United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

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pete_8 said:
Rumour has it that we want to spend our war chest before the World Cup?. If so how can LVG give total commitment to bringing in new players with Holland being his first objective?
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We have a list of players and I read that the club is trying to sort out pre-contracts with the players so it will be sorted quickly if Van Gaal wants them, but if he doesn't then he can tell the club to not make the move.
 
Revan said:
It looked to me very different to Pep/Del Bosque style. Both are very concenrated on keeping the ball, but Van Gaal attacks more directly and also gives more important to width. I also think that the defense is different with Van Gaal's CB playing far deeper than Spanish tiki taka teams.

I think that Bielsa's Atletico (likely you remember those two games on Europa League) is the closest thing to Van Gaal's system.
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Athletic.
 
Van Gaal update from Talksport

Dutch football journalist Thijs Slegers claims Manchester United have until next Wednesday to complete a deal with Holland coach Louis van Gaal.

That's because the 62-year-old, who is believed to be in the latter stages of talks over a deal to permanently replace David Moyes at Old Trafford, won't talk to the Red Devils while in World Cup mode with his country.

Speaking to the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show, he said: "Van Gaal's deal with Manchester United is not signed right now but I do expect it to be completed by next Wednesday.

"That’s when the Dutch national team have their first trial stage for the World Cup. I know Van Gaal a little bit and he doesn’t want to talk to Manchester United while he’s working with the national team.”


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/slege...van-gaal-deal-14043089288#r1mAbEC41ruqeRCO.99
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I'd be happy with Van Gaal for a couple of years. He would steady the ship and I would full expect us to finish in the top 4 anyway under his management. He'd also hopefully bring in a couple of quality players, sort our midfield and bring through some youngsters.
 
pete_8 said:
Rumour has it that we want to spend our war chest before the World Cup?. If so how can LVG give total commitment to bringing in new players with Holland being his first objective?
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David Moyes had us believing that a manager needs to spend a season assessing his squad and identifying targets that he can work with. The modern reality is that top managers do not get that luxury these days.

Managers like Van Gaal and Ancelotti are able to succeed with what they are given. I don't think that Louis will be agonising over transfers like dithering Dave. Give him a squad of good players and I am sure that he will be confident of succeeding.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I think LvG would be fine keeping Giggs on. It's just the whole bunch I assume he isn't too pleased with taking. Rightly so, in my opinion.
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You can't bring in a new broom like Van Gaal then tell him who he must have as assistants, coaches, and what have you.
 
PlayerOne said:
We have a list of players and I read that the club is trying to sort out pre-contracts with the players so it will be sorted quickly if Van Gaal wants them, but if he doesn't then he can tell the club to not make the move.
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Agreed if it were so simple, he would have his own ideas of who he wanted, so unless the ball starts rolling quickly (who knows what's happening in the background) then time would be of the essence
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
David Moyes had us believing that a manager needs to spend a season assessing his squad and identifying targets that he can work with. The modern reality is that top managers do not get that luxury these days.

Managers like Van Gaal and Ancelotti are able to succeed with what they are given. I don't think that Louis will be agonising over transfers like dithering Dave. Give him a squad of good players and I am sure that he will be confident of succeeding.
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True but the squad as we all know is aging and needs some players, who we get in is of paramount importance
 
Moriarty said:
You can't bring in a new broom like Van Gaal then tell him who he must have as assistants, coaches, and what have you.
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You can tell him that he just has to keep Giggs on though. Let Van Gaal do whatever else he wants with the rest.

From media reports it seems he'd be happy with Giggs.
 
pete_8 said:
Agreed if it were so simple, he would have his own ideas of who he wanted, so unless the ball starts rolling quickly (who knows what's happening in the background) then time would be of the essence
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Yup, that's why I said the ideal thing would be to get this done quickly so that he can have a bit of time to draw up his plans for the summer. Since we held talks with him a while ago I would like to think he already had a look at the squad and the players he wants to add to it. Apparently he will look for players in the German league.
 
Name Changed said:
You can tell him that he just has to keep Giggs on though. Let Van Gaal do whatever else he wants with the rest.
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Yeah, you can certainly decide this or that man is important for the club and we want him involved. You can ask the manager to handle a kindergarten of FOUR inexperienced coaches.
 
PlayerOne said:
Yup, that's why I said the ideal thing would be to get this done quickly so that he can have a bit of time to draw up his plans for the summer. Since we held talks with him a while ago I would like to think he already had a look at the squad and the players he wants to add to it. Apparently he will look for players in the German league.
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Let's hope so, it would be non-sensicle to do it any other way.
 
Name Changed said:
You can tell him that he just has to keep Giggs on though. Let Van Gaal do whatever else he wants with the rest.

From media reports it seems he'd be happy with Giggs.
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I agree. It wouldn't sit too well with the fans if Van Gaal shoved him aside in favour of Kluivert, a player who once rejected United. It's all a bit messy at the moment isn't it? What do you make of the rumours going round that some of the players are opposed to Van Gaal's appointment? I think the Mail is saying that Rooney is upset because he thinks Van Gaal will favour Van Persie and not him. Strange days.
 
Moriarty said:
I agree. It wouldn't sit too well with the fans if Van Gaal shoved him aside in favour of Kluivert, a player who once rejected United. It's all a bit messy at the moment isn't it? What do you make of the rumours going round that some of the players are opposed to Van Gaal's appointment? I think the Mail is saying that Rooney is upset because he thinks Van Gaal will favour Van Persie and not him. Strange days.
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Players are only interested in themselves, realistically. If Rooney is unhappy, then tough shit. LVG is a madman, but he seems to be fairly pragmatic. If Rooney was deserving of a place over RVP, then I'm sure Rooney would play. There's nothing to say Giggs will automatically play the likes of Rooney if he was left in charge anyway.
 
I would rather have LVG than Pep as manager. Tika-taka only wins you games if you have pace & power throughout the squad. We seen that last night with Bayern; they had all the possession but with no pace in their attack, they gave Madrid the opportunity to get behind the ball and they pushed so far up the pitch, Real just tore them to shreds on the counter.

Maybe not the most perfect of examples but against Norwich, you seen how the players would come looking for the ball. As soon as it had been passed, that player would then quickly make a run and receive the ball back and we ended up with 4 goals from it (1 being a penalty). Bayern would pass the ball around the midfield with no real penetration. By the time they decided to pass it out to the wings, Robben/Ribery struggled to create much.

With LVG, you are certain he will go with a fast, attacking football and no dily-dallying on the ball. With Pep, it would be too pedestrian with the players we have.
 
Name Changed said:
Players are only interested in themselves, realistically. If Rooney is unhappy, then tough shit. LVG is a madman, but he seems to be fairly pragmatic. If Rooney was deserving of a place over RVP, then I'm sure Rooney would play. There's nothing to say Giggs will automatically play the likes of Rooney if he was left in charge anyway.
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I also think that Van Gaal wouldn't indulge Rooney like Moyes did. Might be a bit harder for Giggs to do that but who knows? He did, after all, learn from Fergie for all those years.
 
Moriarty said:
I agree. It wouldn't sit too well with the fans if Van Gaal shoved him aside in favour of Kluivert, a player who once rejected United. It's all a bit messy at the moment isn't it? What do you make of the rumours going round that some of the players are opposed to Van Gaal's appointment? I think the Mail is saying that Rooney is upset because he thinks Van Gaal will favour Van Persie and not him. Strange days.
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I think its a dangerous precedent to start worrying too much about what the players want. Especially after what happened with Moyes, I think a disciplinarian that is going to kick their arses is no bad thing at all. Im undecided about whether I prefer Van Gaal or Ancelotti but in a way I regard Van Gaal's hard personality as a bonus.
 
Moriarty said:
I also think that Van Gaal wouldn't indulge Rooney like Moyes did. Might be a bit harder for Giggs to do that but who knows? He did, after all, learn from Fergie for all those years.
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He wouldn't indulge anything but himself to be fair.
 
JaapStam1986 said:
I would rather have LVG than Pep as manager. Tika-taka only wins you games if you have pace & power throughout the squad. We seen that last night with Bayern; they had all the possession but with no pace in their attack, they gave Madrid the opportunity to get behind the ball and they pushed so far up the pitch, Real just tore them to shreds on the counter.

Maybe not the most perfect of examples but against Norwich, you seen how the players would come looking for the ball. As soon as it had been passed, that player would then quickly make a run and receive the ball back and we ended up with 4 goals from it (1 being a penalty). Bayern would pass the ball around the midfield with no real penetration. By the time they decided to pass it out to the wings, Robben/Ribery struggled to create much.

With LVG, you are certain he will go with a fast, attacking football and no dily-dallying on the ball. With Pep, it would be too pedestrian with the players we have.
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Few of the Bayern fans on here were saying that LVG played the same way Pep did last night. I always thought LVG's teams played with more pace but I don't really remember his time at Bayern.
pete_8 said:
Let's hope so, it would be non-sensicle to do it any other way.
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I think the club were waiting on Carlo Ancelotti, but after last night that's pretty much over.
 
Ramshock said:
Im not naieve..I just said I know they have to take their time, its just the waiting that sucks
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I was meaning naive if you thought it should have been confirmed already.

I get the waiting sucks but necessary im afraid. I imagine it will be confirmed before the weekend.
 
JaapStam1986 said:
That's my thought too but I don't remember too much of LVG's Bayern team either.
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The Champions League final against Inter Milan, Bayern looked roughly like they did against Madrid last night.

But all in all, Van Gaal has been a club coach for 18 years or something, and coached at international levels for 4 years. So that's at least 20 years of experience at the highest level.

He's played pretty much all 'systems'. From an ultra-attacking 3-4-3 in possession with Ajax dominating Europe, to a very sneaky sort off 4-4-2 he wrote history with by winning the league with AZ (one of the most impressing performances I've seen, since they finished 11th the year before), and he played 'anything in between' at Bayern and Barcelona if you will.

Focus is always on ball retention, technical football, manipulating spaces and winning. Ball retention, build up play from the back and creating a lot of chances are also words that come to mind. Sometimes he's played very high pressing, sometimes his teams played 'Provocating Pressing' as he calls it himself, which is dropping deep and try and lure teams that park the bus out their box and hit them on the break.

So all in all, I would say everything is possible tactics wise, but never with a negative/defensive set-up, or parking the bus or something.
 
I'm sure Van Gaal would be good enough to keep us in the top four and I'm also sure he can lay the foundations for an excellent team.

My doubts are a) whether he's the man to lead that team to sustained success and b) whether he can avoid the meltdowns that marked the end of his stays at Barca and Bayern.

Still, assuming Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti and Klopp are all non runners, is there anyone who'd be a better choice than VG? I'm struggling to think of real candidates, which sort of makes him my choice be default at this stage...
 
JaapStam1986 said:
That's my thought too but I don't remember too much of LVG's Bayern team either.
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How they beat us I'll never know. We should have won both legs comfortably but events conspired against us in both. They also played a duff Lyon in the SF and then got schooled by Inter in the final.
 
Whichever system he has played in the past, i think its fair to say he will bring an entertainment factor to OT.

Whether its 442 or 433, im looking to forward to it cause it will be different to what we have seen for many years.
 
Has gone quiet in terms of rumours now. Does this mean it's on or off?
 
united_99 said:
Has gone quiet in terms of rumours now. Does this mean it's on or off?
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It's probably just the period of negotiation. Things tend to go quieter the nearer it comes. There's not much more to report than hasn't already been said.
 
The longer this drags on the less likely he will become our manager.

I have a feeling we may wait until the world cup is over in a bid to secure one of the managers that becomes available. Don't forget, once one high profile manager leaves a post it starts a manager merry-go round.

I ultimately feel we're going to miss out here somehow........
 
If I gave a toss about Bayern what would frustrate me was the response. There was not shift in emphasis, it was the same, heads down, over-passing, patient, blunt build-up. It does make me wonder whether Guardiola would be much good in more challenging situations and clubs such as ours that perhaps require a more pragmatic tactical approach from time to time.
 
Maybe they're victims of their own success in that they expect, eventually, to triumph rather than actually work for it. They win so often that there's bound to be complacency. They're too patient, if anything.
 
I really thought Bayern will retain the CL title this season but I guess there are far too many strong teams for anyone to win it two times in a row. Are we the only ones that came up close to doing it by reaching the 2009 final? Granted, we were outplayed in the final, but practically we were 90 minutes away from making history.
 
If it's true that we want to get names in place before the World Cup it's possible these negotiations involve frantic discussions about players too. Presumably the club don't want to sign van Gaal on Wednesday only to discover on Thursday he fancies none of the targets identified and wants to reboot the scouting network from scratch over the summer.
 
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