United 2-0 Stuttgart....11/12/03...CL

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Gazza said:
Anyone using this pathetic "City are crap" excuse evidently doesn't understand football. It's a derby. City have a good side who are in a rut - they'll be itching to put one over us on saturday. Besides it is moot - I will succumb to the knowledge of anyone who believes Roy will play on tuesday and not saturday if that is indeed the case. :smirk:
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You are the most arrogant tosser I've known in this forum. How many times did you hear ppl say Pool are crap in this forum but actually they are better than City? And you are probably one of them.
One lesson for your little stupid mind: always try to understand what people want behind what they are actually saying. Of course everyone know that in a bad day, even Wolves can beat us. The reason i want to play Keano on Tuesday and not on the weekend because i feel the Stuggart game is more important than the City match. Secondly I want to see Kleberson to combine with Scholes in the centre and the City match would be a less difficult match. We can still play Keano later on in the second half if we have problem with city. If you are living in Manchester and you feel the City match is more important, fine then.
 
Strange that Stuttgart and Siddy should follow each other in the fixture list; they're kind of important fixtures, but they're also kind of not too :wenger:

Hopefully this will make sense of that...

Stuttgart: sure we should be going all out to top the group (as I have a ticket I REALLY hope we do), but if we come second we're still through, so its important but not the end of the world if we dont. We perform better against the big sides in Europe anyway.

City: Sure its the derby, but they're hardly rivals. Its not like the old days when we'd be pissed off for a month if we lost to them. We're embroiled in a fabulous title chase so it really is just another 3 ppints. Liverpoo, Chelsea and Arsenal evoke far more passion these days. I went to the last Derby and, Keano aside, there wasnt a full on challange in the whole game, dull frankly. Shame but true.

How's that......
:D
 
I think this is an important game for United to win in order to receive first place in the group and hopefully play an easier competitor in the next round. My opinion is that Keane and Howard should definately start in this game. We will need Keane's experience and Howard is a much better shot blocked than Carroll. (also it will be good experience for Howard)
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
I'd rest Keano, Ruud and Silvestre - those are the ones important to keep fit.

Line-up:

------------Howard----------
G.Nveille--Rio--Sir John--Fortune
-----Kleberson--Butt----------
Ronaldo-----Scholes-----Giggs
------------Forlan------------
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Agree with this entirely.
 
BBC is saying Tim Howard will be rested for the champions league match against stuttgart.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Since when did Saturday appear twice in the same week? :lol:
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Ok, let's work this out logically.

United vs. Villa kicked off @ 1500hrs on Saturday = 1st game

United vs. VfB Stuttgart on Tuesday = 2nd game

United vs. city kicks off @ 1230hrs on Saturday so will finish before 1430hrs = 3rd game

We are all agreed that makes 3 games aren't we? This footballing week commenced at 1500hrs on Saturday 6/12 and will end at (approx) 1430hrs on Saturday 13/12. That'll be 6 days, 23 hours and 30 minutes. Bloody hell, that means 3 games in less than a week.

:)
 
The City game is absolutely crucial:

It's the Derby. Last season they took 4 off us. There is pride at stake, and that's what football's about. We have to beat City at Old Trafford, if we don't it's a humiliation and a minor disaster, and if you don't feel that then you're no United fan. wherever you live.

It's vitally important also that we win all our home games against poor and mediocre sides. City can be mediocre or very decent, but whether we take it as a cup final or not, they certainly will. Against us they will try their guts out, twice as hard as ordinary games, and make it very hard indeed for us. So if we're to stay in touch with the leaders, we have to take this as seriously as games against the top clubs.

The Stuttgart game is not nearly so important. Worst case scenario - we qualify second and have to beat a top team. Obviously we'd prefer an easy run, but ultimately if we're not able to beat whoever we get, we're not gonna win it. If, as best case scenario, we come top and avoid Real Madrid, who then lose to a side we regard as weaker, then that side is a force to be reckoned with and we may end up wishing it was them we avoided.

Moral of the story: play a competitive but not full-strength side against Stuttgart. Rest Tim, Mik, Keano, Scholesy and Ruud. If we're fecking it up get Mik and Ruud on, but not Keano and Scholesy for only half an hour. If we're winning comfortably get Giggsy and Ronaldo off.
 
Its not like the old days when we'd be pissed off for a month if we lost to them.

so i'm over reacting if i'm still ripped from last season? i'd rather finish 2nd in the group then lose to siddy! sorry old habits die hard.
 
Play the 1st team in both games, most the 1st teamers are rested since we had the carling cup match last week and they arent exactly traveling around the world for these matches.
 
mozza said:
Play the 1st team in both games, most the 1st teamers are rested since we had the carling cup match last week and they arent exactly traveling around the world for these matches.
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It's a long season though, and they WILL be travelling later. Plus Scholesy's just back, and we can't feck around where Keano's concerned any more.
 
afanofManutd said:
You are the most arrogant tosser I've known in this forum. How many times did you hear ppl say Pool are crap in this forum but actually they are better than City? And you are probably one of them.
One lesson for your little stupid mind: always try to understand what people want behind what they are actually saying. Of course everyone know that in a bad day, even Wolves can beat us. The reason i want to play Keano on Tuesday and not on the weekend because i feel the Stuggart game is more important than the City match. Secondly I want to see Kleberson to combine with Scholes in the centre and the City match would be a less difficult match. We can still play Keano later on in the second half if we have problem with city. If you are living in Manchester and you feel the City match is more important, fine then.
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Your argument must be indisputable if you're referring to so many insults. Most in this thread have agreed with me - are they all tossers?
 
Have to admit Gazza...you do sometimes come across as arrogant.
 
I don't think I'm arrogant. If I come across as such it's not my intention. I find it unbelievable that people who want to rest Keano against City because they are not in the best of form at the moment are accusing me of arrogance.
 
And BTW I have never resorted to the childish "Liverpool are crap" or "City are shit" remarks that Afanofmanutd (who btw like sporting fc has been on these forums less than 5 minutes) accused me of.
 
Well and good if we win but we could also give the team who played Villa a rest. I think SAF would do this and Djemba, Butt, Fletcher, Scholes, Bellion and Forlan could feature. A win tonite does not guarantee we win in the next match as we saw last year. We beat Juventus in the group but they made it to the final. Did Juventus field their top team against us last year or were they injuries ? I do not remember seeing Trezeguet playing in that match. Giving new players a chance may be useful in the latter stages of the competition as wel as resting the regulars. If this team of non regulars win, it wil give them the confidence we can bank on should we get hit with injuries later. Getting past the first round stages remains the objective. Topping the group is icing on the cake. Thus, we have to remain shrewd and risk losing battles to win the war. Have a feeling Stuttgart will think likewise. At this stage, all teams are formidable opponents yet equally vulnerable. We should not only respect Real and AC Milan only.
 
Gazza said:
And BTW I have never resorted to the childish "Liverpool are crap" or "City are shit" remarks that Afanofmanutd (who btw like sporting fc has been on these forums less than 5 minutes) accused me of.
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So i guess you must have been here more than 5 minutes, that makes you become an important man in this forum. I see, just a bloody few more minutes, that is all the matter. :lol:, just joking mate, you have a lot of posts, so you must be here long before me.
Dont push Sporting Fan into this. After all he only made a little comment. BTW, I take my comment back: City is no shit. End of the story.
 
i originally thought that we couldnt face real madrid until the quarters, but wasnt too sure. however i just read this on soccernet

Going into the final round of matches, only holders AC Milan are confirmed group winners. Juventus, Real Madrid and Chelsea - who United cannot play anyway - will probably top their pools too. After that though, the picture becomes very murky.
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=131693&cc=3436

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if we cant play real or juve, then i say send out a few of the young guns.
 
Gazza said:
Biggest game of the season so far? Not Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle, Chelsea or Rangers? Come off it.
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Yes, in terms of importance this is the biggest game of the season so far.

Gazza said:
We will be meeting a class team in 2nd round regardless of where we finish. We may avoid Real but then what about Inter, Bayern, Juve, all of whom may finish 2nd?
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It's a game of probabilities. It's more likely to get an easier draw if you top the group, simple as that.

Gazza said:
We have to BEAT THE BEST TO BE THE BEST and if that means Real so be it. We have a Massive (scuse me) game on saturday and a very hectic schedule coming up if we are to stay in the hunt.
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This is the biggest fecking cliche' in sports. You don't have to beat the best to win the goddamn cup, hell you don't even have to win the last three games as AC MILAN proved last year.

How many fecking times the winner of the CUP has NOT been the best team :smirk:

WE NEED TO WIN TO AVOID CLASHING WITH REAL, JUVE, CHELSEA, MILAN etc RIGHT AWAY.
 
Gazza said:
The City match on saturday is MILES more important than this one.
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Kidding me :drunk:

City is a stupid midtable team. Three points at stake.
The others are Bundesliga leaders. CL placing at stake.
 
i think SAF will keep Keano, RVN, Scholes in the bench.. they only play in 60 minutes or so... and Caroll definetly will played tonight.
 
MancFanFromManc said:
City: Sure its the derby, but they're hardly rivals. Its not like the old days when we'd be pissed off for a month if we lost to them.
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I'll be very, very, very pissed off if we don't give Siddy a sound thrashing on Saturday after the debacle at Maine Road last year and I think Sir Alex and the players know that.

Tonight's important but it's not going to be the end of the world if we don't finish top of the group. It seems obvious that Keano isn't going to play and that Scholes is going to start. The whole point is that we've got a squad of players and we need to use them. Saturday against Villa was important because of the loss to Chelsea, we needed to bounce back, and the midweek game vs West Brom was a nothing game so all the players were fresh -> play a strong team. Tonight, we want to win but it doesn't change much if we don't. Saturday v City, there's local pride - which is important and always has been, this is Manchester United - at stake and three more premiership points.

Two more 4 nils would do nicely! :devil:
 
and you nimmers who think that topping the group we'd avoid a great side.... last yr MUFC top the group and play

wait for it....................................



REAL feckIN MADRID


BEAT SIDDY!
 
The only change Id like to see today is Keano rested and scholes bought in. Phizza and Kleb would be the midfield 2, Kleb playing the role he does for Brazil and Scholes behind Ruud. Otherwise the same as the last match.
 
I'd like to ask how people felt after that day in November and then tell me it's only 3 points at stake.

We haven't beaten City since 2000.
 
Suedesi said:
Yes, in terms of importance this is the biggest game of the season so far.



It's a game of probabilities. It's more likely to get an easier draw if you top the group, simple as that.



This is the biggest fecking cliche' in sports. You don't have to beat the best to win the goddamn cup, hell you don't even have to win the last three games as AC MILAN proved last year.

How many fecking times the winner of the CUP has NOT been the best team :smirk:

WE NEED TO WIN TO AVOID CLASHING WITH REAL, JUVE, CHELSEA, MILAN etc RIGHT AWAY.
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I agree. I honestly feel that if us and Juve had played Real in a different order last season we'd have been in the final. This game is hugely important and needs to be approached as such. I'm sure Fergie knows that.
 
Gazza said:
BBC reports Sir Alex is resting Keano. :D

I'm saying nothing. ;)
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Resting Keano and resting half the team are two different things. I'd expect the rest of the big names to be out there.
 
I haven't been advocating the resting of half a team though, JSV. I merely pointed out the fact that Scholes will play and Keano would be rested. And I was right. ;)
 
mu77 said:
and you nimmers who think that topping the group we'd avoid a great side.... last yr MUFC top the group and play

wait for it....................................



REAL feckIN MADRID
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That was a second phase group, and Real beat us in the last 8. You are not going to get an easy game in the last 8!

This is different, it's doing our best to avoid decent competition in the last 16.
 
JSV said:
Resting Keano and resting half the team are two different things. I'd expect the rest of the big names to be out there.
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I agree. That's why Giggsy and Ruud were taken off on saturday but Roy played the full 90.
 
Gazza said:
BBC say that SAF has decided to rest Roy Keane.

Good enough for me. ;)
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The same BBC page also says this:

Man Utd (from): Howard, Carroll, G Neville, Ferdinand, Silvestre, O'Shea, Fortune, Forlan, Fletcher, P Neville, Scholes, Butt, Keane, Kleberson, Ronaldo, Giggs, Van Nistelrooy, Bellion.

:smirk:
 
WeasteDevil said:
The same BBC page also says this:

Man Utd (from): Howard, Carroll, G Neville, Ferdinand, Silvestre, O'Shea, Fortune, Forlan, Fletcher, P Neville, Scholes, Butt, Keane, Kleberson, Ronaldo, Giggs, Van Nistelrooy, Bellion.

:smirk:
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Thats the squad though weaste. not the team. If this game was in stuttgart i bet roy wouldnt even have travelled. we'll see though. chances are you could be right. although likelihood is youre wrong. ;)
 
Gazza said:
Thats the squad though weaste. not the team. If this game was in stuttgart i bet roy wouldnt even have travelled. we'll see though. chances are you could be right. although likelihood is youre wrong. ;)
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Depends what mood he is in.

From The Guardian:

Ferguson has more to consider, however. United, already through to the knock-out stages, host Manchester City in the Premiership on Saturday in their first derby match of the season. With that in mind, the manager is speculating about resting a number of players, including his captain Roy Keane and the goalkeeper Tim Howard.

"I don't know how to approach this game to be hon est," said Ferguson. "Right now, you can't be sure who the other winners or the runners-up are going to be. You could win the group, for example, and then get Bayern Munich as one the runners-up."
 
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