That's the last thing we need. We need to move on.
United linked with van Gaal in the meeja
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I can't remember where I read him stating he rejected Real Madrid. I could be wrong also, the article may have been misleading.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/turned-down-chelsea-manchester-city-2473066
That Article is also misleading but there were many reports Abromovich was interested in him. What we know from his quotes is that he turned down an approach from more than one English club to manage this season so whether it was City, Chelsea or even United we don't know. In the case of United I'm very confident a non disclosure agreement would have been signed so we will never know.
Mourinho's ego
If he was second choice for Chelsea I couldn't see him saying no to United.
Probably £20-30m. I was just teasing, of course. I doubt Roma would wish to sell, he has been great for them.
Also whats the guarantee Moyes is the right man for us moving forward? What has he fecking shown you these past 10 months for us to see he is the right man for the job?
He's helped guide us into 7th despite being lumbered with Fergies shit squad of OAP's, time to jettison our entire squad and keep Moyes, it's the only sensible, logical course of action.
De Rossi - £12m
Strootman - £15m
Thiago - £17m
Fellaini - £27m
It's incredible that.
De Rossi seemed intent on moving and United was one of his most favoured destinations prior to making amends with the club. The window of opportunity was probably not more than the first two weeks of July.
I can't see how Strootman would have rejected United had they approached.
Thiago might have chosen pep but he went on record as saying United never approached him once. At least put an offer in! Especially since his main reason for moving was to play more football.
I'm not convinced yet that Fellaini can do the job of Strootman and De Rossi combined.
This summer will be interesting. The world cup of course but to follow developments at United also, we could do without a repeat of last season's window. It has the potential to be worse though, should Kagawa, Hernandez and RVP be replaced by lesser players, if at all.
This is precisely the attitude we should be avoiding. We need to find a manager that's capable of being in control of United and playing good football. We got suckered into trying to replace Fergie as if nothing happened last time and it's what got us in this mess.
I agree with the general gist of your point that we shouldn't just be looking for someone better than Moyes, but we absolutely cannot ignore what happened with him. Lessons need to be learned. The next manager needs top level experience, a strong personality and an attacking playing style.
With all the talk, some form of contact must of been made. Someone on goals on sunday said that united will go through lots of managers in the next ten years. There is no point sticking to a manager if they don't achieve the required results. Munich and Madrid have been successful and they have changed managers, albeit they spend lots of money, but that is what the game is coming to and it is testament to alex ferguson that united didn't have to do what most clubs in Europe did. Alex ferguson was the exception,, not the rule.
Madrid and Munich expect the title from day one. I think United would be more patient in the sense they would be willing to allow a manager 2 seasons before they expect the title, and should such a manager fail to deliver but seems to be doing the right things then also the board will provide more time.
They want to win things because it makes the club's commercial deals more lucrative however they will be financially strong providing they are competing consistently in europe and domestically. That said, evidently by this season there will be patience.
As an example, Moyes would probably have been given time if he finished 3rd or even 4th with very little pressure on him. I think United's objectives are minimum of 3rd hoping the manager's mentality will see him push for the trophy. At Madrid or Bayern the minimum expectation is first.
Lots of managers? So be it. To expect another manager like SAF is just ridiculous. His situation was a one-off. Until people understand this they won't realise that we are just like any other club now and times have changed.
We've been spolit by not having to find another manager for 27 years. But even if we had the best person out there, would they stay or last for that long? Probably not. They would want a new challenge eventually. Short termism is the wrong way to go but we also have to be realisitic.
Two of the top managers jose and pep seem to be short term. Pep even took a year off because he needed a break from the pressure. Ancelloti was at Milan for 7 years but he didn't win as much as fergie did. Ferguson was a one off and it seems that united will have to adapt to that but it wont be easy. It was probably the opposite Madrid with mourinho, it was unusual for the club to keep someone for longer than two years
.Your answer doesn't explain why you called a poster rediculous or something because that poster said that Moyes may grow in to the role of United manager. And Brendan Rodgers had a pretty poor first season at Liverpool...
We were unfortunate to miss out on Ancelloti because he is exactly the kind of guy that could stay in the job for a reasonably long period whilst always meeting the minimum required standard of performance . He is one of the few gentleman of the game too, I just hope Real implode and Perez does what he does best .
I'd personally prefer we didn't have 3 new managers in the space of 5 years and I really like what Klopp and Simeone bring to the table as young, passionate and exciting managers, they'll be head hunted soon enough and we don't want to miss out.
That's the one concern, I can see Barca, Real, PSG and maybe even City looking at Klopp within the next season or so.
Heh! I hear ya.
I called the post ridiculous, not the poster. And I did so because it suggested that we are on a morally elevated pedestrian compared to other football clubs and that sacking Moyes would somehow lower the clubs level, both notions that are utterly ridiculous.
Sorry, but how did that post suggest that?
Nope. They are on a decent fight for the double this year. Ater what he has done there, likely he will continue being there, even if it is for only another couple of years.
We don't want to tread water (or drown) with Moyes until they're available, though. If we can get one this summer, brilliant. If not, we still need a change.
So assuming Simeone, Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti and friends are not available, which they probably aren't. Then it's a case of keep Moyes for another year or go for Louis Van Gaal who also could fail to get top four looking at reasons for his sacking at Bayern (fourth in Bundesliga) and Barcelona (3 points away from relegation apparently after christmas!).
The choices are limited, we must put all our faith in Moyes I think.
Interestingly:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/engla...-gaal-i-was-sir-alex-fergusons-replacement-at
I think we're between a rock and a hard place...
The choices are limited, we must put all our faith in Moyes I think.
Interestingly:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/engla...-gaal-i-was-sir-alex-fergusons-replacement-at
I think we're between a rock and a hard place...
Thanks.
It was a pain finding that post. And I'd finally done it and was ready to post it as well.
Oh well I figured out how to trace an individuals posts in a thread after all these years. You something new day every learn.
I'm sure a potentially top manager is out there and available. It's always the case especially when the job is as big as manchestrer united manager.
It's like the "there are no midfielders available" argument. It's not that they aren't out there. It's that we don't sign them.
I agree with that, if we can't get Klopp of Simeone in the summer then I'd certainly go for Van Gaal over Moyes just to get us back on track.
What has that got to do with moral elevation? Maybe the poster in question actually meant that it's pointless to change manager every 9 months or so, and not because of some moral elevation?
1. Fire Moyes
2. Send Shinji to Dortmund with a return ticket
3. Shinji returns with Klopp with him
2. Send Shinji to Dortmund with a return ticket
3. Shinji returns with Klopp with him
Does anybody know how Real Madrid fans feel about potentially losing the title to Athletico? Is the rivalry fierce? What would this mean for Carlo?
I'm still waiting for an answer...
They will have a huge meltdown. Its a big rivalry by all accounts.
Do you think Carlo will be sacked?
Rodgers always relied on a modern type of football based on ball possession and quality football. He inherited an average liverpool, he worked hard without complaining and he brought some quality players in
Moyes football was always mehh. He actually think that fellaini can hack it at the highest level and was willing to spent 27 m on him. Theres always an excuse ready to cover his arse and he took the champions 7 th while a revatilised everton are doing much better without him. Also rodgers built a competitive side with bargains while relying with the talent they had. Moyes wants to go full FM mode because SAF left him a crappy side
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Will be funny if Atletico win the CL before RM win the decima.
Their achievement would surpass Liverpool. I would say to Liverpool fans it wasn't that great, look at what Athletico just did. Well, in truth, I would just try to avoid Liverpool fans like the plague this summer.
I don't have this problem with City and Chelsea fans, perhaps a little with Arsenal but they can't talk after opting to challenge for the 4th place cup despite an invitation to the title race.
Wasn't Sven Goran Eriksson set to take over in 02? IRRC then he had a deal agreed with us.
He's certain Moyes is dead meat.
More on his page
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How would he know though? Is he tapping the boardroom or something?
Couple of non-WUMs vouching for him. He's a broadcaster on Sirius XM radio in the US, the official broadcaster for United in the States. Fergie's quite pally with them.
http://investor.siriusxm.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=540722
He doesn't. Sports "journalists" are not in the know. He says this with conviction because he believes it is likely that Moyes will be gone. Then if Moyes is sacked people will go "well, this guy must know his shit" despite him only having said the same things that lots of other people without a job in the business have said.
I don't believe for a second that any sports journalist has a connection to the Glazers and that they will let something like this slip out of their boardroom.
People like this and people who'll tell you which team to bet on are correct less than 50% of the time.
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