That would only have been because of his priors. Had this been his first offence, I think a 6 month sentence would have been impossible. Other charges are less for first timers, which include burglary amongst other more serious offences.
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That would only have been because of his priors. Had this been his first offence, I think a 6 month sentence would have been impossible. Other charges are less for first timers, which include burglary amongst other more serious offences.
Yeah, I realise that. Still tickles me though when I think of it.
Would not surprise me, really.
Sounds like bollocks.
Re: Journo's offering money to youths. I hope the police act on that if there's any truth to it.
It's been pretty quiet in Leicester thankfully. I was worried about it going off here big time due to the diverse nature of the towns populace and the abundance of council estates that surround it but nothing apart from a few idiots smashing up poundstretcher a few nights back.
It's been pretty quiet in Leicester thankfully. I was worried about it going off here big time due to the diverse nature of the towns populace and the abundance of council estates that surround it but nothing apart from a few idiots smashing up poundstretcher a few nights back.
UK RIOTS: David Cameron's tough sentences? Yobs will be treated as if THEY'RE the victims | Mail Online
Spot on article which is surprising since it comes from the Mail.
Spot on article which is surprising since it comes from the Mail.
Good luck proving it.
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Justice system is broken and needs fixing. Why hasn't it been fixed? Someone is to blame.
Seems like inordinate amounts of money are spent on the bottom and top ends of society for no benefit other than straddling the middle with debts and costs.
Why can't we just end Asylum claims -say we won't accept asylum claims anymore.
He was really into that newspaper.
"A colleague working in a youth detention centre recently told me he is no longer allowed to call their rooms 'cells' because it infringed their human rights. And these were offenders who'd done very bad things, including sexual assault and extreme violence."
What the feck?
Can we just pull ouf of this Human Rights Act?
So much for the 'feral underclass'...
Middle class 'rioters' revealed: The millionaire's daughter, the aspiring musician and the organic chef all in the dock | Mail Online
Middle class 'rioters' revealed: The millionaire's daughter, the aspiring musician and the organic chef all in the dock | Mail Online
I believe that was in the Conservative manifesto, unfortunately the Liberals demanded we keep it in the coalition agreement. It's a shame because it's an awful piece of legislation that only really benefits criminals and human rights lawyers.
Good gesture.
Just because middle class idiots have been caught up in this it doesn't mean the issues and arguments regarding the lower class are now invalid, not that I'm sayin that's what you think, but I'm noticing this tone elsewhere...
Just goes to show this was nothing to do with politics, policy or a lack of opportunity and everything to do with greed and a lack of morals.
No it doesn't. The vast majority of rioters were not middle class. Of course there were elements of greed, but to deny problems relating to opportunity/jobs just because a small percentage of those involved come from very comfortable backgrounds is just wrong.
Been driving along the M25 the last couple of days past Enfield. The smoke is still on it from that Sony place that burnt down. The fumes of it choke you for about half a mile. Its still there today. I think it wont go till it pisses it down.
So no chance of it changing then. Once lawyers are making money they won't cut out this money spinner. If I recall correctly didn't Blair bring this in and isn't Cherie Blair a prominent HR Barrister?
Agreed. It's like the argument, 'But what about all the deprived kids whose parents bring them up well and who make something of themselves?' It's irrelevant... you will always get particularly impressive people and complete bellends, in any circumstances. The point is that out of any 100 people who have had shit upbringings, who have a lack of respect for authority and who have a propensity to join in shit like this, chronically deprived people will be vastly over-represented.
So, Duggan was carrying a loaded gun. The IPCC wrongly reported that Duggan fired first, which apparently the police never claimed. Also, the family don't think he would have fired the loaded gun at police. Good thing they don't think so.
I'm glad this all started over something that is very clear cut and not dubious circumstances.
I'm glad this all started over something that is very clear cut and not dubious circumstances.
Whilst historically that will be remembered as the cause realistically it wasn't (with the exception of that first night when it was only going off in Tottenham), what the actual reason is that people wanted to go on the rob.
The latter would not have happened without the original protest-cum-riot. It just snowballed from there.
It was a catalyst, but not the cause really.
It was 100% greed. They were stealing Ipads not loaves of bread.
lol cum
I'm surprised you didn't highlight 'snowball' too.
It's all about point of view and perspective.
My friend recently left a 'secure' childrens home. It is private. She left after being punched by a 15 year girl whom she was trying to stop jumping out of a moving car. However she told me it was just not that incident. The pay was crap and they never paid on time. No proper risk assessments were in place. One of the darlings set fire to an outside area, when the fire brigade turned up, they were not happy as they had not been informed the home was there or open. When they asked my friend for the house number she was unable to give it as they only had a mobile and no one had informed them of its number. When she wrote things in the handover book like "possible drugs abuse" she got shouted at as "the social worker will go mad when she sees it" My friend was exasperated and informed them thats the sort of thing they need to be addressing not ignoring. After writing up an incident report until 2am after the punching incident, she was informed that she would not get paid for the extra time she had to be there. She told him to stick his job.
In that scenario, I always say if you are willing to give up your job over it, then it's always worth whistleblowing.
Just watched Question Time on iPlayer...It's depressing how quickly people turn into a reactionary Daily Mail wet dream after a few fires and broken windows...
In fairness, there were a few decent audience members, and the panel did their best to put down the rabble rousing (aside from Prezza's little class war outburst), but the fact it's even being mooted that these kids should be evicted from their council flats and struck from benefits, let alone petitioned and cheered on national television is laughable. British law should never be made on the basis of revenge or shaudenfraudic punishment. No law should. Let alone such a short sighted, exceptionalist one.
Lets be sensible here. At root, with the tragic exceptions of 4 or 5 instances, these people aren't murderers, they aren't rapists or pedophiles descending on cities in a swoop of evil terror, they're kids stealing shoes, and yet apparently stoning's too good for them. Come on Britain, calm down a bit.
In fairness, there were a few decent audience members, and the panel did their best to put down the rabble rousing (aside from Prezza's little class war outburst), but the fact it's even being mooted that these kids should be evicted from their council flats and struck from benefits, let alone petitioned and cheered on national television is laughable. British law should never be made on the basis of revenge or shaudenfraudic punishment. No law should. Let alone such a short sighted, exceptionalist one.
Lets be sensible here. At root, with the tragic exceptions of 4 or 5 instances, these people aren't murderers, they aren't rapists or pedophiles descending on cities in a swoop of evil terror, they're kids stealing shoes, and yet apparently stoning's too good for them. Come on Britain, calm down a bit.
The former is going to happen in Salford, it baffles me but that's what happens when you break the Poison Dwarfs window I guess.
The latter is just completely ridiculous, I can imagine when they bring it before parliament, it'll raise a few laughs at least.
Council housing is limited. Decent people falling on hard times should get access to it before looters. It's not like people are being chucked out and the house burned down out of spite.
Her daughter and I are trying to encourage that idea.
Do, the risk with whistleblowing is losing your job (though it should never come to that), so if she really wants to leave, she literally has nothing to lose.
So if a mother, or father is a looter, do their kids get kicked out too?..If the kids are looters, do the parents?...Who is that going to help exactly? No one. It'll just create yet more division and practically guarantee this kind of thing happening again.
What if they were done for stealing a pair of trainers...Does everyone who steals a pair of trainers from here on out have to be evicted too? If not, that's patently inconsistent and hypocritical. Should David Cameron be prohibited from being Prime Minister because he's on record admitting trashing and setting fire to Burlingdon club when he was a stupid kid?
Again, it's being mooted out of the mob mentality desire for revenge, or to see punishment inflicted for this one specific high profile case. It's an incredibly stupid way to pass law.