The Van Gaal deal has been done for many days. It's still the first week of May, I don't get the rush here to see the official announcement. It'll be done by tomorrow.
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The Van Gaal deal has been done for many days. It's still the first week of May, I don't get the rush here to see the official announcement. It'll be done by tomorrow.
Rene worked with youth team and then went on to work with Brondy. It's only in the starting of 08/09 season that he was promoted as first team coach.
Doesn't lvg usually work with 2 assistants? If giggs is one, who's the other?
Furthermore it makes sense for him to appoint Giggsy as AM. He and his coaching staff will only work here after the World Cup is over. It's handy for him to have somebody at Man Utd who'll continuously update him and work on with the squad in the next two months or so.
If this is almost done then the next step for Woody is make sure that the summer transfer plans go smoothly. We cannot afford another feck-up in the transfer window. Announce this and concentrate energies on getting the fringe players out and making a couple of top signings.
I hope VG going to the WC is not going to postpone our transfer plans. Should have been settled in all these talks we have been having for the past couple of months.
I hope VG going to the WC is not going to postpone our transfer plans. Should have been settled in all these talks we have been having for the past couple of months.
If Giggs can't adapt as being second fiddle to one of the best and experience manager in LvG, he doesn't deserve the chance to manage United in the future. I'd like to think that for United long-term manager, will be someone who always want to learn, and being humble enough to know his weaknesses and able to appoint others who are better. Just like SAF, and the opposite of Moyes (sorry to dig up long-time scar).
True. In fairness, I'm not used to United being managerless. When rumours are flying around about us buying players, I could most of the time tell when or whether we'd actually clinched it or not. Manager appointments are parts unknown for myself.
That would be up to whoever is in charge. With a World Cup though, there wouldn't be many back on day one.
Sounds like Van Gaal was forced to take Giggs as his assistant. Not sure how comfortable I am with that. It could very well result in a manager vs. Giggs + players standoff if next season goes to shite again.
I was curious as to the date they'll come back as not all of them will be involved with the world cup. Someone will have to start with those players and the young ones who'll involved with the pre-season tour. No? Or will everything begin post the WC?
@KM Sometimes things seem to be obvious but ppl prefer to ignore them. That's exactly what happened after Moyes' appointment, ppl were concerned about his negative mentality and tactics, about his lack of experience at the highest level, about him bringing in midtable coaches, etc. But as weeks passed by, most of us chose to ignore it until it just wasn't possible anymore to do it.
Now with Giggs, there are possible negatives which just cannot be ignored. LvG hasn't even been appointed yet and you have already heard our current players, SAF, Giggs' ex mates (Robbo, Brucey) and his friend and ex teammate Gary Neville (who is a pundit, and still very close to Giggs - they now even own a cafe, club and I don't know what else together) claim how Giggs should be kept / is the man for the manager's vacancy / United needs a British manager, etc.
Giggs has too many ties within the club whereas LvG has none so far. Giggs has only been United stand-in manager for 2 weeks and we have already heard the term "The United was/philosophy" countless times. So ppl might have justified concerns how Giggs will act or what he will do when LvG prepares us to move on, to have a completely different training, to play a quick short passing game, to teach our players (especially the British ones who the Class of 92 prefer btw) some tactical awareness, not to get the ball out at wide at every possibility (Have you forgotten how Neville behaved after RM beat Bayern and how he emphasised that we had to play like this without mentioning once that this way of playing cost RM 200 mil for two players, and without mentioning that they had Xabi Alonso and Modric in midfield who allowed them to play like this?).
Maybe Giggs is smart enough and will appreciate LvG, but so far they (Class of 92) haven't shown anything which suggests they even realise that our 442 is out-dated, let alone appreciate another style.
Now with Giggs, there are possible negatives which just cannot be ignored. LvG hasn't even been appointed yet and you have already heard our current players, SAF, Giggs' ex mates (Robbo, Brucey) and his friend and ex teammate Gary Neville (who is a pundit, and still very close to Giggs - they now even own a cafe, club and I don't know what else together) claim how Giggs should be kept / is the man for the manager's vacancy / United needs a British manager, etc.
Giggs has too many ties within the club whereas LvG has none so far. Giggs has only been United stand-in manager for 2 weeks and we have already heard the term "The United was/philosophy" countless times. So ppl might have justified concerns how Giggs will act or what he will do when LvG prepares us to move on, to have a completely different training, to play a quick short passing game, to teach our players (especially the British ones who the Class of 92 prefer btw) some tactical awareness, not to get the ball out at wide at every possibility (Have you forgotten how Neville behaved after RM beat Bayern and how he emphasised that we had to play like this without mentioning once that this way of playing cost RM 200 mil for two players, and without mentioning that they had Xabi Alonso and Modric in midfield who allowed them to play like this?).
Maybe Giggs is smart enough and will appreciate LvG, but so far they (Class of 92) haven't shown anything which suggests they even realise that our 442 is out-dated, let alone appreciate another style.
There would be a date, but that would be down to the manager and his staff. That isn't confirmed so I would highly doubt a date has been set.
It's alluded to that whats happened this year yes, another bullet in the barrel over the execution of Moyes, as @united_99 pointed out earlier, the last thing we need is to have another mini-rebellion if for example LvG decides he also wants to veer away from the 442 + winger approach that Giggs was said to be so unhappy about under Moyes when he started playing Mata/Kagawa/Januzaj types instead of our authodox wingers.
My hope is that the possible appointment of Van Gaal and the installment of Giggs as assistant manager serves to a smooth process. Van Gaal clearly has his way of playing, and Giggs is used to Fergie's way. When it comes to transfer targets and methodological approach to tactics and training, I would hope that Giggs is open to a complete overhaul of the 'Manchester United' traditional approach.
One thing that concerns me is the idea of Giggs being manager-elect. In three years time, or possibly more depending how long van Gaal wants to stay and how successful he is, we could be in a position where any number of the world's top coaches become available and/or interested in the vacancy. Klopp could have overturned Bayern dominance in Germany and taken that extra step to win the CL, Mourinho could have added a third European title to his mix, Guardiola could have moved on from Bayern and began to manage in Italy where upon he built another world class side. Are we going to ignore all of that and perhaps others besides and appoint Ryan Giggs because it seemed like a good idea for a couple of weeks in the spring of 2014?
What?
Giggs was unhappy with Moyes(according to RI who broke this news earlier than anybody else) because he thought that we were focussing too much on opposition and there was very less emphasis on attacking training drills. Where are you getting this bullshit about Giggsy being unhappy with Moyes playing Adnan instead of wingers?
I'm out of this thread. Seems like a thread full of people with no knowledge whatsoever with intent of making up things.
Except there was no ignoring. Moyes was vehemently criticised for it on the Caf. I also fail to see why Gary Neville or any other ex-red opinions matter in the running of club, if Gaz's opinion would've mattered to Woodward and Co then we'd have been appointing a british based manager and wouldn't have bough Juan Mata and also wouldn't have sacked David Moyes.
Btw, Van Gaal also loves his wingers and used to play with Ribery/Robben at Bayern Munich. If people are expecting a tiki-taka Barcelona style, then they're in for a shock.
Also let's also cut off this nonsense of the club being too old fashioned in their decision making. The sacking of Moyes and the courting of Van Gaal before his sacking proves that this club will be ruthless. Sometimes having an old player in the coaching staff helps. Ancelloti has Zidane, AVB had Freund, Barcelona are appointing an ex player whose best achievement is finishing 10th in La Liga. It's only the football genuines on the Caf which has a problem with it.
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Well yes, but he did definitely have some one else in mind as an assistant. Maybe he does not find the idea of having giggs unreasonable with him having in depth knowledge and connection with the club.
LVG- rene- giggs, sounds nice imo. i'm sure van gaal will bring one or two of his own to complete the backroom staff.
never sure about bringing in kluivert, never like him either, especially i think he once rejected a move to united back in 1998. sir alex went for yorke and we all know what happened that season. it is a surprise he is in coaching as well now actually, as he never seems to be the kind of a player that will end up in management or coaching.
never sure about bringing in kluivert, never like him either, especially i think he once rejected a move to united back in 1998. sir alex went for yorke and we all know what happened that season. it is a surprise he is in coaching as well now actually, as he never seems to be the kind of a player that will end up in management or coaching.
I think you missed the part where I said "Its allued to", I didn't say it was concrete fact.
Also there's been plenty of suggestion over it over the past couple of months from different sources, including his pals Scholes/(G.)Neville actually voicing similarit verbatim but if you missed it all/don't believe so, then so be it.
State me one single source which said that Giggsy was unhappy because Moyes played with AM and not wingers. You made up things in order to suit your agenda which is quite pathetic really.
But why would I just make something up completely randomly? I have no agenda other than wanting United to do well, either with Giggs as assistant or without,
Everything quoted on Giggs being disillusioned under Moyes can't be backed up by actual fact, including the Red Issue blurb you quoted, (They also allued to the fact Mourinho travelled alone the other day to the Liverpool match to state the fact he wanted to make a point re:the United job and not a cold)
All of the notions that Giggs was unhappy with the inside forwards being used instad of pacey wingers was just another "story" often repeated in the past months.
Yet those close to Giggs, G.Neville, Scholes etc also voiced similar opinions just before Moyes departure aka "United are nothing without pace" etc so I assume thats where it comes from, please don't say I make just make things up on the spot for some random agenda, its a tad insulting.
Since you stated that there are "plenty of suggestion over it over the past couple of months from different sources", it won't be difficult to find one source.
At the same time Moyes was also vehemently supported on the Caf and ppl were generalizing that everyone has the right to bring in his own coaching staff.
And noone said they don't want wingers at all or LvG would employ tiki-taka, ppl just don't want EVERYTHING to go out wide. The last game when Fletcher and Carrick ignored Mata and when even Mata was playing balls wide to Young showed exactly that that's NOT the way how to play, unless you have wingers as good as Giggs/Becks in their prime.
I also like how you completely ignore that Zidane and Enrique played under different managers and systems, whereas Giggs only knows the SAF way.
Anyway, no point going in circles, we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Ok, I'm just going to type "giggs + wingers" into google as I really don't want to fanny around scrolling back over the forum, where Its been mentinoned a number of times, the first link that comes up.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...-two-fast-direct-wingers-4013572#.U2il9lexCM8
There you go, one random (crap) source that may have given rise to the story, I didn't just invent the idea spontaniously 5minutes ago.
You've implied from these quotes that Giggsy clashed with Moyes because he played Shinji etc in place of wingers?
Don't want to get involved, but I don't think he would accept Tribalfootball as a source 
. Absolute dross, that site
. Absolute dross, that siteI didn't say anything other than its been alluded to Giggs was unhappy/discontent with Moyes for abandoning our authodox wingers.
Don't want to get involved, but I don't think he would accept Tribalfootball as a source
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/footbal...ust-always-play-with-two-fast-direct-wingers/
@BennyBlanco @KM
There were many issues with Giggs and Moyes - but not his use of AMs in the wide positions. Giggs issue was the lack of tempo. Moyes favoured a more slower build up. Nothing to do with not playing wingers.
There were many issues with Giggs and Moyes - but not his use of AMs in the wide positions. Giggs issue was the lack of tempo. Moyes favoured a more slower build up. Nothing to do with not playing wingers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-need-Fergies-winning-formula-pace-power.html Having to go trall through the net now... ok so basically the same type of article by the DM based off of the same quotes, so it has been discussed.. at least.
"The pressure for Moyes to revert back to ‘Fergie’s formula’ — two quick, direct wide men — has intensified in the past week." - (Articles words, not mine)
And again the matter of Giggs mates like Scholesy for example saying quotes like "United are nothing without pace" after the city game, aka our speedy wingers in wideplaces rather than the slower Mata, Kagawa etc.
and then obviously the debate re:G.Neville (another Giggs likeminded mate) whom was also critical of the Mata signing, using him wide, and obviously lately getting into a (weird) flame war on twitter with out fans after the Real/Bayern game over fast/direct/wing play > what he called "those who opperated in pockets of space"
Anyway please for the love of Christ at least believe I did not just randomly pull the suggestion out of nowhere 5minutes ago, I wouldn't do that.
"The pressure for Moyes to revert back to ‘Fergie’s formula’ — two quick, direct wide men — has intensified in the past week." - (Articles words, not mine)
And again the matter of Giggs mates like Scholesy for example saying quotes like "United are nothing without pace" after the city game, aka our speedy wingers in wideplaces rather than the slower Mata, Kagawa etc.
and then obviously the debate re:G.Neville (another Giggs likeminded mate) whom was also critical of the Mata signing, using him wide, and obviously lately getting into a (weird) flame war on twitter with out fans after the Real/Bayern game over fast/direct/wing play > what he called "those who opperated in pockets of space"
Anyway please for the love of Christ at least believe I did not just randomly pull the suggestion out of nowhere 5minutes ago, I wouldn't do that.
You know a discussion has gone down the pan when the sources being quoted are tribal football and the daily mail. All we need now is caught offside to make the hat trick.
Did he? For all Giggs bleating on about pace the team still looked terribly slow against Sunderland. I struggle to know what Moyes was attempting with this team tbh.
I think we can guess Giggs views from what Neville has been saying all season, neither of them seem to like Mata/Kagawa.
Still don't agree with your sources, but perhaps it was too aggressive to say that you made up things in order to suit your agenda. I apologise for that.
Let's end this pointless argument.
Not if there is a substantial clearout of players, the players might like how LVG works and side with him. Giggs might not get the support he expects.
Yet he played him in his first game in charge.
Dont know where this comes from. Moyes was the one who was unsure on Kagawa. Giggs and Moyes had many problems - style and tempo was the tip of the iceberg.
Yes the team played slowly at the weekend and im sure Giggs would be the first to admit that.
Agree with Benny. Obviously we're making assumptions about the collective thinking of the class of '92 but Neville's reaction to Mata/Kagawa, Scholes's sky appearance and Giggs subsequent dropping of Mata suggests to me that one of their main gripes with Moyes was not playing quick attackers - that includes opting for someone behind Rooney over Welbeck and overlooking Valencia/Young/Nani too.
Tbf, Giggs dropped Mata and then played Kagawa in his first match.
Be interesting if he plays tonight and him playing makes the team even slower. He is moaning about pace, but we don't have a team of sprinters anymore. If that is what is needed, players of that type need to be brought in. Lack of pace doesn't bother me too much if they have players who can actually pass the ball forwards, not backwards and sideways. Players who can think quickly is better than a lot of fast headless chickens. Movement off the ball is what we have been missing, we have too many players who get the ball, look around then take the easy option of passing backwards.
What's all this I'm reading on twitter about Louis Van Gaal not being allowed to sign Patrick Kluviet as assistant manager as the club want Ryan Giggs assistant.. that's a great way to start with the new manager.
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