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There is, so why doesn't he go elsewhere and take it? Go to championship club and start there.

How many of our ex players who won loads of medals became good managers? Bruce maybe is decent. Hughes could be considered a failure. These players had SAF as manager that doesn't make them great managers.

Come on man.....

These players you mentioned, nonr come close to Giggsy in terms of Medals and experience.

Why can't he get the ball rolling?

People forget that Fergie was not by any means a tactical master mind. He observed training sessions and let the muelsteen and other coaches set up the training sessions for the last 15 or so years!!! . Yet, Fergie still won so many titles! Fergies was a great man manager and that made him special.

Every player who came out, Fergie Muelsteen came out and said he would be a great manager, not for his tactical knowledge, but for his managerial knowledge.

Giggs can hire the best tactical coaches in the world if he had to. That is not the problem. That is a minor problem in the greater picture.
 
If van Gaal comes I'd be so happy that never mind dropping his pants, I'd let the old bastard teabag me
 
These players you mentioned, nonr come close to Giggsy in terms of Medals and experience.

Why can't he get the ball rolling?

People forget that Fergie was not by any means a tactical master mind. Hr observed training sessions and let the muelsteen and other coaches set up the training sessions. Yet, Fergie still won so many titles! Fergies was a great man manager and that made him special.

Every player who came out, Fergie Muelsteen came out and said he would be a great manager, not for his tactical knowledge, but for his managerial knowledge.

Giggs can hire the best tactical coaches in the world if he had to. That is not the problem. That is a minor problem in the greater picture.

So having the most medals makes you a great manager?

We don't know what type of manager he'd be. Me personally don't want to take another risk and find out. So why doesn't Giggs do what every other manager has and start from the bottom.

Are some fans wanting us to finish 7th again?
 
People calling for Ryan to be made manager are well within their rights. For fecks sake, what have we turned into here North Korea? We aren't allowed opinions because they think Giggs is too inexperienced? Well maybe he is. Maybe LvG is too combustible to work at a club like ours. Now before people start jumping on my back saying "oh another who wants Giggs etc etc" I don't. I just wouldn't be too upset if Ryan got it full time. LvG is a superb coach who, on paper, would greatly improve us. He would bring tactical nous, technical brilliance and a way of playing football that we, as fans, all crave.

However, to simply underestimate what our legends have to offer on the coaching side is completely wrong. People want them involved because they offer continuity, they offer knowledge to young players, they know what it means to represent Manchester United and what Manchester United represents to everyone else. In the short time they've been in charge, there is undoubtedly a difference compared to Moyes' regime.

It's completely understandable the Club would want to keep most of them on because they offer stability and continuity. Why should there be complete upheaval everytime we get a new manager? LvG should bring in his own staff, agree completely but they should compliment what we already have, like Mourinho does at Chelsea, like Pellegrini has done at City. Different ideas, different approaches and all that.

Moyes fecked up big time when he thought he could he could do it all by himself and appoint "yes men", you can't do that. You don't want "yes men". You need people who stand up for the Club and offer different ideas, like Phelan did, like Meulensteen did.

It's a no brainer to me. It shouldn't be a problem to van Gaal being appointed and he should see that himself. He's experienced enough for fecks sake.
 
So having the most medals makes you a great manager?

We don't know what type of manager he'd be. Me personally don't want to take another risk and find out. So why doesn't Giggs do what every other manager has and start from the bottom.

Are some fans wanting us to finish 7th again?

You Seems to neglet my other points. Counter argue them, then I will reply with a decent reaponse.
 
He could hardly bring back Phelan and Moulesteen when he himself is an interim manager.

I'am not condeming him for signing up Scholes and Butt to help him in his task as interim manager. But really it is flawed logic to argument that the club would make a massive mistake in not including them in the coaching staff of the next manager. Why ? :confused:

Apparently because Moyes made the mistake of retaining his backroom staff. But the entire point of that being a mistake was because that coaching had been here for years and had tons of relevant managerial experience that could help Moyes. It is not that same coaching staff we are discussing about it is now. It is Giggs, Butt, Scholes and Neville, none of which have any relevant managerial coaching experience, worth retaining. It is a completley different situation, we simply don't have a coaching worth retaining anymore. We have 4 ex-players acting as caretakers to take over for 4 games in which they can't do much wrong, since if we lose all 4 games we'll be exactly in the league table were we'd be if we win them all 4. The point in having them as interim managers is because they can't do much wrong anymore and the point in interim is that it is exactly that, interim. meaning not permanet, meaning they can go when the next manager comes in. If the next manager wants them on board, then fine, if he doesn't then bad luck for them. The club should make no big point of keeping them, there is no sense in it and if they bust the LVG deal on this they make a gigantic mistake.
 
People calling for Ryan to be made manager are well within their rights. For fecks sake, what have we turned into here North Korea?

You use the example of North Korea to highlight your objection that people's opinions are being challenged?
 
I'll repeat - if the Moyes fiasco hasn't taught us that it's time to think with our head rather than be sentimental with appointments, then I really despair.
 
Not many other clubs have a 'Giggsy' in their team ( I say a Giggsy because he is a onr of a kind). No other team has a player who had started from 13 years of age until 40, and playing for the same club.

No other club has player who has the experience of 20 years and has won everything (13 Pls, 2CL, some Fa cups and league cups etc). This experience of his just got even more useful when he literally was play 20 years under the greatest manager there is.

Fergie and Muelsteen have openly spoken out that he would be a perfect manager too. Yep, I will listen to some Cafe members over then two.

Come on man...

Fergie also declared Moyes was the perfect guy for the job and he ruined us this year, brining us down from 1st to 7th and playing some of the most useless uneffective and meaningless brands of football the world has ever had to witness.

No indeed, Fergie his decision making is foolproof and completley flawless, how dare we question the mans opnion and have one of our own !
 
Looking at this season, I can see why he needs to bring his fitness coach. And why shouldn't he be allowed to?

I'm sick of this Giggs talk. It's mostly rival clubs lapping it up whilst some idiots falling for the bandwagon. These same idiots jumped on the Moyes bandwagon. Saying he is the next Fergie and will do stuff the Man Utd way.

I guarantee we would have won that game on Saturday with Moyes in charge. We slowly turning into Liverpool. Can't stand this Man Utd way nonsense.

No offence but nothing is a certainty. None of you people talking about sentimentality or whatever regarding people saying Giggs should be considered come from a higher place since we're talking hypothetically. To make that simple please don't talk from a position of power when you don't know how well he may or may not do.

Half the battle is winning over the dressing room. We have great potential to challenge for the league. It's that simple. Not saying he automatically would but he DOES have the dressing room.
 
No, they are not being challenged. They are being dismissed as "*******" babble.
If someone wants to put his hand in boiling water to see if he gets hurt, I would try my best to stop him before he has to be taken to hospital and that is exactly how many of us feel about the Giggs situation. It's inevitable that you get hurt and we end up sacking a club legend by Chistmas. It would tarnish his legacy more than anything.
 
You Seems to neglet my other points. Counter argue them, then I will reply with a decent reaponse.

What other points?

Rene held training sessions for Fergie and was he a good manager? Do you think Phelan would make a great manager?

Your points aren't very good. You seem to think lots of medals will make Giggs a good manager. Ferguson didn't win much in his playing career. Do you remember Tony Adams? He was a good manager wasn't he. Seedorf is doing well at Milan...

Again just because he spent a lot of time with Fergie doesn't make him a good manager. Rene, Carlos and Brian Kidd spent a lot of time and they weren't great managers.

The guy couldn't sleep because he had to drop a few players. Do you think Van Gaal would lose sleep over that?
 
No, they are not being challenged. They are being dismissed as t o p r e d babble.
Which indeed they are considering that many posters admit that they are 'thinking' with heart instead of head.

There is no rational argument in favour of Giggs becoming the new perma manager. The last precedent in near-enough conditions that went well is Kenny at Liverpool more than 2 decades ago. Even that is different considering that Liverpool were in top back then while now we are on midtable with a team that needs partial rebuilding.
 
People calling for Ryan to be made manager are well within their rights. For fecks sake, what have we turned into here North Korea? We aren't allowed opinions because they think Giggs is too inexperienced? Well maybe he is. Maybe LvG is too combustible to work at a club like ours. Now before people start jumping on my back saying "oh another who wants Giggs etc etc" I don't. I just wouldn't be too upset if Ryan got it full time. LvG is a superb coach who, on paper, would greatly improve us. He would bring tactical nous, technical brilliance and a way of playing football that we, as fans, all crave.

However, to simply underestimate what our legends have to offer on the coaching side is completely wrong. People want them involved because they offer continuity, they offer knowledge to young players, they know what it means to represent Manchester United and what Manchester United represents to everyone else. In the short time they've been in charge, there is undoubtedly a difference compared to Moyes' regime.

It's completely understandable the Club would want to keep most of them on because they offer stability and continuity. Why should there be complete upheaval everytime we get a new manager? LvG should bring in his own staff, agree completely but they should compliment what we already have, like Mourinho does at Chelsea, like Pellegrini has done at City. Different ideas, different approaches and all that.

Moyes fecked up big time when he thought he could he could do it all by himself and appoint "yes men", you can't do that. You don't want "yes men". You need people who stand up for the Club and offer different ideas, like Phelan did, like Meulensteen did.

It's a no brainer to me. It shouldn't be a problem to van Gaal being appointed and he should see that himself. He's experienced enough for fecks sake.
Great post.
I want LvG too, but I agree, I wouldn't be too disappointed if it was Giggsy. Who ever we get in I think integrating the Giggs et al. in some capacity is important, not that they should be running the show but they should be a part of this club going forward.
 
If someone wants to put his hand in boiling water to see if he gets hurt, I would try my best to stop him before he has to be taken to hospital and that is exactly how many of us feel about the Giggs situation. It's inevitable that you get hurt and we end up sacking a club legend by Chistmas. It would tarnish his legacy more than anything.

Exactly.

Last year I wold have considered it. Now we made our risk appointment with Moyes.

Some of us want a proven world class manager.
 
If someone wants to put his hand in boiling water to see if he gets hurt, I would try my best to stop him before he has to be taken to hospital and that is exactly how many of us feel about the Giggs situation. It's inevitable that you get hurt and we end up sacking a club legend by Chistmas. It would tarnish his legacy more than anything.

How many times do I have to say it? I'm not advocating his appointment, merely his (and the rest) involvement.
 
I'll repeat - if the Moyes fiasco hasn't taught us that it's time to think with our head rather than be sentimental with appointments, then I really despair.

Indeed the moment Giggs is anounced as manager for next year, I think a part of me will die. It will be the saddest day ever as a Manchester United fan. It will be even worse than the day Fergie announced his retirement for me. Atleast then I thought, ok end of an era, start of a new one, if they employ Giggs after the Moyes fiasco I'll know the club will have completley lost its mind and will be beyond saving. Truely the day Giggs becomes manager, is the day United are dead for me as a topclub, I'll stop reffering to them as a topclub, since no topclub could ever be run by Ryan Giggs as coach and by a board that thought that would a wise decision. It will be the day all reason will disappear like snow before the sun, it will be the day the club becomes a circus that is ran by sentimental clowns that drink to much wine and live more in the past than in the future, it will be the day the club I loved becomes a forlorn relic that belongs in a museum instead of in the PL.
 
Why haven't Madrid hired Zidane as manager? Even they wouldn't consider hiring Raul or Zidane without coaching experience.
 
Interesting stat on Sky Sports LVG has only won 3 trophies since the end of 90's. J Carra thinks he is from old school.
 
What other points?

Rene held training sessions for Fergie and was he a good manager? Do you think Phelan would make a great manager?

Your points aren't very good. You seem to think lots of medals will make Giggs a good manager. Ferguson didn't win much in his playing career. Do you remember Tony Adams? He was a good manager wasn't he. Seedorf is doing well at Milan...

Again just because he spent a lot of time with Fergie doesn't make him a good manager. Rene, Carlos and Brian Kidd spent a lot of time and they weren't great managers.

The guy couldn't sleep because he had to drop a few players. Do you think Van Gaal would lose sleep over that?


I think you misunderstood me.

I was talking about that a Manager does not have to be a great tactition as some of you put it. Fergie never used to take part in actual training session, only the preparing. This applies to Giggs as some of you seem to think Giggs is tacticaly inept. Now, lets say he is so, he just has to do what Fergie done and hire great tactical coaches who have the same vision as his.

So now that is out the way, we focus on qualities other than tactical knowledge. Giggs seems to have great managerial qualities which Fergie, Muelsteen and even Lindergaard highlighted. Giggs showed some balls by dropping a £37m player in his first game. He has a great temperament and everybody loves him. He has the experience of the daily workings if Man utd and will slot in perfectly. He had Fergie as his example and literally soaked in all the knowledge of Fergie from a period of 20 years.
 
G Nev wants a British manager.
 
G Nev better not have a say in this. I'll take a proven English manager who's got the level of experience, tactical know-how and winning mentality we need. There simply aren't out there at the moment.
 
G Nev wants a British manager.
Good thing to dismiss his opinion then. He has spoken some of the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever heard on football this season.

Who is that British manager that we can get and become so succesful with him anyway (would love to ask him)? Will Scousers loan us Rodgers? Who are other good options? Curbishley, Bruce, Hughes, McLeish, McLaren, Allardyce, Pulis, Sherwood or the complete unknown Giggs.

Neville on my eyes is becoming a parody now. He is talking all the cliches with whom people usually joke.
 
Interesting stat on Sky Sports LVG has only won 3 trophies since the end of 90's. J Carra thinks he is from old school.

Sorry to be a pedant but I think the Sky stat might be wrong.. It's actually 4 instead of 3.. Anyway he coached the national team for long periods so that's one counter.. Another is he took a sabbatical.. Both of these factored into his trophy drought.. Personally I think it's hard to measure him in terms of trophies. They are not always an apt way to gauge the value of his tactical astuteness and knack for revitalising teams. Juup Heyneckes had won just 3 trophies since 1990s before being appointed Bayern boss and it worked out fine for them in the end. Guus Hiddink has won has won a similar 5 trophies in the 2000s, Fabio Capello has just 2 in the same time frame. Yet all of them are considered still considered among the best coaches around, along with Van Gaal. He'd be a really good and relatively safe appointment for us. Until Giggsy is ready to take over. :)
 
I really feel he should keep Giggs and Chris Woods. Otherwise got no issue if this appointment happens
 
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@invictus this one?
 
I really feel he should keep Giggs and Chris Woods. Otherwise got no issue if this appointment happens
Does any manager works with 2 goalkeeping coaches? Because Frans Hoek is dead cert to be our new goalkeeping coach if Van Gaal becomes the new manager. And he is better than Woods for sure. I would take Giggsy as assistant but I don't think that it is a good idea to force it.
 
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