No, I don't think he will be sacked. Not at all. We're challenging on all fronts and I think we've learned our lesson about sacking managers. Could be wrong though.
What I do know is that it wouldn't go down well with most supporters.
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What I do know is that it wouldn't go down well with most supporters.
So this was regarding the hypothetical scenario Athletico Madrid would win the league.
Are you saying A.Madrid winning the league wouldn't go down well with most supporters, Ancelotti getting sacked wouldn't go down well with most supporters or both?
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This is exactly what the club should have done post Ferguson, trying to replicate fergusons reign is impossible hes once in a generation manager, we will probably never have a manager as good as he was.
Ferguson accumulated the power he wielded over 25 years of success, there is probably only a handful of managers who could run the club the way he did. And to be honest no manager should ever be given that level of authority right away.
The idea of replicating SAF is great and romantic and all but in the end it relies on having an exceptional manager, at any one time there will probably only be 1-2 coaches who are talented enough to make that set up successful. We tried to replace Busby in a similar fashion and look how that turned out champions of europe to relegation in 6 years.
The route the club seem to be going down is very risky busby took over in 1945 we had to wait another 40 years for Ferguson, it will probably be that long again to find another man like those two.
I'm considering actually praying that Moyes gets sacked. I hate seeing our beloved club go through this turmoil when we all know we shouldn't be going through this considering we were just champions last year..
The evidence, down to the fact Moyes still has a job is that United, whether rightly or wrongly (a point I won't debate) are sticking with him. I don't expect a new manager until December. I'm not sure where the Van Gaal story is from but it won't be our plan.
Which part and quotes from who? Moyes?
he isn't that reliable.
Why, what did Uli Hesse really say?
As long as he isn't getting his Moyes info from Uli Hesse, I will continue to be interested in what he's saying.
I know he's not the biggest guy, but that's a damn generous hand baggage allowance!
Why does Kroos have such an ambition?
I can understand under Ferguson's united but it appears many of the traits went with him.
I would like it if the new guy whoever it be continues the character Juan Mata talked of, the never say die attitude and famous comebacks when behind and relentless pursuit of glory. I can understand Toni Kroos having an ambition for this.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Moyes. That's the club's decision and until they change I'm happy, that said, I don't foresee many of the character traits Kroos probably grew up watching.
I can understand under Ferguson's united but it appears many of the traits went with him.
I would like it if the new guy whoever it be continues the character Juan Mata talked of, the never say die attitude and famous comebacks when behind and relentless pursuit of glory. I can understand Toni Kroos having an ambition for this.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Moyes. That's the club's decision and until they change I'm happy, that said, I don't foresee many of the character traits Kroos probably grew up watching.
Another guy then said that Uli Hesse hasn't talked to Kroos about anything and doesn't even know him very well. I mean I'd love it if it happens but until someone reliable like Dimarzio posts it I'm not getting my hopes up.
If he has clauses written in his contract, it could well be that we're sticking with him until the end of the season to then be able to active the clauses enabling the club to sack him. Call me mad, but if I was the chairmen, I'd be writing in a clause which says "can be sacked for x amount if club finish outside of top 4". Probably bullshit, but its the crumb of comfort I'm grasping onto.
That only means Uli Hesse was telling fibs, surely? (Assuming this 'other guy' was 100% on the ball to begin with)
I think sacking Carlo after just one year, where the team played great football for most of it, wouldn't go well with the supporters.
Most Real Madrid fans (at least the ones I know) prefer Atletico winning the league to Barcelona, and we were used to the latter winning it a lot lately anyway.
Ofcourse there are also insatiable morons who'll expect a treble every season, when IMO challenging on all fronts and playing great football should be enough, but those are just a minority.
The majority of fans credit Atletico for what they're achieving this year with their squad too.
Why should a good journalist tell a lie and then tell something different the next day? The other guy had quotes and it sounded a lot more plausible (it contained some German things that are hard to come up with if you don't live there.)
There must be targets he has to achieve as part of his contract and conditions set out for certain eventualities if he doesn't. I would be surprised if this was not included in the contract.
But why does it matter if Uli Hesse is reliable or not? Hesse isn't the guy saying the above stuff about the Moyes situation.
It doesn't matter one bit you're right. But I don't want to get excited about potential big news from a guy that told this bs.
Hey, we are every German superstars dream, you know.
Definitely journalists probably get inside gossip on some clubs, but with united i think most are in the dark.
Was watching sunday supplement yesterday and they were discussing the Van Gall story and moyes stay/go. When discussing it their body language and the fact they were careful with what they were saying so as to be a bit ambiguous led me to believe they don't have a remote clue what is going on behind the scenes at United.
I doubt even Moyes knows whether he will be here next season never mind this Malachians fella.
The relative silence from the UK media on this story suggests to me there is some truth in it. After their season long tenure as Moyes-apologists, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the Glazers pulled the rug from underneath this whole house of cards. (Wow. Talk about mixing methaphors)
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Possibly because the club's been telling them all season that we'll give him time etc, but have shut up about it recently. The atmosphere's certainly changed.
No, they'd have won the league by now. It's proven science that nay manager will come good if given time. Which makes it actually pretty silly to go through managerial changes and appointing highly regarded managers - you can pull anyone out of the street, give them a job, give them time and they'll come good.
Incredible logic.
Its quite a shame that we didn't showed Atkinson more faith. He would have probably won more and left the squad in a better shape. Poor Moyesy. He was so unlucky.
I think all managers should be given time until they die/retire.
Don't know how I feel about Van Gaal. He doesn't seem to ever stay in any one place for more than a couple of years.
Don't see why that's a problem. Worst case scenario he'll be with us a few years, in which time he'll remodel our playing philosophy, strengthen the squad and hopefully get us back to competing for all honours. If he/we decides he should move on, its possible the likes of Klopp/Simeone may then be available.
We're not going to get another long-term manager like SAF.
That's how clubs do stuff these days - Fergie & Wenger were freaks in that respect. I think it's better to keep a sustained level of sucesss by changing the manager every 3 or 4 years than employing born losers like Moyes, who has set us back a couple of years.
I'm no fantasist who's hoping for another Fergie period of longevity. But on the other hand it does concern me as to why a manager would only stay somewhere for 2 years at a time. To me that suggests there's a pretty big problem with the way he runs his football club.
Also, I don't really get the hype. Aside from a Bundasliga title with Bayern a few years back (with a team he inherited) I don't see what he's done to be considered so great in the last 15 years.
His record is a little bit better than that ffs and it's certainly a million miles away from Moyes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_van_Gaal#Managerial_honours
That's Manchester United to you.
We give standing ovations to people who took the club to 7th place
We keep on giving contracts to old players until they reach retirement age
We employ an army of stewards to defend a banner.
and no matter what happens we're not entitled to an opinion.
Give it a rest, Devilish, you sound like Nigel fecking Farage.
He's an absolute nutter (allegedly) and would definitely be a short-term option.
Neither is Sir Alex...
Clearly it was a shit ageing squad in desperate need of rebuilding and even he himself would have struggled with it this season!
Its called counter intuitive logic. And if you knew anything about how the media worked you'd see where I'm coming from.
The UK media have been defending Moyes' position all season, now a story about his replacement is all over the Dutch media, credible sources in the Dutch media. But the UK media silence is deafening. Can you explain why this is so?
Whats the latest on Van Gaal? Both parties still denying it? Moyes isnt getting fired?
I'm with you on that. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but if we were to get rid of Moyes, I would hope it would be to take a chance on a young manager who has achieved amazing things in the last couple of seasons - ie Klopp or Simeone.
Yeah, van Gaal may be better than Moyes, but I just can't get enthused about us going into a Chelsea-type rotation of the same old names who seem to tour the big European clubs / countries - van Gaal, Ancelotti, Capello etc...
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