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I'd be delighted with him. Klopp and Simeone are top 2 choices, but there's no way either are leaving regardless of the money. Getting in another younger long term choice would be a risk (though better then Moyes regardless), but Van Gaal would be a safe bet to rebuild us and get us back competing at the top for a few years. We'd probably win a few trophies, and he's proven he's a top manager so I think it would work. Some people have reservations about him but I think he'd be perfect for us for a few years until he retires and then Klopp is ready to come.

Van Gaal always plays great football, he takes no shit from his players so he wouldn't be influenced by players having big names. He's someone who just commands respect, and definitely has some charisma. When it comes to footballing knowledge, there's no doubting him. He's got a great eye for talent, great at developing younger players, just look at what he did with Bayern. He turned Muller, Kroos, Badstuber, Schweinsteiger, alaba and others all into top players. Schweinsteiger and Alaba were wingers and a central midfielder before he saw where their true talents lie.

People worried about him wasting the money don't need to be worried too. He's never been one to spend loads of money unnecessarily. He'll make do with what we have but also fix the glaring error as everyone will. He won't change what doesn't need fixing though, as what was rumoured that Moyes would have done with strikers.

I think the main reason he fell out at previous clubs is because of the structure of those clubs and his personality. Fergie wouldn't work at Bayern either as he required full control and needed the board to not intervene, and that happens loads at a club like Bayern, and Barca. Van Gaal has a big personality and won't have that problem at United, so I think he'd be perfect until Klopp is ready to leave.
 
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After the fecking shite on a plate Moyes has served us, I would pay for Van Gaal's ticket to Manchester. Lets not get picky here, he's one of the best we can get given the situation, and he knows how to play football
 
All things considered, I'd go with DeBoer. Assuming, of course, that Jose is now beyond our reach.

Van Gaal knows what he's doing but I don't like the idea of a transitional manager -- how do we secure the right players to long term contracts under a transitional manager?
 
On a short term contract he'd take a year to get to know the players, then a year to..?

Moyes has done a fantastic job of taking the fall that was almost inevitable for the man that followed saf. The next appointment should be one for the long term now he won't have the saf shadow hanging over him
 
Surely when we are such a mess it's the perfect time for Klopp. He can do all his own work and build his own side. I think this needs a younger man than LvG. I do expect him to get it though, probably on a 2 year deal.

Completely agree but luring in Klopp is going to be the problem. He's said he's not interested in any potential Barca vacancy too, because he sticks by contracts. He strikes me as the sort of guy who will actually stick by his word, unlike most other managers who I wouldn't think twice about a statement like that having any merit.
 
I really hate the thought of Van Gaal taking over, doesn't give me excitement nor confidence and isn't the future, he's what 62 or 63 ? Klopp is the only man I want here.

We all want Klopp but he tied down until 2018 and has said he won't be breaking any contracts with Dortmund. What we want and what is possible are two different things.

Best we can do now I think is hire Van Gaal let him build a solid foundation and than within a couple of years we'll see how things have worked out, he usually doesn't stay very long at one team but I guess if he goes and he brought us back where we belong and Klopp is contract is running out, we'll have a better shot at landing him.
 
62 is no age for a manager. He could have 5-8 years left in him. If he's a success, nothing saying this is a short term experiment.
 
World Cup Preview: The Netherlands and the Return to the 4-3-3
There are many ways to describe Louis Van Gaal; eccentric, fundamentalist, genius, dictatorial, arrogant, visionary..and all of them would be correct. The current Netherlands boss is months away from taking his country to Brazil, and will be looking to make amends for his failings in the same position he was at twelve years ago, when he failed to lead his country to qualification in the 2002 World Cup Finals.

To understand how the current Netherlands team plays is to understand Van Gaal's footballing philosophy which has guided him for over two decades. As Van Gaal himself admits, what formation he uses is changeable, but the philosophy is not. In his career his teams have played 3-4-3, 4-4-2, 4-3-3, and 4-2-3-1, but the ethos behind these teams has always remained constant:
Maintain possession/constant circulation of the ball
Build attacks from the back/If an attack cannot be initiated from the midfield, work the ball back to the center-backs or goalkeeper
Width must be attained at all times in the attacking third, whether it be by the winger or fullback
(When playing 4-3-3) A midfield 3 consisting of a holding player, box-to-box, and playmaker
Fluidity of movement, manipulate and create spaces to dominate the opposition
Most importantly, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Every individual must be completely dedicated to working for the collective, or they have no place in the team
After Bert Van Marwijk's more pragmatic style, the KNVB put their trust in Van Gaal to bring back the traditional Dutch attacking style, and win along the way. There would be no more playing two holding midfielders for the Netherlands. The 4-2-3-1 was gone, and it was time for the traditional Dutch School of thinking to return. In other words, it was time once again for the 4-3-3.

Van Gaal's 4-3-3 System

Since Van Gaal's system focuses on building from the back, the goalkeeper and back four is a good place to start. Van Gaal's style of build up play slightly differs from other similar philosophies such as Bielsa's or Guardiola's. As I mentioned in my analysis of Chile, who are lead by fervent Bielsa disciple Jorge Sampaoli, their build up play is built upon splitting the center-backs very wide and deep, pushing the fullbacks up field and allowing space for the holding midfielder to drop deep. The Netherlands take a slightly different approach, as seen below

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Now, I know what you're thinking, is this really any different from what Chile do? The answer is yes, but only slightly. While the Chilean center-backs are willing to drop down almost in line with the goalkeeper and towards the touchline, the general point of reference for the Dutch defenders is the corner of the 18 yard box. You will not see them often drift very much deeper or wider than they are here in the build up play, and the fullbacks do not move as far upfield as in the Chilean model. Also, the holding midfielder rarely drops all the way inbetween the two center-backs. The closer proximity of the holding midfielder's teammates makes the passes simpler and therefore lower risk. Indeed, the Dutch team does not take as many chances in building deep in their own half as the Chileans do, and the goalkeeper will kick it long if he judges that it is too dangerous to play short.

Once the ball is advanced, we start to see the Netherlands general shape when in possession, which can be interpreted as a loose 2-3-2-3 (what Van Gaal played at Barcelona). While Guardiola's teams have made it common to see a 4-3-3 shift to a 3-4-3 in possesion, Van Gaal has remained true to his system, with the holding midfielder playing just infront of the back 2, and the fullbacks pushing slightly higher up into the midfield area (we will come to the fullbacks/wingers positional soon) and the center-backs staying closer together. Below we can see the Dutch side's general shape at the back when the ball is at the feet of a defender or holding midfielder.

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A clear back line of 2 with a line of 3 in front

The center-backs and goalkeeper are extremely important in the Van Gaal system. Indeed, since his time at Barcelona, he considered the players in the center of defence as extremely important to attacking play, as they are the players with the most space when in possession. When an attack cannot be executed by the attacking players, instead of trying to force a pass that could see them lose possession, the Dutch players will very often cycle the ball back to their center-backs or goalkeeper to build up the attack once more. In matches against Hungary, Japan, and Turkey, the Netherlands played the ball back to their center-backs an average of 53 times per match, and passed back to their goalkeeper an average of 23 times in those matches. While this isn't the most exciting thing for supporters to watch, it allows the Dutch to dominate the pace of the game and continually build up attacks after one has broken down.

Not only do the center-backs serve as outlets to circulate possession, but they are also able to make short runs into the midfield when the space is available. Indeed, the Dutch center-backs will usually do this a handful of times during any given match, and it was especially noticeable in the match against Japan when one of the center-back pairing stepped into a shallow midfield area no less than 10 times. This happens when the center-back is presented with no passing options infront of him, but has a vacated area infront of him to comfortably run into. Once he makes this short run into the midfield, he passes the ball forward to an attacking player, and then retreats. Below, we can see one of the center-backs has made a particularly deep run into midfield before passing to an attacking player.

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Probably the most important characteristic of a Van Gaal team is its ability to create, control, and manipulate space. To accomplish this requires the Dutch players to have a great understanding of their teammates strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies (something that is not easily accomplished at the national level). A prime example of this player understanding and movement is the positional play of the fullbacks and wingers.

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In the example above, we can see the wingers have stayed very wide near the touchline, and we can see the fullback Janmaat has moved inside at the bottom left of the screen. Van Gaal always wants a great deal of width in the attacking third, and it's easy to see why. Take a look at how stretched the backline has become, and the space it has created in the 18 yard box. If the defence stays too narrow, then you risk leaving Robben or Lens with acres of space on the outside, and if you play too wide, then not only does it leave Van Perise room to work, but it allows the the playmaking midfielder (in this case Van der Vaart) to make a dangerous run into the box. Although Hungary was able to deal with the pass from Van Persie to Van der Vaart, the ball was only cleared to the left winger Lens, who was able to put a cross in to a charging Strootman who was in the acres of space that had been created by the wide players. However, the responsibility of attacking width does not fall solely on the winger. Indeed, the fullbacks are also an extremely important part of the attacking play, and this is where their understanding with the wingers becomes so important.
 
We all want Klopp but he tied down until 2018 and has said he won't be breaking any contracts with Dortmund. What we want and what is possible are two different things.

Best we can do now I think is hire Van Gaal let him build a solid foundation and than within a couple of years we'll see how things have worked out, he usually doesn't stay very long at one team but I guess if he goes and he brought us back where we belong and Klopp is contract is running out, we'll have a better shot at landing him.

I think i would rather have a Giggs- GNeville-Meulsteen trio if thats the case, most would say that's bizarre but there's something soothing about it, all know the United way and been understudy to SAF for many years i honestly feel there could be something in that, I feel they could get the players motivated again.
 
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Take a look at the previous two pictures and compare. The positioning is similar, except the Janmaat and Robben have switched roles. The picture just above shows that Robben has come inside and high into the midfield to receive the ball. Instead of Janmaat staying near that space, he has moved down to assume Robben's vacated space. This does two things; 1) it prevents congestion high up the pitch 2) it allows the Netherlands to maintain their attacking width, which means there is dangerous space to be exploited along the backline. Robben coming into the midfield to receive the ball is going to create problems for Hungary. As we can see above, the winger has tracked Janmaat down the touchline, but is now being sucked in by Robben's direct run. As he starts to get sucked in, Robben simply plays a pass out to Janmaat, who puts in a cross to Van Perise for the first goal. If Janmaat did not have an understanding on where to move in relation to Robben, he is not in that position to play that cross. Below, we can see another example of this understanding between the fullback and winger on the opposite side.

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Here we see the left back Blind on the ball. Since Blind is hugging the touchline, Lens has moved down and inside (notice the triangle this has created)

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And here we see moments later, Blind has moved inside, so Lens has rotated out towards the touchline, and, once again, another triangle is created

While this may seem elementary, it is an integral part of the system's success, and without it the team can become static and therefore no longer dangerous in attack. The best way to control a game is to control the space, and Van Gaal's teams have always strove to be masters of this concept.

Another interesting characteristic of the current Dutch team is Robben's license to roam all around the pitch, not something often found in a Van Gall coached team. Robben can be seen playing everything from winger to attacking midfielder to central midfielder throughout the game, allowing him to have an even greater influence during the match. The Bayern Munich star has been in excellent form for over a year, and Van Gaal has repaid this form by allowing Robben more freedom in the side than any other player.

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In this picture, we can see Robben has dropped all the way back to act as a holding midfielder, pushing De Jong further up the pitch.

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And here we see him moments later infront of De Jong in a central midfield position, playing a ball over the top of the Japanese backline to Lens.

The advantages of allowing him more freedom to roam are not hard to deduce. He is the Netherlands' most dangerous attacking player (a case could be made for Van Persie, but I believe it is Robben), and therefore, allowing him more freedom on the pitch allows him to have a greater impact on the game, instead of just when he receives the ball on the wing. Now, just because he has more license to roam does not mean he is always wandering around the pitch. Instead, he is trusted to read the situation, adjust his position to where there is space in the defence, and exploit it in the attack. This role makes him very difficult for the opposition to mark, and therefore can create difficult situations for defenders in the final third. If the Netherlands are going to make it out of the group, then Robben's positional play will no doubt be a huge factor in their success.

Expectations for Brazil

The expectations for the Netherlands in the World Cup are fairly low compared to their great tradition, but an extremely difficult group and the transitional period they find themselves in means simply getting out of the group would have to be considered a success (something Van Gaal himself has admitted). The Netherlands are in the middle of transitioning between two different generations of players, which makes it a somewhat awkward time for the team. Since Van Gaal has taken over, no less than 19 players have made their debut for the national team, which has lead to some inconsistency in performances despite their overall impressive qualifying campaign. Questions remain about the defence, which at times has performed fairly well but will no doubt be vulnerable to to Chile and Spain's attack. The Netherlands team has not been much of a pressing team in qualifying, at least not intensely and it is unlikely this is going to change in the heat and humidity of Brazil. Instead, they will rely on their ability to retain possession, focusing on tiring the opposition through constant ball circulation and intelligent use of spacing. While it is highly unlikely we will see them mirror the accomplishments of 2010, there is always something special about the Netherlands in the World Cup. This is a country who gave us Total Football, transcendent players, and some of the best Cup matches of all time. Probably no country has had as much influence on the modern game as the Dutch, and Van Gaal is carrying on the tradition of attacking 4-3-3 and all the beauty and setbacks that come with it. Whatever happens in the summer, it should be an exciting ride.
 
He would definitely boot Rooney out or move him to a box-to-box role. In fact even one of Mata/Kagawa will be shunted out in his 4-3-3. We will need some investment over the summer for his system
 
I don't mind the idea of a relatively short term appointment to steady the ship and provide stability for a few seasons.

Nothing I've heard about Van Gaal screams steady and stable though. I will worry if we appoint him.
 
Is he really that opposed to signing players though?
From his interviews you get a great hint that he doesn't see players as what they can do as individuals but as what they can do as a team. He looks for certain, very specific attributes in players which I believe make it really hard for him to find the perfect player. In one of his interviews he says he plays 4-3-3 and players must fit in his mindset of the system. From the his FIFA interview you can also gather that if possible he tries to find the players he needs from the youth academy if they're talented enough.

The 4-3-3 part is very important.
 
I can see Rafael, Jones, Smalling and Welbeck improving under him.

Maybe he could make something out of Cleverley...
 
I'n Dutch and van Gaal knows alot about football and tactics... but he needs the right settings and people around him who can suffer his ridonkulous arrogance and confrontational character. The man is a narcicist and wants to reign like a dictator...

He is a very strong character though and it would be typical of him to bench Wayne Rooney if the fat waster continues delivering pub level performances as his bottom level.
Would not surprise me to see him pronounce himself a better manager than Alex Ferguson during his first press conference for United.

The man has the tact of a woodchopper.
 
To be honest, is there any point appointing somebody who will most likely leave again after one or two seasons? Should not be 1st choice to be appointed manager in my opinion. I'd have Klopp, Simeone, De boer before I'd have Van Gaal. Not saying he would do a terrible job but not sure it's what we need right now.
 
I'n Dutch and van Gaal knows alot about football and tactics... but he needs the right settings and people around him who can suffer his ridonkulous arrogance and confrontational character. The man is a narcicist and wants to reign like a dictator...

He is a very strong character though and it would be typical of him to bench Wayne Rooney if the fat waster continues delivering pub level performances as his bottom level.
Would not surprise me to see him pronounce himself a better manager than Alex Ferguson during his first press conference for United.
De Boer or Van Gaal if you had the choice?
 
I'n Dutch and van Gaal knows alot about football and tactics... but he needs the right settings and people around him who can suffer his ridonkulous arrogance and confrontational character. The man is a narcicist and wants to reign like a dictator...

He is a very strong character though and it would be typical of him to bench Wayne Rooney if the fat waster continues delivering pub level performances as his bottom level.
Would not surprise me to see him pronounce himself a better manager than Alex Ferguson during his first press conference for United.

The man has the tact of a woodchopper.

I don't think that would be a bad thing. I always got the impression Moyes was just happy to be there, Van Gaal, Mourinho etc would feel they deserve to be there.
 
I'n Dutch and van Gaal knows alot about football and tactics... but he needs the right settings and people around him who can suffer his ridonkulous arrogance and confrontational character. The man is a narcicist and wants to reign like a dictator...

He is a very strong character though and it would be typical of him to bench Wayne Rooney if the fat waster continues delivering pub level performances as his bottom level.
Would not surprise me to see him pronounce himself a better manager than Alex Ferguson during his first press conference for United.

The man has the tact of a woodchopper.
Yep. He is mental. Apparently he undressed his trousers to literally show that he has big bollocks when some of Bayern players (lead by Luca Toni) questioned his authority. And the dropped Luca Toni on Bayern Munich II which plays on the third league.

He is absolutely mental but we need a strong character like him. He will improve our young players and our system of football, and if things go right even win something for us. I won't expect him to be here for more than three seasons but hopefully by then we will get the Klopp.
 
I read that Van Gaal takes a season or 2 to get his teams performing. Anyone have experience following Van Gaals teams?
 
I read that Van Gaal takes a season or 2 to get his teams performing. Anyone have experience following Van Gaals teams?
On Bayern he nedded a year and was almost sacked early (on the first half of the season). On the second year he did the double and went to UCL final.

On Barca (first time) he was instant winning 2 league titles in his first two seasons there. I don't remember his Ajax time.
 
My concern would be how can we expect him to fix this broken team in time for next season when he is going to spend the summer in Brazil?

Getting the right manager is our priority, but the team also needs a lot of attention over the summer. And that's not just bringing people in... that's putting people in their place and making sure others can step up.
 
My concern would be how can we expect him to fix this broken team in time for next season when he is going to spend the summer in Brazil?

Getting the right manager is our priority, but the team also needs a lot of attention over the summer. And that's not just bringing people in... that's putting people in their place and making sure others can step up.
The players are anyway either on World Cup or on holidays until July. He can start planning some things like coaching, strategy and new signings even before he takes the office.
 
You'd think we're about to hire Idi Amin based on the reservations people have on his effect on stability and general behaviour.

He'd be an great, realistic appointment for a couple of years. That's all we need at this stage.
 
On Bayern he nedded a year and was almost sacked early (on the first half of the season). On the second year he did the double and went to UCL final.

On Barca (first time) he was instant winning 2 league titles in his first two seasons there. I don't remember his Ajax time.
He won the double in his first year, sacked in the second.
 
Nice thing to know is that Mourinho, the caf's second son, has immense respect for van Gaal and the latter probably helped the Portuguese develop his character into what it is now. Google a bit and you'll find that van Gaal used to recall how shy and reserved Mourinho was and more snippets about the respect these two guys have for eachother.

Love this quote from van Gaal that typifies his personality: ''But there is still a difference between Mourinho and me. He manages his teams to win. I manage my team to play beautifully AND win. My way is more difficult.''
 
He won't be a long term appointment at his age but if our long-term appointee is deemed unavailable for a year or two I'd rather a sensible stop-gap manager with experience like van Gaal instead of going for our second or third or fourth choice and giving them a whopping great contract instead.
 
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