That's what I want to see. Let someone like Van Gaal take over now. Get 3 odd years out of him and let the likes of Giggsy either be an assistant till then or better still be a manager somewhere else. Then, take a call at that time based on what transpires till then.
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That's what I want to see. Let someone like Van Gaal take over now. Get 3 odd years out of him and let the likes of Giggsy either be an assistant till then or better still be a manager somewhere else. Then, take a call at that time based on what transpires till then.
If United are going to appoint Van Gaal then it has to be soon. Another win with Giggs in charge will just add to the momentum of option of being him becoming the United. Which I think in a few years could be ideal but it's way too soon and too much of a gamble.
Also if it goes wrong what are United going to do SACK GIGGS!!
Also if it goes wrong what are United going to do SACK GIGGS!!
Well if he does fail, you'd hope that people would learn the lesson rather than want to commit the same mistake again and again. It's a bit like Liverpool with Dalglish, their fans were desperate for him to take over when the job was up for grabs. Post Rafa, and then post Hodgson. It was just something that needed to be flushed out of their system.
A board full of dreamers and sentimental idiots, they will ruin the club if they continue on this path. First the ridiculous fantasy about Moyes being the chosen one to replace SAF, now this fantasy about Giggs being the next Pep Guardiola and those stupid demands of wanting the class of 92 to be in the coaching staff at any cost. If any of this is true and we lose out on LVG and I have to watch Ryan Giggs ruin next season like Moyes has ruined this season, I'll be absolutley furious with the board. It is like a bunch of permanently high hippies running a big multinational firm, recipe for disaster.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-ferguson-hits-out-at-kluivert-1170000.html < funny how times change.
Probably SBC, SAF and maybe Gill, will they ever learn? He is not ready yet. Let him learn under an experienced manager. Just because he is a legend as a player does not give him the right to walk into the managers job.
I don't blame Van Gaal for wanting to bring his own people with him, it's what every manager does. I can also see why the club would want him to keep the current staff, they obviously feel the coaching changes had a negative effect on this season and they don't want a repeat of that, thus they feel having the likes of Giggs and Scholes helps him. I'm sure he wouldn't mind keeping one or two of them around but for him to keep all current staff is pretty crazy if you ask me, no manager would have that in fact. It's already a high pressured job as it is and if he feels having his own people helps him then so be it.
I'm uncomfortable with people anointing Giggs manager after van Gaal. What is this based on? How fit he looks in a tie?
Its nothing like the Dalglish situation. Giggsy hasnt even been a coach for a year. And this fascination with romantic choices and decade long managerial regimes is what got us Moyes. Surely lesson learnt?
The staff have been in place for one match. How would changing them be any kind of a upheaval whatsoever?
You do talk some shit. He had one season managing the B team... hardly the "master mind behind the system which produced Messi and co".
Messi last played for the B team in 2004-05, three years before Pep was running it. By the time Pep took over, he'd had three seasons in the first team.
Please don't just make rubbish like this up.
I assume there would be some back room changes too, maybe people who were there since SAF. Giggs has been around for years, so has Scholes. Woods has been here almost a year now too. It's more than one match.
Woodward is under pressure from Glazers to find the right manager. I just hope after the Moyes disaster he plays it safe and doesn't listen to any sentimentalists at all.
He knows shit about tactics from a managerial point of view and I don't need to see his management skills to know he won't drop his best friends and ex-collegues when it needs to happen. I know he won't ship out the deadwood, I know he won't bring turnaround. He'll just run us stuck as a club and worsen our situation.
At best he'll provide a motivational spark after a good speach, like Seedorf does at Milan, but anything more than that is wishfull thinking. He has 0 experience, no tactical wits and too biased to implement the changes that need to happen.
If Giggs takes over, then I'll rue the day we firred Moyes, because we would have been better off with him (and I hated having him as our coach).
Giggs hasn't even got a full season under his belt as a coach, Scholes' first involvement in first team affairs since retirement was Saturday and I hardly think Chris Woods' position will make or break things.
No he wasn't. Cruyff started it while Van Gaal made it much more effective than before. Guardiola was their coach for a season and didn't improve it at all, in fact the number of quality players coming after he left their academy is lower than it was before (although likely it has nothing to do with him).
However saying that Pep was the mastermind behind it which produced players like Messi is completely untrue. Messi was a first team regular long before Guardiola was doing anything on their academy.
If we appoint Giggsy and it turns out to be a disaster, we'l be stuck for a while 
. Really hope we have more sense than this specially after the bloody disaster that was the last managerial appointment.
. Really hope we have more sense than this specially after the bloody disaster that was the last managerial appointment.If Giggs wants to try his luck as a manager, he should experiment at another club. We have no time for experiments. A 2nd season without champions league football would be disastrous.
Absolutely nothing to do with favoritism or nationality. RVP just suits his game better. I also fear for Mata under LVG. Welbeck will show up as being overrated and clumsy just like he did for Fergie and Moyes
It's stunning that we're talking about potentially missing out on one of football's top coaches on the basis of "it worked out well against Norwich", or what's the other one? "Guardiola too had dark hair"
http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardiolas-greatest-achievement-barca-b-part-24/
The youth team lacked a plan. Josep Guardiola arrived with one, and transform a doomed b-team and youth system to a diamond mine. I will not go into detail on how the plan Guardiola and his men designed in 2007 looked like; but you can find it explained by Martí Pernarnau
The club are absolutely correct if these reports are correct. The core of backroom staff should remain. One of Moyes' biggest mistake was not keeping at least a few members of the backroom staff.
No, you misunderstand me. Giggs and Scholes have been in the dressing for years and if you doubt their influence, go read what the players say about them. What if DDG really enjoys working with Woods and asked for him to stay on? Maybe he doesn't want to have another coach again. Like I said before, there would be other staff changes too.
What core of backroom staff should remain? The ones who've been there since last week?
Manage the youth team then, or the reserves, like Guardiola. Even insisting he's an assistant is too much power at this point. It's indulging him too much.
Remain?
What are you talking about, they've been there for one match. We don't have backroom staff we have a series of people filling in on an interim basis until the end of the season.
I can't agree with that. Most members of our backroom staff have no coaching experience at all. How does that make them more qualified than van Gaal's team that coached countless world class players? I know I'd rather have van Gaal's team.
Hiring Moyes over the other far more qualified coaches/managers due to being A) British & B) the notion of continuing the "United way" only to sack him and consider/(anoint?) Giggs under the exact same principles would just be hilarious, I mean you would have to laugh at it would you not? otherwise you'd cry yourself to sleep.
My mistake for mentioning Messi.
However would you kindly tell me how Barcelona B was fairing prior to Guardiola's appointment and how they faired afterwards?
I think the mistake was more replacing them with coaches who, along with him, were quite clearly out of their depth. Pretty sure Mourinho takes most of his crew wherever he goes.
But why was Scholes being in the dressing room not an issue for us last Monday?
So it's something we're willing to miss out on van Gaal over but 7 days ago we weren't fussed if he was at home picking his arse in front of Countdown?
I can't help but wonder if the majority of those who want to give Giggsy the job full time are doing so out of sentiment, for the romance of the idea.
He hasn't much tactical knowledge though. He has played under a single manager in his entire footballing career, and if you can take a single aspect of Ferguson that wasn't world class it's his tactics.
I think that Giggs man management are fine although it may be problem that he is mate with players. However at other aspects of the game I doubt it'll work. Maybe if we get both Queiroz and Rene as his assistants and Giggs beinng a managerial figure getting advise when needed from Fergie (similar to Dalglish-Evans-Paisley) it may work, but still it is a big if and I don't think that we should make that gamble right now. If it doesn't work we will be in a more difficult position (especially since he'll be here at-least for two years regardless of performances, we won't sack him in the first year even if he is as bad as Moyes) and it will rue his chance to become our long term manager forever, even if he has it on him.
I can't help but wonder how many of those who want Giggsy thought Moyes would be a good manager.
Well ofcourse.
There is no hard evidence to suggest that Giggs will be a good manager.
Infact usually, great players make shite managers.
You know at this rate if we get hammered by Sunderland it'd be a relief. Mind you then the 'Poyet for United' badwagon will roll.
"He's beaten us and his team talk was like Jose gave it" and arguments that he's been at OT for 3 hours that day so must be offered a job for the sake of continuity.
"Guardiola is also foreign", they'll cry
"He's beaten us and his team talk was like Jose gave it" and arguments that he's been at OT for 3 hours that day so must be offered a job for the sake of continuity.
"Guardiola is also foreign", they'll cry
To be honest I wouldn't expect you to be able to provide the details of the time machine he used to "produce" Messi, several years after he'd broken into the first team. Leave that to the quantum physics boffins, eh?
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