I know, it's incredible how a small section of "United fans" believe the club "owe it to him" to let him build his squad "to try and hope to aspire to make the CL".
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I know, it's incredible how a small section of "United fans" believe the club "owe it to him" to let him build his squad "to try and hope to aspire to make the CL".
I know, it's incredible how a small section of "United fans" believe the club "owe it to him" to let him build his squad "to try and hope to aspire to make the CL".
Some people support Moyes more than the club. I genuinely believe that.
That would be my conclusion too...
Exactly. What has he done for us to owe him anything? The salary and the prestige he gets from working for United is more than enough. Some of the players that are being criticised by him have done much more for this club than he has and they're the ones we owe respect to. Even if some are past it and need to go, they shouldn't be abused.I know, it's incredible how a small section of "United fans" believe the club "owe it to him" to let him build his squad "to try and hope to aspire to make the CL".
So far, he should be thankful he's still on the job. If he was at Barca, Bayern, Real or any other big club, he would have been sacked in December.
Be careful what you wish for.
There's no guarantee that a new coach will change anything- it's the players, this team are done.
There's no guarantee that a new coach will change anything- it's the players, this team are done.
The Sexton days. I never understood how he went from a very progressive manager at Chelsea and QPR to being a staid and conservative one at United. Like Moyes, Sexton was left a team of potential champions. The Doc had won the cup in 77 and that side would have only got better. They seemed to lose the ability to express themselves under Sexton who, for reasons best known to himself, stifled them with some ultra-cautious defensive tactics.
It wasn't as if he bought bad players. He signed Wilkins, McQueen, Jordan, Thomas, and Birtles. I know what people will say about Birtles, but at the time, he was a bloody good player for Forest. I saw his home debut against Everton, and Birtles ran them ragged. He should have scored a couple of goals but the Everton goalie foiled him with some terrific saves. We won 2-0 and Birtles had a hand in both goals. But he eventually became the albatross round Sexton's neck.
Somewhere along the line, we lost our swagger. The cup run in 1979 saw it return briefly, especially in the semi-final and the last few minutes at Wembley, but that style was rarely seen in the league. The worst game I saw was at Ipswich when we lost 6-0. Sexton played a young Irish lad named Tom Sloan in the midfield and Ipswich steamrollered us. He played McIlroy as a defender that day too. We never really recovered from that even though we carried on to beat City and Liverpool (with Dalglish missing an open goal from two yards out) in the remaining games.
I felt sorry for Sexton who was a decent man, a very good coach, but not a manager. He didn't like dealing with the press and seemed quite distant from the supporters who had enjoyed a tremendous rapport with Docherty. The only time I really remember Sexton's name being chanted by the fans was after the defeat by Arsenal in 1979.
When Sexton arrived at Old Trafford, he had won trophies with Chelsea, including a ECWC when they beat Real. He almost turned QPR into champions. Moyes has a bit of catching up to do.
Watching the expansive, attractive, fluid football Liverpool are playing makes me want a manager like van Gaal with a similar philosophy so much more.
ABM.
Anyone but Moyes.
Anyone but Moyes.
If Liverpool had persisted with Hodgson then they wold absolutely not be callenging for a Top 4 place today never mind being in touching distnace of winning the bloody league
I know, it's incredible how a small section of "United fans" believe the club "owe it to him" to let him build his squad "to try and hope to aspire to make the CL".
Its literally amazing, some fans seem like they'd be happy to see Liverpool return to their perch and p all over us year after year instead of sack Moyes and get someone in capable of turning us around.
Everyone who wants Moyes to stay at United I hope you're watching whats going on at Liverpool today. You're gonna have to get used to it. Cos under Moyes we're just gonna be another team that gets stomped on by the Scousers.
He also won his last 7 games and still got the boot.
The final 5 games will have no impact on Moyes - a decision is already made.
Utter rubbish. Like a new man could do any worse than Moyes has. Champions to 7th in one season and its all down to the same players?
You talking about the players that have challenged for so long and achieved so much are suddenly crap and Moyes isn't to blame? Keep deluding yourself. Are you looking at their performances this season with this clueless manager in charge?
Funny that older players like Distin, Terry, Lampard are still contributing to their teams but our players are all past it. Maybe you should go support another club since our players are not good enough for you, even though you probably celebrated like everyone last season when they were lifting the Premier League trophy.
Some fans are stuck in the old romantic way of providing time to a manager to build something. Modern football has (unfortunately) moved away from that and the desire/need for success is immediate. The problem is our club hasn't made an appointment of a manager in 27 years and the last time they did, the requirements/expectations were different.
Our club still believe the continuity plan is the route to take - every other club is at peace with changes every 2/3 years.
The thing is we could stick with one manager for years, if it was the right f'n manager. Its not like we're saying we should be like Real Madrid and fire managers after winning the Champions League or the League or just for finishing second. Moyes has taken us from 1st down to 7th. His old club are up to 4th. The squad looks totally uninspired by him, his football is dire, he's wasted £27 million on a player he should know and can't get the best out of, he constantly bottles big calls and plays up to the egos instead of picking the XI capable of producing the best football. On every count Moyes has failed...
...and still he needs more time!? Give over! TIME. I'm sick of hearing that s-t.
The philosophy is sound where you've got a club in the doldrums and major work is required. That isn't the case with us. Moyes seems to have been given time to "build" by default. That's the obvious flaw that I see.
To be honest, I think the days of a long serving manager are gone. Quicker club realise that the better cause they're looking for irrelevant criteria in a man.
As the norm I would agree, it'll be a special set of circumstances if it were to happen. You certainly can't engineer it as we tried to do.
Spot on.
We'll just have to hope the oil money keeps pumping to keep us on the perch.
It's ridiculous to assume giving Moyes millions to buy a whole new team will change anything. He cannot even get the best out of the current players who were better than his Everton team. They are just deluded if they cannot see how much of a failure he has been.I know, it's incredible how a small section of "United fans" believe the club "owe it to him" to let him build his squad "to try and hope to aspire to make the CL".
I'm convinced he won't even win the league even if we bought the entire Bayern squad , Messi and Ronaldo.
Moyes: Cristiano, Leo, stick to the touch line!!!
It's so on
Whether this team is "done" or not, no team is ever "done" enough at this level to drop to 7th by themselves.
It's amazing how some fans can actually believe this. We've always been crap, but Sir Alex could perform miracles with them and he's the only manager in the world that could ever do it?
Also, in the last 5 years in the league, 1st 2nd 1st 2nd and then 7th with a different manager, and this is down to the players and not the manager? These people really are brainwashed.
Just think of having this guy's face every day in Carrington. No one would even dare trying to get on the wrong end of the man's wrath.
I refuse to believe RVP is not saying to Van Gaal at every opportunity how terrible Moyes is. It's what the Dutch do.
Ideally we'd be looking to Klopp or Simeone rather than a guy this age, but he's much better than Moyes so I'd take it.
Why his age? - don't think SAF's age was an issue, and I suspect he'd only be a stopgap for a couple of years. Could be just what's needed to steady things and get the best out of the existing squad with a few additions.
someone like van gaal for a season or two is not bad imo. maybe after that klopp will be available.
I'd take any attack-minded manager over Moyes.
Do people think Simeone will be looking to move clubs?
I really don't like this "anyone would be better than Moyes" attitude. While it is true that there are many candidates who you'd suspect are more suited to the role than Moyes, that really isn't the standard they should be required to meet. Appointing Moyes was a massive mistake but we'll only compound that if we follow him up with another poor choice. A manager could easily be better than Moyes and still feck us up.
We should ignore Moyes' reign as much as we can and act as if we're replacing SAF all over again. How would we have felt if Van Gaal had been the club's choice in the summer? Not that happy I suspect. There are better options out there, even though we obviously don't know who is available and who isn't.
As for Simeone, I've gone off him after hearing he is influenced by the star signs of his players.
We should ignore Moyes' reign as much as we can and act as if we're replacing SAF all over again. How would we have felt if Van Gaal had been the club's choice in the summer? Not that happy I suspect. There are better options out there, even though we obviously don't know who is available and who isn't.
As for Simeone, I've gone off him after hearing he is influenced by the star signs of his players.
I don't think we have enough money to prize Mourinho away from Chelsea. We need Sir Alex to comeback for 2-3yrs and wait for Abramovich to fall out with Jose again.
So who do you propose with just about every top manager likely not looking to move?
Mystic Meg. Let's do this shit right.
Its Klopp for me, best manager outside of Pep/Jose
He rejected Real and Chelsea last season from what I understand, i'm not sure he'll leave Dortmund.
Says who?
He can bring the lad on the left too, if he wants.
We could of had him for £15m this season, how much will he be now?
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