aleni
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fecking disgrace!!! wtf they were doing in second half!! playing for 1-0 and then defending!!! it is not the way to win!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Enrique Deschamps:
<strong>I dont think we´ll be champions drawing to a mediocre team</strong><hr></blockquote>
Problem is, they deserved it on performance.
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>fecking calamity. Total fecking disaster. You'd think they don't want to win the bloody title.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It seems as they don´t , really
Why were they talking about revenge?
Revenge would have been 3-0
Originally posted by Enrique Deschamps:
<strong>I dont think we´ll be champions drawing to a mediocre team</strong><hr></blockquote>
ere we go
bring on the doomsday merchants
im counting the minutes till someoen pops up and says fergie should be sacked
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>We were doing alright, but it looked like we were fecking settling on 1-0. Cocked it up big time, the united way - boro last season. We have to hope arsenal lose today, never mind draw.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but after this game where will the Arse drop points (maybe their derby). We'll still play Liverpool and Newcastle... definitely a shock today.
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
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ere we go
bring on the doomsday merchants
im counting the minutes till someoen pops up and says fergie should be sacked</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sacked no.
Know when to make changes, yes.
Originally posted by Elfie:
<strong>...Ferguson must be furious... <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
With himself I hope.
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>What happened to the days when Ole would come in for 15 minutes and bag a goal? What happened to all those late goals United used to produce? I think SAF knows the defense is top notch and is playing not to lose points right now...sort of like in American football where a prevent defense only prevents a win. He should know that United always need that second goal. 1-0 games always have some fluke goal or breakdown that results in a draw when it should have been a win. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Mastering the lone/withdrawn striker system is one thing. Does it mean we abandon completely 4-4-2, even when the game is crying out for it?
Originally posted by manufanatic:
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Could we have killed off the game Sure but we lack the killer instinct save the WestHam game. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Hardly a recommendation, with their defence tho.
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>Just a thought, if Veron is sold in the offseason, would SAF move Beckham to CM and deploy Ole to RW and use the Veron money to purchase a world class striker (Shevchenko, Ronaldhino, Cisse, Crespo, Vieri)? Purchase a young winger to groom as a RW, knowing that Ole would be an option at striker too. Just wondering what your opinions on this scenario would be. I think that Beckham will stay at RW and Scholes would assume his starting role again.</strong><hr></blockquote>Veron's been amazing this season. Fergie would never sell him.
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>I've never questioned SAF's lineups, but with revenge in mind and goal differential looming as a large factor in the title race, why not start Ole up front with RVN?
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Maybe because if they were successful it would feck up his 5 man midfield ploy.
65 goals between them last season, most prolific pair in Europe, and he won't even give them a run this.
When they do play in the same game, it isn't as a pair.
Originally posted by Mr_Wood:
<strong>Veron's been amazing this season. Fergie would never sell him.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really? He's had some great games, yes, but he's also had his share of 'deer in the headlights.'
Originally posted by manufanatic:
<strong>We are in the process of redefining the way United Play. Its obvious that SAF wants it this way and in the end he may be proved right but i tell you what if we allow ARSEnal to stroll into our half we will get crushed.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We need to be able to play the British way as well as the European.
I'm just so frustrated, not because we didn't win, but because we didn't pull out all the stops to do so.
Originally posted by dar10nian:
<strong>disappointed we didn't win; but i thought we played some the best football in the 1st half. Keano, Giggs and Beckham were magnificant, and the defence kept Fowler and Anelka quiet. We good have killed them off early in the 2nd half with the one on one for RVN, but overall, we played well. just have to accept these things happen, like the Heskey equaliser against Arsenal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Heskey is a crap player. Ruud isn't.
And despite playing better football than we did last season - and probably the season before as well - we aren't scoring goals like we did in either of those seasons.
I cannot believe that we persist with one striker when we are at home. Starting off that way is one thing, but to persist when goal difference (not to mention three points) is so vital??? Stubborn-ness taken to a new level imo.
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>thing is livvie, who would you leave on the bench if we used 4-4-2, veron or scholes?. It's a dilema but i always thought we need 2 strikers on the pitch for the majroity of a home game.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Personally, I would leave Veron on the bench if I was playing 4-4-2, assuming that Scholes was in form. And if Scholes was having a poor game, then I'd replace him with Veron.
But there has to be times when you use two strikers and I don't care how much abuse I get, today's defeat was down to wrong tactics, and if you can't blame the manager for starting the game playing a withdrawn striker, then you must certainly blame him for not changing it before the 87th minute.
You could also look at in a simple fashion. We played well against Saints and scored twice. We played less well against Birmingham and scored once. I would have played the eleven who started against Saints, maybe with Scholes instead of Veron.
Originally posted by Mr_Wood:
<strong>Veron's been amazing this season. Fergie would never sell him.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You'll have to excuse me if I question this ridiculous statement.
Veron must go in the summer!!!!!
Originally posted by Bill Molloy:
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You'll have to excuse me if I question this ridiculous statement.
Veron must go in the summer!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I like Veron, but United have won nothing since he arrived and unsettled a solid midfield. I say use the fee received to purchase a world class striker. It wouldn't bother me if Veron remained at OT, but I would rather use the money to buy a striker and an understudy to Ryan Giggs.
Originally posted by Bill Molloy:
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You'll have to excuse me if I question this ridiculous statement.
Veron must go in the summer!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
The question is then who to, and if we are better off selling him or keeping him. Given that we already have him, there is no point offloading him now. He's beginning to gell with the rest of the team, and I doubt that he was at fault for us not scoring today. Seba should stay. We wouldn't recoup the money we spent on him, and he's doing a far better job for us now than before.
Originally posted by tareq abd albari:
<strong>The lesson learnd today is that 1-0 is never a result to count on</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think an university student or lecturer need to "learn" how to calculate the result of "1+1" though.