with their loot. Track them all down and make them pay for everything they stole.

 

[Raees]

Well the thing is, there are underlying reasons. Whether those rioting are aware of them or not is a different matter (I know that seems like a strange thing to say, but, yeah, I understand it.)...There are a lot of problems with the underclass in this country and how they're treated/behave/reacted to/react etc..But my mates point was about the counter productivity of trying to "understand" at this particular time.

Personally I've no idea where I stand on this. My liberal barrometer is all over the shop.




I agree...His point was - is it in the best interests to be giving fuel to this anger by finding quasi-legitimacy in it, at this particular time?...He essentially seemed to be advocating a black out on "understanding" this right now. In favour of shutting it up, and dealing with it at a later date.

There's alot of talk about this 'underclass' but I think these riots demonstrated there is a deep rot in the youth of today regardless of social class. Cameron was spot on when he talked about culture, this instant gratification, 'look at me', facebook, mobile-phone obsessed world. The thing is when these technologies were first introduced, many of us were of a sound age to appreciate them for what they were without losing our attachment to people and to values. The younger generation have grown up with technology and materialism thrust in their face, with education being of little value when its so easy to get your hands on all the expensive stuff without having to work for it or put any effort. Parenting is also massively to blame, buying kids expensive stuff before they've developed the mental faculties to excercise restraint when to use things, when to put them away and focus on your studies or spending time with your family instead. This is a major factor which is consistently overlooked and the likes of Labour clouding the issue with the cry 'there's no jobs for these poor kids blah blah' do not help.

Revenge attacks on who though?

Black youths and any white chavs roaming the streets. Hence why many innocents could be in danger, as it wouldn't be precise or specific, but just a general thirst for revenge. Like Ha-rooney said though, its just rumours.. but I'd remain vigilant nonetheless.

 

[Grinner]

It's not heckling (my bad I suppose for wording it such) it's a bloke putting across the concernes of his age group to a Mayor who has no clue and no response.

He's a twit, but what exactly does Boris have to do with the money being spent on Libya?

 

[Giggzinho]

Revenge attacks on who though?

black people from what ive heard around the areas that i live, a few of my friends have received texts/bbm's sayin everyday 3 black people will be killed and theyve also received texts/bbm's from black people sayin that they are being targeted and that they have to stick together, nothings happened though so far and god willing it doesnt go any further than these bbm's and texts

 

[Mickey]

Eh. Race wars is just what we need :/

 

[Giggzinho]

Eh. Race wars is just what we need :/

tell me about it, all seems like bullshit rumours at the moment though, i think what the guys dad said has proved vital in so far preventing anything from happening, youd be amazed, most people i know and where i work are singling out black people as the problem!

 

[Grinner]

I'm sure it's already old but I read that the Everton fans refused to travel to Spurs because all the good stuff's already been nicked.

 

[Silva]

I find it all hilarious to be honest. Especially people trying to find a social profile for the looters. The first night or two BBC World News was saying "black youths" Which I found really irritating because it was based on absolutely nothing other than stereotypes. Then it was downgrade to simply "Youth" now they have all these "experts" in trying to find something else. Well the simple truth is that the majority of the rioters were uneducated chavs (black, white and brown).

Another thing that pissed me off is the fact that they're saying this is "unexpected" and they get "experts" who don't even live in the UK to back up this narrative, then when they have Londoners saying "No, this has been as long time coming" the interviewers immediately challenge them on it.

Just a couple of days ago they were interviewing an old black Londoner who said there has been tension between the youths and the police for a while and the interviewer said "So you're condoning the violence". It was a complete piss take, then after the old man said no the interviewer went on to say "I believe you've taken part in riots yourself" which turned out to be demonstration. It just absolutely takes the piss.

Also, as for long term thinking - the only way to stop such things is a good proper education. Either that or make it illegal to be a chav.

 

[Mickey]

tell me about it, all seems like bullshit rumours at the moment though, i think what the guys dad said has proved vital in so far preventing anything from happening, youd be amazed, most people i know and where i work are singling out black people as the problem!

Closet racists coming out. Simple as. EDL yesterday are proof of that.

Obviously the majority of rioters were black, but they werent all black.

Look at that interview with the pleb from manchester covering his face (but was clearly white) with the black youths behind him. How anyone can say black kids are the problem is mind boggling. Its deeper than simply the colour of your skin.

 

[Giggzinho]

Closet racists coming out. Simple as. EDL yesterday are proof of that.

Obviously the majority of rioters were black, but they werent all black.

Look at that interview with the pleb from manchester covering his face (but was clearly white) with the black youths behind him. How anyone can say black kids are the problem is mind boggling. Its deeper than simply the colour of your skin.

closet racists of all types to be fair, just as many asians as white people coming out and saying blacks are the problem

 

[Mickey]

closet racists of all types to be fair, just as many asians as white people coming out and saying blacks are the problem

I agree, it is all types. Just using EDL as an example.

 

[Grinner]

Anyone who claims the rioters are a single group is a moron. Black, white, rich, poor, young, old, iPhone, Droid..........all types.

 

[Xander45]

Anyone who claims the rioters are a single group is a moron. Black, white, rich, poor, young, old, iPhone, Droid..........all types.

Of course, but I believe the majority of the rioters belong to the group labelled "moron" though.

 

[Grinner]

Of course, but I believe the majority of the rioters belong to the group labelled "moron" though.

I'd class them all as selfish.

 

[Silva]

It has to be said, the last few days have been great to be a criminal. My uncle made a joke about how all the laptops stolen would be in Albania soon. (Comedy doesn't translate very well, sorry). But it is a good point, people who are criminals and do steal things will have made a fortune, and the ones who do it anyway (those who have done it before and will do it again) aren't stupid enough to get caught (at least most of them anyway). The people who have been arrested are the ones who got caught up in it. But the streets will be better without them because they are absolute Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.

 

[Hectic]

Anyone who claims the rioters are a single group is a moron. Black, white, rich, poor, young, old, iPhone, Droid..........all types.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Xander45]

I'd class them all as selfish.

A fair point, there was that one girl who was in court last night that said she was walking home when she passed an electrical shop that was broken into standing there gaping. So she walked in and nicked a tele, selfish and oppurtunistic.

 

[Giggzinho]

Anyone who claims the rioters are a single group is a moron. Black, white, rich, poor, young, old, iPhone, Droid..........all types.

totally agree, just seems the spotlight is on black people which of course isnt fair

 

[Boss]

This brings a tear to my eye.

I've been really shook up by this story along with the stupidity our country is involved in right now.

RIP those that died.

 

[Grinner]

totally agree, just seems the spotlight is on black people which of course isnt fair

That's odd...the coverage I've seen here in the US has made me think that the majority of rioters are white chavs. I could be dodgy and say because they don't blend in so well at night....but I won't.

I kid...


I'd also say that immigrant groups have really come across the best.

 

[Silva]

That's odd...the coverage I've seen here in the US has made me think that the majority of rioters are white chavs. I could be dodgy and say because they don't blend in so well at night....but I won't.

I kid...


I'd also say that immigrant groups have really come across the best.

BBC world news has. up until footage of the rioters faces was shown in the media been running with "black youths/gangs"

 

[Grinner]

BBC world news has. up until footage of the rioters faces was shown in the media been running with "black youths/gangs"

Hmmm..I hadn't noticed that. Could be my conditioned racism from being a white kid from the seventies. I've also been using Fox and CNN who are usually more careful about race.

 

[Xander45]

BBC world news has. up until footage of the rioters faces was shown in the media been running with "black youths/gangs"

The first day did seem to be mainly black youths (from what i've seen and heard), but after that it became a free for all.

 

[Grinner]

The first day did seem to be mainly black youths (from what i've seen and heard), but after that it became a free for all.

Probably since Tottenham has a large black population. TBF, they may have been rioting for an actual reason but it rapidly became a free shopping excursion.

 

[Xander45]

Probably since Tottenham has a large black population. TBF, they may have been rioting for an actual reason but it rapidly became a free shopping excursion.

I never think there's an actual reason to riot they way that they did but it did start from the Duggan protests.

 

[Grinner]

I never think there's an actual reason to riot they way that they did but it did start with the Duggan protests.

I disagree...if you think the police have murdered somebody in your community then street protest is perfectly acceptable. The problem is it almost always ends up in trouble.

 

[Red Defence]

BBC world news has. up until footage of the rioters faces was shown in the media been running with "black youths/gangs"

That was during the first riot, probably because the majority did appear to be mainly black youths/gangs. They havent since then though. Not much point, we can see for ourselves from the footage.

 

[Xander45]

I disagree...if you think the police have murdered somebody in your community then street protest is perfectly acceptable. The problem is it almost always ends up in trouble.

I never meant that, street protests are perfectly fine, i mean there's no excuse for burning down shops, cars and houses and throwing bricks at the police.

 

[Mickey]

A fair point, there was that one girl who was in court last night that said she was walking home when she passed an electrical shop that was broken into standing there gaping. So she walked in and nicked a tele, selfish and oppurtunistic.

Youre forgetting to mention the fact that she felt bad and turned herself in afterwards, with the TV

 

[Xander45]

Youre forgetting to mention the fact that she felt bad and turned herself in afterwards, with the TV

You know the funny thing, i'm not forgetting that. The piece i saw didn't actually mention it so i never knew it in the first place! Ridiculous.

 

[Kinky Melinky]

SkyNewsBreak Sky News Newsdesk
West Midlands Police arrest two youths and a man in connection with deaths of three men in Birmingham

SkyNewsBreak Sky News Newsdesk
Man in his early 20s arrested in connection with attack on Malaysian student in East London

Excellent Some guy got 6 months jail earlier for stealing water from Lidl, come down hard on these cnuts.

I think it's good. I've just seen the news on Channel 4 and they do seem to be following their threats up. One lad got 4 months for looting, his face shown for everyone to see. I think it would have been a disaster if they didn't follow up the big talk. It would have reminded teenagers that they can still get away with committing crime and ultimately ruining the lives of innocent people.

With that teenager's mug on TV accompanied with a CRB I think he'll do well to land a decent job over the next 10 years

 

[Grinner]

Over the coming months I'll bet a lot of people will rue the choices they made.

 

[Kinky Melinky]

Over the coming months I'll bet a lot of people will rue the choices they made.

Yeah I think so. I was saying the same thing to the missus this morning. I'd say quite a few of these kids will be thinking '....why the feck did I get caught up in this shit...'

But it's the type of thing that doesn't leave you be. A criminal record is a complete monkey on your back.

I had my first class today in work. I've moved from months and months of advising into a training role. It's tougher in a way because you have 15 - 20 people in front of you with all sorts of backgrounds. Many do not want to be there. My first lesson I had a lad who just didn't want to be there. Before I could even start he was at me about how he's been on these programs for years and they've done feck all for him and that he's wasting his time. He informed me he knew what I was going to say, he knew the lessons and that it's got him absolutely nothing.

He then went on to say that he's been in and out of jail and that "....this place has fecking nothin' for me because I can't get no fecking job because I keep getting turned away because they see my record in'it..." and "...so it's all fecking bullshit. I wanted to get an internship that costs £6,000 but you don't want to pay for it....."

And so it continued.

It was all kept calm and I ended up talking to him about music. Obviously I did this on purpose and as I taught during the class I brought into the lesson good points he had made. He was a different man leaving, but what it really boils down to is that he made some stupid decisions, got locked up and he doesn't like the penalty he now pays.

It doesn't really have anything to do with the place I work. Nor does it have anything to do with our lesson plans. We've moved lots of unemployed into work. The system works if you work with it and the reason I know this is because I have first hand experience of it.

This guy just cannot shake the monkey off his back, and I can tell you here and now, behind the hard man image, he is telling younger teens to stay out of trouble

 

[surf]

It is right to blame the vandals and make them responsible for what they have doen, but the most important question is how do you change things. These youths need mentoring from role models in their community, and this is especially true of the younger ones who are more likely to be able to change. In the absence of a suitable father, the communities will have to engage in extensive grass roots efforts to do this. Mentoring is a long-term process that requires patience, trust and understanding.