United linked with van Gaal in the meeja
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Do we really want another manager with no eyebrows?
That is what Luca Toni says - a guy that never learned more than 10 words in German. Müller told the story different a couple of weeks ago. Not that he did not pull down his pants - but that he did it to show the players in an after-match-talk that even if he shows their mistakes in this films and they might look bad in them - he can make a clown out of himself, too. He shows the videos to get them better. If you know van Gaal more - he has a special kind of humour - that makes a lot more sense.
Müller said that it was not impressive... (but he owns about 30 horses - I guess he is not impressed very easy...) - But you do not know how that might be with Luca Toni...
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Just for that I want us to appoint him.
Or we can go for Mr Eyebrow himself, but he needs to make sure he doesn't win La Liga so the Madrid Circus can sack him.
He scares me, but given the circumstances I think I can take the risk. At least he will try to sort out our style of football and bring it into the 21st century.
I think we'd be making another mistake getting van gaal, you hear more bad things about him than good, i'm not a fan.
Most of the 'past it stars' are already on their way out though, aren't they?
I think van Gaal would be awesome for us for 2-3 years. I'd love to see us produce some "total football"
At least it wouldn't be dull with van Gaal.
What bad things have been advocated towards him?
I dont know much apart from what I can see on his honours list on WIKI.
He seems to be a character that commands respect and can create an authoritarian atmosphere, something which we currently lack. His teams are also famed for total football, we could do with an ideology/ footballing identity.
He has a winning mentality and maybe we are the platform that can give us that back.
I dont know much apart from what I can see on his honours list on WIKI.
He seems to be a character that commands respect and can create an authoritarian atmosphere, something which we currently lack. His teams are also famed for total football, we could do with an ideology/ footballing identity.
He has a winning mentality and maybe we are the platform that can give us that back.
Someone with knowledge please fill in, I keep hearing about him failing out with players, is there truth to that?
They probably won't fall out so long as they listen to him, work hard, and no fecking about.
Seriously, I think we probably need an arrogant ego maniac right now.
We need somebody who isn't going to pander to the supposed 'United way', who isn't going to play star players for the sake of it, who isn't afraid of upsetting players and will command automatic respect.
He's probably perfect in the short term. I just wish we didn't have to wait until the end of the summer to get him.
We can announce this soon though right (if done), since it's common knowledge he's leaving the Holland job and replaced by Hiddink?
We need somebody who isn't going to pander to the supposed 'United way', who isn't going to play star players for the sake of it, who isn't afraid of upsetting players and will command automatic respect.
He's probably perfect in the short term. I just wish we didn't have to wait until the end of the summer to get him.
We can announce this soon though right (if done), since it's common knowledge he's leaving the Holland job and replaced by Hiddink?
The more I read about Van Gaal I'm sure he's the right man for the job. Get him in for a few seasons and see how it goes. We have literally nothing to lose and he will scare the living daylights out of all the over pampered stars we have. There will be no more leaking of information that's for sure.
61% is his winning average.. hmm
He is a winner. After someone like Moyes, I think we need him tbh.
Personally I think the first thing we need is a great coach with hopefully a personality to boot.
You wont find 4-5 better managers who are available.
In fact, you wont find any. Which is why we're here. Hail king Louis.
He ticks both boxes. Right?
From everything I hear, Van Haal is someone you let take control of shaping the team. If we start the whole "he needs to play with width" and clamping down on this kind of fellow we're in for hell.
So he is a lunatic who will put a fire cracker up the arse of our lazy gutless players?
Sign him up.
Sign him up.
I'm 90% sure he'll be our next manager.
Like it or not this will be the reality. We'll have a few years of LVG, and it won't be dull regardless of the outcome.
Like it or not this will be the reality. We'll have a few years of LVG, and it won't be dull regardless of the outcome.
Seems to be the case. Only issue is that there are other factors I'm reading about that make me wary.
Either way, if he has a turbulant time here, but leaves a strong base the way he did at Bayern, I'll be delighted. Their foundations in the way they play are fantastic and I'd love to see that as a base point, even if he eventually doesnt succeed.
That as worthy of being played in Jon Stewart's The Daily Show. I really cracked up laughing hard on that one.
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Vidic is the only player who's certain to leave.
There's still Ferdinand, Evra, Fletcher, Carrick, Nani, Anderson, Rooney, Giggs and RVP as players who are not performing like they have done in seasons past.
Does anyone what he is like in the transfer market, has he bought well and also does he like to promote youth players?
He prefers promoting and doesn't like big money buys apparently. They were forced on him at Bayern.
Brought through a lot of great young players at Ajax but if you have davids seedorf overmars kluivert and the debours coming through then you would be mad not to play them
at bayern he brought through Muller and badstuber also brought kroos back from loan
He promoted Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller and David Alaba to the first team at Bayern. Only 1 U21 player has been played for the first team since then.
Pretty sure he promoted some big players at Barca too, can't remember who exactly, but Iniesta was one of them.
I'm excited by the footballing side of it. Not so much the personality side. Although perhaps they compliment each other and need each other to be so effective. Just wish he was a little bit more stable.
Why is he (allegedly) reluctant to spend?
I mentioned this in another thread already
Luis van Gaal detests expensive transfers and always looks at the youth academy as well as under-performing players first. He prides himself in promoting youth, decreasing the wage bill and creating value from which the club profits long after he's gone.
That being said, LvG doesn't have something against transfers in general but they have to be good value for money and the players have to suit his demanding player profiles. He was very unhappy about Bayern's 2009 summer transfers (Gomez & Tymoshchuk) which were finalized before he took over. In general he's used to working with a Director of Football so observing his actions on the transfer market as an EPL manager would certainly be interesting.
He gave debuts to Kroos, Muller, Iniesta and a lot of other youngsters.
He believes money to be a thing called 'wizard paper' and LVG hates wizards.
And paper.
The more i hear and read about him the more i like the thought of hm. If somehow we could get De Boer alongside him as no.2 with Giggs still in the set up it would be exciting times ahead.
Not with the ones that are disciplined and hard workers... Not with the team workers.
OK - he had his clash with Ibrahimovic when he was at Ajax. He really asked him to work for the team etc. - and Ibra did not really like it. Van Gaal (who was not a coach there but the technical director) sold him to Juve. He is part of Ibra's book. But I think that story just shows the differences between van Gaal and Guardiola. Both could not live with a player like Ibra - van Gaal looked for the confrontation, Guardiola shied out of it. I think the first method is better. As a player you know the situation like this and you can react.
He has his special ideas. And he talks with the players openly. He is nobody for the maybes. Some can take it - some just cannot. Some might still have illusions and think that it might change.
As a Bayern fan and you look back - even if some of his decisions regarding players was controversial - he actually was right even if some where hard to chew at that time.
The story with van Bommel is just an example for that. Van Bommel then was the Bayern captain and the middle of the dressing room. But he was not showing form on the pitch - and you already saw that he somewhen will really be a liability. Van Gaal saw Kroos' future in central midfield (that is actually where he is playing with Guardiola, too) and he got Gustavo in winter 2011. He just could not give van Bommel the starting guarantee and role he had before. Both - van Gaal and van Bommel - had a short fight with the result that van Bommel left for Milan. Looking back it was a blessing that that transition happened like it did even if it added to the failures of that season. But it was the right time to change that and make Lahm and Schweinsteiger the captains. And it was better like this than to have a unsatisfied van Bommel sitting on the bench and maybe even causing turmoil in the dressing room.
He clashed with Demichelis at the start of his second season - the proud Argentinian could not stomach it to sit on the bench. That is why he left. He has his special idea about defenders - they have to be able to start the build up and he wants a right foot on the right and prefers a left foot on the left of the two central defenders. Lucio and his ways to play - especially his reluctancy to change his role - very early caused Lucio to leave for Milan.
He told Gomez and Tymo very early that they are not his buys and that he has problems to give them spots in his system because of the way they play. But - if you look at it now - we were a lot more successful with Olic or Mandzukic as a striker even if they are less potent goal scorers. And Tymo never got more than a bit part role with Heynckes, too - and they would not have any chances playing with Guardiola.
Ribery had his problems - he had no "fun". But the Ribery of 2009/10 was not disciplined - the Ribery of today is. I do not think that he is an example for anything. The Ribery of 2009/10 would have big problems with Guardiola, too...
Xavi was one, pretty sure, when Guardiola was getting old/even more injury prone.
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