Are you out of your mind?! Since when the British press is part of the equation of United's success or failure?! Gosh!
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He'll be the last one standing and his knowledge of the inner workings of the club will be invaluable to LvG. He obviously realises that and wants him a part of it, even if some of our fans obviously don't. The one thing I don't agree with is that we suddenly have to find roles for Neville, Scholes and Butt. That's utter bullshit. The natural progression for Giggs in particular was always onto the coaching side, it's been talked about for years.
How many number 2's have openly admitted to wanting the managers job? how many are almost guaranteed (it seems) the job in 2-3 years? on top of that I think it's clear that LvG would prefer his own man. If you can't see a possible problem then I think you're being a bit naive.
Isn't the whole 'inner workings of the club' thing a bit of an assumption. He was 'only' ever a player under Ferguson and lasted (if reports are true) until October before he was cut out of Moyes' coaching loop. Before that had he had the same insight and relationship with management and playing staff as every other player there, didn't he?
I don't get practically what 'knowledge of inner workings' means. Where the keys are? That you have to whack the telly in the locker room on the side twice before it comes on? Practically what does it mean and what can he provide that Ferguson, already at the club, cant'.
In terms of players - players are players everywhere. We're not special in that regard and top managers like van Gaal go into big clubs all the time.
I can see how you logic is coming from but it is terrible conclusion from your logic.
The unique situation of Man United should be compared to any other football clubs?!! You have to be very stupid to have thought it that way.
How many Ryan Giggs in this whole fecking football world? How many footballer with so many medals under his spell have worked with one successful manager for 26 years? Name one for me! Oh wait don't, I don't want to waste my time on this with you!
Embarrassing, embarrassing, again that word, same word I heard all over again when we appointed Moyes. 
He hasn't been announced, so what, everybody is afraid we're embarrassing ourselves.
And all this Giggs hatred is astonishing. Who says he'll be our full time manager in 3 years, noone knows what will happen then and how long LVG will be our manager, yet some people are thinking in advance - what then what if what that what this. I mean why panic, we haven't even announced LVG, and its just a matter of rime.
Giggs will work under LVG and that can be only a good thing.
I don't care what press or rival fans think of us, I just care we get a proper manager and start sorting things out.
But it seems we're in a such a poor situation our fans are fast turning on SAF and our legends...
He hasn't been announced, so what, everybody is afraid we're embarrassing ourselves.
And all this Giggs hatred is astonishing. Who says he'll be our full time manager in 3 years, noone knows what will happen then and how long LVG will be our manager, yet some people are thinking in advance - what then what if what that what this. I mean why panic, we haven't even announced LVG, and its just a matter of rime.
Giggs will work under LVG and that can be only a good thing.
I don't care what press or rival fans think of us, I just care we get a proper manager and start sorting things out.
But it seems we're in a such a poor situation our fans are fast turning on SAF and our legends...
Yeah, I think it's a reaction to this season. Our main problem has been seen as our trusting of a manager who didn't have experience at our level and now people have become slightly obsessed with experience. Also, I think quite a lot of fans aren't exactly happy with what they perceive to be our philosophy and want to cut all ties to it.
He's already said he always keeps someone from the current coaching team, he's done that everywhere and been a success. How come you are so against him doing what he usually does?
So fecking what? what does that have to do with being Manchester United manager? lets say Giggs get's the job and doesn't do well, who do we get then Gary Neville?, Neville gets dismissed do we then go for Roy Keane? where does the sentiment end and reality kick in? Giggs is a legend, granted. But that shouldn't guarantee him one of the biggest jobs in world football which seems to be happening with the assistant position/tutoring under LvG.
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It appears, from those reports, that Giggs is holding this up moreso than anybody else. He's a big boy, he doesn't need his mates to hold his hand.
Ray Wilkins ?
Carlos Queiroz ?
Di Matteo ?
There are probably others out there that are better than Giggs,how are you so sure there arent ?
Take, Di Matteo for example,just because he was a manager who's to say he wouldnt go for an assistant role at one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Who's to say Giggs wont be any better or worse than Phil Neville ?
I have a feeling you are a teenager who can only think like a teenager and not more, so I will be patient.
What fecking world do you live in where you think all United decisions were made basing on sentimental reasons? Where are your rants and anger coming from against all the legendary players? More importantly, have you taken your medication yet today?
What you said about someone being GUARANTEED a job without merits are totally made up. Or did you hear it somewhere at the pubs with Evertonians or Liverpool fans who all have some opinions about Man United setup, and then pass off as your own opinions? You think Man United is a Micky Mouse club which employ staff basing on family and friends' referral without looking at their CVs!?
Just Go away please.
What a terrible post.
Where have I ranted angrily at legendary players? I'm suggesting that just because they are legends they shouldn't be guaranteed x,y and z job which is the case for the class of 92 and LvG's back room staff. You haven't debated any of my points but just keep throwing insults my way.
Your logic is that because Giggs is a legend (probably one of our greatest ever players, I love him as well) he should get the job. My logic is that he's got little experience in the role and I can see problems develop in the long run. I don't even get the second part of your rant, its just fecking stupid.
Why do you use the word "Guranteed" when there is nothing that will be guaranteed. I support Giggsy getting the job for many many reasons, none of which is because he's a legend. He might be inexperienced with coaching, but he has other qualities which will enable him to work as a number 2. But you will put words into my mouth. Why the feck people think Giggs or any of the class of 92 should be GUARANTEED a job?! Why in your wildest dream think United as the biggest club in the world should guarantee someone a job without looking at the individual's merits?!!!
What's this new attitude where it seems everyone swallows everything the press says so much more easily now. Am I the only one who's noticed that or has it hasn't been like this here? 
Lol which qualities? Name me one quality that he has of which you know off. Nobody hear knows Giggs personally, and we have never ever seen him do anything good as a manager beside having a giggle at press conferences.
So i really wonder what you are talking about.
What's this new attitude where it seems everyone swallows everything the press says so much more easily now. Am I the only one who's noticed that or has it hasn't been like this here?
When two reliable journalist report the same thing, with quotes, then it's most likely true.
Well, you know what? If you don't think Giggsy being the most decorated player working under Fergie is the person who knows the inner workings of the club and the English Premier league as a whole, you have to be very naive. LvG is new the the English football scene and there are so many things which are different from Europe. Having someone next to him (LvG) to give him the knowledge apart from where the keys are and where the toilet is is very useful and convenient. Giggys is not a dumb footballer you know. He always wanted to carry on and win for the club and has proven time and again he could help. This alone is a rare quality and he has finished his coaching batch. I don't get why people are so mad at him getting the job. A good manager will know how to make use of Giggys' knowledge and ability. They will make a good pair.
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He's not being offered the manager's job though he did show an encouraging commitment to the youth system and a desire to play attacking footballer in his time as manager. More importantly assistant managers often act as a link between players and the manager; I don't think I really have to explain why Giggs would be absolutely the best person to fill that particular role. He's got other things going for him as well in his knowledge of the ins and outs of the club, the league, the fans and the country in general as well as a fair amount of dedication considering he's the first active footballer to have completed all his coaching badges. As you pointed out he may or may not have more qualities we're not aware of but at the very least he has the above.
All i saw in his time as manager was a terrible XI, bad subs, bad formation, players played out of position, young talent getting chosen over players who didn't play all season and really need game time, great press conferences.
You mention that he knows a lot about this club and our play style. We need the complete opposite of that. A change. He can't copy SAF he will only be a worse version of it.
They gave a good account of themselves, didn't they. Oh but go on, don't point out the good parts of Gigg's time.
So this managerial appointment has me buzzing. The previous one had me hoping the guy would succeed, this one has me expecting it.
Which is exactly the sort of standards we should be expecting of the club. It's about time people started living in the real world and not the one where United appoint a manager that will emulate Fergie in longevity. Sentimentalism will be the death of or club if we let it, we're in danger of turning into Liverpool if we let our emotions get the better of us when making decisions.
Agreed. If we have to change manager every 4-5 years, then so be it right? What I think is more important is that we establish/maintain an overall philosophy at the club which any new manager would have to be a right fit for. I think van Gaal is the perfect man to usher in that kind of era.
What do we think is holding this up?
Probably minor details regarding coaching staff and/or something with not wanting to disturb or annoy the dutch FA I suppose.
Yep good point. Hopefully it's sorted out soon.
As I said he's not being offered the managers job. What you think he brought to that role is pretty much irrelevant as he won't be in charge of those decisions as an assistant. I also never mentioned him knowing about our playing style. I mentioned him knowing the club by which I meant he knows the personality and traits of everyone in the dressing room plus any coaching staff retained which is useful whatever style of play the new manager implements.
That might well be the case but here's the thing though. Wouldn't it be better if we released a small statement declaring that he is the United manager and no further comments until after the World Cup. You know just be done with it rather than speculating every week and journos quizzing him in every press conference. This way there's only more media scrutiny around him and maybe it's a bigger distraction to their national team than it could have been. Honestly it's a foregone conclusion by now, just a matter of time and not to act impatient but it just seems a bit weird to me.
Oh yes, I would imagine that sooner would be better rather than later if things are as finalized as media believe them to be. Hopefully everything points towards Woodward already working on transfer targets which LvG presumably has given the green light.
Exactly, the club is always bigger than individuals and that case needs to remain. If the club upholds and strong philosophy and ethos it doesn't matter who's coming in as long as they maintain it. Much like the systems Real, Barce and Bayern have in place. In football, 5 seasons is long term for any manager. Of course, if a manager does well enough they will be given more time, we're a patient and realistic bunch after all.
Ronald de Boer has apparently given Van Gaal a glowing reference today, he has also slammed Moyes for sending United out without a clear plan of attack.
Sauce?
Yes that's what I'm hoping for too. Eddie has made some bold statements concerning potential transfers. But this window will be a test for his decisiveness and ideal case we should wrap up a couple of signings before the World Cup. Seems like the Shaw deal is all but finalised even. Fingers crossed X.
If we announced, regardless of how small the statement itself was there would be a shit storm, it is Manchester United it will be a top story and Journo's will flock and cause distractions.
If we have been asked to hang fire on an announcement then it makes no difference if it is now or if it is Monday. All the details will be ironed out already and now we just wait while journo's make stuff up about why it has been "delayed"
In the Sun
New guardian article suggesting that we may get Robben, Mueller, Hummels, Shaw and Kroos. Or at least target those players.
By Jamie Jackson.....may as well add messi to the target list. He is not one to put any faith in.
I still don't understand why van Gaal's preference that this not drag on into World Cup preparation time has meant that we've seen fit to delay announcement as close to the world cup as possible. I suspect if Giggs wasn't an issue he'd be signed and sealed by now as was his preference and as you'd assume Woodward would have wanted before yesterdays investors conference call.
Fair enough that's another perspective on the matter. You're spot on in that even a small statement will cause a media riot just because it's Manchester United. But I guess it's human nature to get anxious.
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