United 1 City 1.....09-02-03.....EPL.

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fecking disgrace!!! wtf they were doing in second half!! playing for 1-0 and then defending!!! it is not the way to win!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Originally posted by Enrique Deschamps:
<strong>I dont think we´ll be champions drawing to a mediocre team</strong><hr></blockquote>

Problem is, they deserved it on performance.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>fecking calamity. Total fecking disaster. You'd think they don't want to win the bloody title.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It seems as they don´t , really
Why were they talking about revenge?
Revenge would have been 3-0
 
COME ON NEWCASTLE!!!!!!!!!!! U GOTTA WIN THE GAME B/W ARSE!!!!!! HELPING MAN UTD TO CLOSE THE GAP!!
AND NOW, I'M OFF TO BED AGAIN......
NITE UNITED............ <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
We were doing alright, but it looked like we were fecking settling on 1-0. Cocked it up big time, the united way - boro last season. We have to hope arsenal lose today, never mind draw.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>We were doing alright, but it looked like we were fecking settling on 1-0. Cocked it up big time, the united way - boro last season. We have to hope arsenal lose today, never mind draw.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, but after this game where will the Arse drop points (maybe their derby). We'll still play Liverpool and Newcastle... definitely a shock today.
 
1 point from 6....if we don't win the Title they'll be boasting that they took it off us! Its not over until the fat lady sings...c'mon Newcastle....course if they win we'll have the barcodes up our backsides & all...should have done the business today
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
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ere we go
bring on the doomsday merchants

im counting the minutes till someoen pops up and says fergie should be sacked</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sacked no.

Know when to make changes, yes.
 
We lacked agressivity. Manchester City made the game, as if our players were happy with 1-0. But we were at home ! With Arsenal, Juventus coming soon, it's not the moment to fall asleep...Ferguson must be furious... <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
Originally posted by Elfie:
<strong>...Ferguson must be furious... <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


With himself I hope.
 
What happened to the days when Ole would come in for 15 minutes and bag a goal? What happened to all those late goals United used to produce? I think SAF knows the defense is top notch and is playing not to lose points right now...sort of like in American football where a prevent defense only prevents a win. He should know that United always need that second goal. 1-0 games always have some fluke goal or breakdown that results in a draw when it should have been a win. What ticks me off is now City fans will be on this forum and we'll have to deal with 1 point in 2 matches for the next year. Of course, if United go on to win the title, then they'll have more to harass us on. But I'll trade 1 point for a championship any day.
 
I agree that changes could have been made earlier. City had the upper hand throughout the second half and we only made a substitution with 3 minutes to go that reacted to the equaliser.
 
As i was watching the game i always had a sneaking feeling that city would get a goal.. We never looked totally in command and City at times dominated play in our midfield. they just strolled within 30 yards of the goal so many times they were bound to score. Even though we once again spurned many chances City could have won the game. Caroll looked like the game was to big for him. He made some saves but they were really making up for poor positioning on his part. the goal wasnt his fault but he could have let in 2 or 3 with his decisions. I just had that feeling much like i did when we played the arse in 98 at home and Munich a few years back it seems when we do give up a late goal its in the 86 minute. Honestly our response wasnt what i expected. Fair play to city they started out playing liverpool style then because we let them they came onto us and in the end probably deserved the draw. IT reminded how we play on the road in the Championsleague we gave them far to much respect IMO. ARSE must be looking at this as their chance to end the prem now. I posted a thread after the first city game saying the Day the Premiership was lost could this be part II hopefully we will respond with a good effort on saturday and win the rest of our games. Only 1 goal concided the last 3 games but we drop 2 points at home :(
 
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>What happened to the days when Ole would come in for 15 minutes and bag a goal? What happened to all those late goals United used to produce? I think SAF knows the defense is top notch and is playing not to lose points right now...sort of like in American football where a prevent defense only prevents a win. He should know that United always need that second goal. 1-0 games always have some fluke goal or breakdown that results in a draw when it should have been a win. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Mastering the lone/withdrawn striker system is one thing. Does it mean we abandon completely 4-4-2, even when the game is crying out for it?
 
Mastering the lone/withdrawn striker system is one thing. Does it mean we abandon completely 4-4-2, even when the game is crying out for it?

Agree totally, Like i said twas like we were in the CL playing the likes of JUVE or Real. THis is City at home we needed to go after them. They pressured our midfield we did nothing to them. You cant let even a mid table premiership side just continue to stroll in your half of the field. Could we have killed off the game Sure but we lack the killer instinct save the WestHam game. The passes where inches away and the city keeper played well RVN took all day on his clear cut chance but in the end City looked like scoring and could have pipped it in the end.
 
If the Toon win then it is truly a 3 horse race and Newcastle gets us at their place By god could Robson win the title at NewCastle Unbelievably it could happen <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
Originally posted by manufanatic:
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Could we have killed off the game Sure but we lack the killer instinct save the WestHam game. </strong><hr></blockquote>


Hardly a recommendation, with their defence tho.
 
I've never questioned SAF's lineups, but with revenge in mind and goal differential looming as a large factor in the title race, why not start Ole up front with RVN? Then, bring on Scholes late if need be. I don't like this one forward striker and an attacking midfielder playing in a forward position. SAF needs to play 4-4-2 only, even if that means dropping Veron or Scholes. United would have 60 points, maybe more, if SAF would stick to 2 strikers. I definitely see a move for a striker in the offseason.

Just a thought, if Veron is sold in the offseason, would SAF move Beckham to CM and deploy Ole to RW and use the Veron money to purchase a world class striker (Shevchenko, Ronaldhino, Cisse, Crespo, Vieri)? Purchase a young winger to groom as a RW, knowing that Ole would be an option at striker too. Just wondering what your opinions on this scenario would be. I think that Beckham will stay at RW and Scholes would assume his starting role again.
 
Hardly a recommendation, with their defence tho.

Very true, west ham is more attune to div 1 side. We are so much better defensively but we just cant seem to finish as well. You cant keep winning 1-0 all the time you will get caught and we did.
 
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>Just a thought, if Veron is sold in the offseason, would SAF move Beckham to CM and deploy Ole to RW and use the Veron money to purchase a world class striker (Shevchenko, Ronaldhino, Cisse, Crespo, Vieri)? Purchase a young winger to groom as a RW, knowing that Ole would be an option at striker too. Just wondering what your opinions on this scenario would be. I think that Beckham will stay at RW and Scholes would assume his starting role again.</strong><hr></blockquote>Veron's been amazing this season. Fergie would never sell him.
 
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>I've never questioned SAF's lineups, but with revenge in mind and goal differential looming as a large factor in the title race, why not start Ole up front with RVN?

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Maybe because if they were successful it would feck up his 5 man midfield ploy.

65 goals between them last season, most prolific pair in Europe, and he won't even give them a run this.

When they do play in the same game, it isn't as a pair.
 
Originally posted by Mr_Wood:
<strong>Veron's been amazing this season. Fergie would never sell him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? He's had some great games, yes, but he's also had his share of 'deer in the headlights.'
 
We are in the process of redefining the way United Play. Its obvious that SAF wants it this way and in the end he may be proved right but i tell you what if we allow ARSEnal to stroll into our half we will get crushed.
 
Originally posted by manufanatic:
<strong>We are in the process of redefining the way United Play. Its obvious that SAF wants it this way and in the end he may be proved right but i tell you what if we allow ARSEnal to stroll into our half we will get crushed.</strong><hr></blockquote>


We need to be able to play the British way as well as the European.

I'm just so frustrated, not because we didn't win, but because we didn't pull out all the stops to do so.
 
We need to be able to play the British way as well as the European.


Agreed, But wouldnt you think with our starting 11 we should be able to play a more aggressive style. Berkovitch was outstanding today in midfield for City and i actually breathed a sigh of relief when he went off but then Goeter scored 22 seconds later :( ARSE must be chomping at the bit to see of newcastle today and jump out to a 5 pt lead
 
disappointed we didn't win; but i thought we played some the best football in the 1st half. Keano, Giggs and Beckham were magnificant, and the defence kept Fowler and Anelka quiet. We good have killed them off early in the 2nd half with the one on one for RVN, but overall, we played well. just have to accept these things happen, like the Heskey equaliser against Arsenal.
 
Originally posted by dar10nian:
<strong>disappointed we didn't win; but i thought we played some the best football in the 1st half. Keano, Giggs and Beckham were magnificant, and the defence kept Fowler and Anelka quiet. We good have killed them off early in the 2nd half with the one on one for RVN, but overall, we played well. just have to accept these things happen, like the Heskey equaliser against Arsenal.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Heskey is a crap player. Ruud isn't.

And despite playing better football than we did last season - and probably the season before as well - we aren't scoring goals like we did in either of those seasons.

I cannot believe that we persist with one striker when we are at home. Starting off that way is one thing, but to persist when goal difference (not to mention three points) is so vital??? Stubborn-ness taken to a new level imo.
 
There's pluses and minuses to our system.

5 midfielders gets us a hell of a lot of the game, but there's been at least half a dozen games this season where we have absolutely pissed all over the other team and not turned it into goals.

Goals win games, .. having 80% of the game and not scoring doesn't!

Terry Henry just scored as well. The day gets better ...NOT
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>thing is livvie, who would you leave on the bench if we used 4-4-2, veron or scholes?. It's a dilema but i always thought we need 2 strikers on the pitch for the majroity of a home game.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Personally, I would leave Veron on the bench if I was playing 4-4-2, assuming that Scholes was in form. And if Scholes was having a poor game, then I'd replace him with Veron.

But there has to be times when you use two strikers and I don't care how much abuse I get, today's defeat was down to wrong tactics, and if you can't blame the manager for starting the game playing a withdrawn striker, then you must certainly blame him for not changing it before the 87th minute.

You could also look at in a simple fashion. We played well against Saints and scored twice. We played less well against Birmingham and scored once. I would have played the eleven who started against Saints, maybe with Scholes instead of Veron.
 
Originally posted by Mr_Wood:
<strong>Veron's been amazing this season. Fergie would never sell him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You'll have to excuse me if I question this ridiculous statement.

Veron must go in the summer!!!!!
 
Originally posted by Bill Molloy:
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You'll have to excuse me if I question this ridiculous statement.

Veron must go in the summer!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I like Veron, but United have won nothing since he arrived and unsettled a solid midfield. I say use the fee received to purchase a world class striker. It wouldn't bother me if Veron remained at OT, but I would rather use the money to buy a striker and an understudy to Ryan Giggs.
 
Originally posted by Bill Molloy:
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You'll have to excuse me if I question this ridiculous statement.

Veron must go in the summer!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

The question is then who to, and if we are better off selling him or keeping him. Given that we already have him, there is no point offloading him now. He's beginning to gell with the rest of the team, and I doubt that he was at fault for us not scoring today. Seba should stay. We wouldn't recoup the money we spent on him, and he's doing a far better job for us now than before.
 
The lesson learnd today is that 1-0 is never a result to count on, When we play at home we should be more comfortable,,,F someone doesnt know old Trafford & saw the game, He would have thought that it was played at City's ground.
 
Originally posted by tareq abd albari:
<strong>The lesson learnd today is that 1-0 is never a result to count on</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think an university student or lecturer need to "learn" how to calculate the result of "1+1" though.
 
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