Which may explain why this deal is taking forever.
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Which may explain why this deal is taking forever.
Aah My bad...
I personally detest Sir Alex saying things that will potentially destabilise the club. He ought to keep quiet until the new manager is appointed. He's a powerful man and an important man to the players at the club. He says something that will make the new manager unwelcome then how is that looking out for the club. Robbo should also tuck it in for a while. All the praises disappeared after that Sunderland loss. Let it stay that way.
I don't think so. This is how a proper hiring process should be. Dont think that lvg is the only candidate. They were probably waiting/interviewing others as well.
I wanted to say to the people criticizing Sir Alex, you're scum. Pure and simple. We're not talking about a God, we're talking about a man who gave everything. Some people have lost their minds this season. Not just the players. Giggs role is really no ones concern. Grow up and let's be positive and even that last defeat is a positive. If Giggs win's all four, maybe we become complacent again. We have to be strong in the market and with our choice so whoever that is needs everyone pulling in the same direction. You might not like it, but let's be positive and drop this talk of sentimentality and name calling. If it's LVG and he's into youth and attacking AND good passing - then great. Moaning about the role of Giggs etc is stupid. It's all speculation. There could be a number of reasons why it's not been announced.
Sir Alex made a mistake in hindsight. We move on. Don't be idiots out of frustration.
Sir Alex made a mistake in hindsight. We move on. Don't be idiots out of frustration.
I doubt its the case. This is a highly specialized job so there are very few candidates who are available and good enough for the job. Also according to Klopp he wasn't even approached let alone interviewed.
We need a clean break from the Fergie era. The new manager needs to take a completely objective and unfettered look at the current squad and decide who needs to go and who needs to come in. If the club insists on Giggs being No 2 then it already undermines the new man who would otherwise want to bring in his own people. Furthermore Giggs will have his own ideas and will be running them past Fergie no doubt and this might be the cause of some division. The last point is that by insisting Giggs is in the management team and giving LVG say a two year deal, which has been reported recently, then they are saying that Giggs is the natural, automatic even, successor after that period. Surely it is better, given the trauma of the Fergie succession so far, for Giggs and co to seek experience elsewhere, let the new manager do his thing, and then depending on what happens to be considered for the top job, but along with others too, when LVG leaves in two or three years? This business of the Class of 92 being a marketable commodity is surely way down the list of priorities at this time?
SAF will always be remembered as a legend. However if he wants to manage the club then he should return as a manager. I am sure that everyone would be happy with that.
If he doesn't want that then he should stay away from management once and for all. I doubt that SAF would have appreciated if in his first year (or before coming to United) Busby came out into the media giving his views on how things should be run, who should remain in the coaching staff and who should be employed as manager etc. Managers are vulnerable especially in their first years at a club.
He'll end up getting sacked in 2 years for being his own man. And by his own man, I mean being an absolute nutcase.
He also doesn't look likely to get a job this big if not us. None of the other elite clubs have been banging down his door, have they? I wouldn't discount him being pragmatic enough to do ot.
So have there been other reports about who else LvG is bringing in? Or have we forbidden him to bring in anyone else and instead work with Woods and Class of 92? Btw, when we are at it, why not bring Becks and Gary Neville back as well? 
You need to tell yourself this every night before you go to bed. If you believe any man is immune from all criticism, you need to grow up.
I wont be so sure about that.
VG had to cope in a scenario which is pretty restrictive compared to that in Manchester. Many foreign clubs have directors who dictate which players the club will sign and ambitious owners/chairmen whose agenda differ from that of managers. I've seen managers being instructed in front of the entire media by the owner on which system the owner wants the team to play. At Inter it wasn't unusual for a manager to ask for a left back and end up with a CM instead. VG wont find that sort of crap at OT, or at least I hope so.
thats funny, because thats what Moyes tried to do and got nothing but stick from day 1
That's the difference between shitc**ts and world-class managers.
If lets say a player goes to hospital and a medical student tell that guy that he has a serious disease were he either amputate a leg or else he will die, do you think that he will believe him? Or would that footballer employ the best doctors in the field and see if what this rookie is saying is true?
Moyes may have had a point but he simply lacked the CV and experience to be believed. We must not forget that these players had served us well for years. The fans would certainly not turn against them because some rookie from a small club had told them so.
Well that's because Moyes is Moyes. LvG's track record tells us we can feel inclined to trust him with whatever he feels needs doing, whereas Moyes' grand total of 0 trophies tells us otherwise.
The reliable James Ducker is saying LVG could be announced before the Hull game.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/manchesterunited/article4081773.ece
It's the Times so can someone please post the full article?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/manchesterunited/article4081773.ece
It's the Times so can someone please post the full article?
Im just saying lads, some people are hypocrites. When Moyes joined, there was uproar, a manager shouldnt be allowed to tear everything apart.
Now that Moyes hasnt worked out, everyone wants VG to come in with a broom and sweep everything out
make up your minds
Now that Moyes hasnt worked out, everyone wants VG to come in with a broom and sweep everything out
make up your minds
here you go - by James Drucker in today's Times
It promises to be a mixture of hellos and goodbyes at Old Trafford this evening.
Louis van Gaal could be confirmed as Manchester United’s new manager by the time the Barclays Premier League champions face Hull City in their final home match of a wretched season, a game that is likely to involve a few farewells, some of which will be mourned, others welcomed.
Nemanja Vidic, the captain and longstanding bedrock of the defence, will make his last appearance for United at Old Trafford before joining Inter Milan this summer and it could also turn out to be the final match at the ground for Patrice Evra, the France left back.
Rio Ferdinand is another who is uncertain to stay beyond the end of this season, but the former England centre half — like Vidic and Evra, a linchpin of United’s defence down the years — is not in the squad for the visit of Hull.
As for Ryan Giggs, today could mark the end of one chapter and the start of another. The Welshman will take charge of his final fixture at Old Trafford as interim manager — for now, at least — and if he elects to include himself in the squad, stands to take his final bow at a stadium he has graced for 23 years should he bring the curtain down on his illustrious playing career a week or two from now. Yet as one door closes, another could be opening. There were reports in the Netherlands yesterday that Patrick Kluivert, who is Van Gaal’s assistant with the national team, is unlikely to join the 62-year-old at United.
With Danny Blind, another of Van Gaal’s assistants, not expected to make the move to Manchester either, the prospect of Giggs becoming Van Gaal’s No 2 appears to be increasing, even if sources close to the 40-year-old suggested yesterday that he was still unclear about the club’s intentions.
Van Gaal will commence a ten-day training camp in Hoenderloo tomorrow, culminating in a friendly against Ecuador in Amsterdam a week on Saturday, the first of Holland’s warm-up matches before the World Cup finals start in Brazil next month.
Evra described losing Vidic as “painful”. Both arrived at United in January 2006 and overcame difficult starts to cement their place in the club’s history.
“I remember our first game, it was so hard, we played in the reserves and we were so poor,” Evra recalled. “We were saying, ‘Oh my god, why have we come to Manchester United?” We should go quickly back to our clubs. For me, I am really sad to lose ‘The Rock’, because for me that’s what I call him.”
Wayne Rooney is expected to be missing still with a groin injury.
No need to rush to get a new manager, and we're still unsure about what such a big club will looks like next year.
We're dependent from a potential manager going to the WC this summer, and not avalaible until July to work on transfer, training strategy ....
We made a huge huge mistake last year when we had Mourinho and Ancelotti free, we should appoint one of them.
The timing for Moyes's sacking was also poor.... We lost more than one year with that, we need to rebuild now deeply when Moyes should have had continuity with a good group of player.
I fear for next year that we'll do a bit of business but very late. Without CL we'll not attract top players we need to compete with Chelsea and City.
The time Van Gaal comes to Carrington, he prepares his staff, his scouts, he sends Woody to negociate for 3-4 players.... I think it's going to be too late for us, and with that, having so many players leaving the club...
We need to sort out this asap, appoint Van Gaal this week, he needs to name his staff asap and let the club run the transfers he wants before the WC
We're dependent from a potential manager going to the WC this summer, and not avalaible until July to work on transfer, training strategy ....
We made a huge huge mistake last year when we had Mourinho and Ancelotti free, we should appoint one of them.
The timing for Moyes's sacking was also poor.... We lost more than one year with that, we need to rebuild now deeply when Moyes should have had continuity with a good group of player.
I fear for next year that we'll do a bit of business but very late. Without CL we'll not attract top players we need to compete with Chelsea and City.
The time Van Gaal comes to Carrington, he prepares his staff, his scouts, he sends Woody to negociate for 3-4 players.... I think it's going to be too late for us, and with that, having so many players leaving the club...
We need to sort out this asap, appoint Van Gaal this week, he needs to name his staff asap and let the club run the transfers he wants before the WC
Hopefully holland won't go too far in the World Cup so he can join sooner rather than later as there is a lot of work to do and the quicker he can get on with it the better and last thing we want is holland playing in the final on 13th June.
It appears that Woodward is working on transfers and if he could secure a couple of new signings and maybe offload a few as well before the World Cup it would make life a lot easier for van gaal as he will have a lot to do in a short period of time.
It appears that Woodward is working on transfers and if he could secure a couple of new signings and maybe offload a few as well before the World Cup it would make life a lot easier for van gaal as he will have a lot to do in a short period of time.
Moyes was out of his depth, he was bringing in his mid table coaching staff.
LvG is a world class, proven, trophy winning manager who should be allowed to bring in his own staff.
Difference is LVG is bringing a team that have won trophies across europe, Moyes brought a team that have won 0 trophies and have never trained a truly top class player to replace what we already had.
I can't imagine it being announced before the game, why shite on Giggs/Vidic/Evra/Rio farewell (so to speak).. but if the media catch on that he is indeed there tonight I'd imagine it'll be announced after the game in the press.
As a manager he had the same rights as any other incoming manager to choose his own staff. Surely?
Well who cares if he had the right or not, we are a football club, not a court. Fact is he (midtable manager himself) replaced a title winning coaching staff with his mid table staff. LvG is replacing our current staff who have managed a grand total of 2 first Team games in their careers with his trusted staff.
Moyes has already ripped up the backroom staff so what van Gaal does now doesn't destroy anything of significance - unless Phil Neville and co. are very good at what they do.
Moyes had every right to get rid but I think he made the wrong decision when you consider the experience of the people he brought in versus the experience of the existing staff in place.
Normally managers always bring their own people with them and I don't see why anyone would have expected moyes not to bring his staff. The problem was the whole management team were not up to the quality of the people they were replacing and they were not accustomed to working at that level and that is there real issue.
Everything points to the appointment being confirmed after the Hull game, probably tomorrow, so I wouldn't worry about the timing. The World cup is a small problem as Van Gaal isn't likely to arrive at the start of pre season, but we'll just have to handle it.
I've been reading the (excellent) Biography of Robert Enke which includes some stories from his time at Barcelona, under Van Gaal (well, just a few months). Amittedly I find it a little worrying, tales about Van Gaal not communicating with the players very well, etc. The goalkeeping coach he's going to bring in, however, always told his keepers to play like Van der Sar so it's not all bad.
There will either be a click here or a big explosion.
It's not really the same though. Unless we go forward with the Class of 92 + Rio & Woods as the coaches. Moyes got rid of some guys, brought in his own men. Most of these guys have gone with Moyes therefore unless we're just going to have a set up full of ex-players LVG needs to bring in some new men.
It's already been torn apart though. I'm not sure if it's more difficult to look to someone to come in with a quick fix and try to go back to the way things were...or if they should come in and look to carry on the 'tearing apart'.
van Gaal's CV gets him the leeway. Moyes essentially came in as a man with a lot to learn so tearing things up appears to be a lot more ill-advised.
Nothing on Comedy Central yet.
Everything points to the appointment being confirmed after the Hull game, probably tomorrow, so I wouldn't worry about the timing. The World cup is a small problem as Van Gaal isn't likely to arrive at the start of pre season, but we'll just have to handle it.
I've been reading the (excellent) Biography of Robert Enke which includes some stories from his time at Barcelona, under Van Gaal (well, just a few months). Amittedly I find it a little worrying, tales about Van Gaal not communicating with the players very well, etc. The goalkeeping coach he's going to bring in, however, always told his keepers to play like Van der Sar so it's not all bad.
There will either be a click here or a big explosion.
Van Gaal not coming for the pre season is an absolute joke to me.
I think that the club works (with Moyes) on several players and potential recruitment. If we believe the Guardian, United were (or are) very very close (if not done) to 4 players already....
What's Van Gaal's role in this project of rebuilding ? He's focused on Holland until July, how can he gives input to Woodward when negotiating with players ?
We lost time in last July, and it seems that we'll do the same mistake again. No new players, a new manager, new staff, players wanting to leave....
Van Gaal or not, he'll coach players he's not chosen.
I fear another Moyes fail
The Oggmeister said LVG would be confirmed later today.
We don't really have a coaching staff, more a last-minute ad-hoc make-do set up. This shouldn't be used as a basis for preventing van Gaal from bringing in his own team and I don't think it will be.
Where has he said that?
Who?
It's one thing joining a club as a manager after the previous one was sacked, usually for failure/under perfomance. In those circumstances it's pretty reasonable for the new manager to bring in all his own people to shake things up and make changes. It's quite another joining a club in United's position last year where the club had been so successful so consistently with Fergie having appointed key people in key positions which could, and probably should have ensured the require stability. Moyes' mistake was to approach the United job in the same way as if he was replacing an under performing manager and coaching team.
Van Gaal is in an entirely different position now should become our manager. He is joining a hugely under performing team and replacing a failed manager so in that context it is completely justifiable (unlike Moyes last summer) for him to be allowed to bring in whomever he feels can do the job best.
Van Gaal is in an entirely different position now should become our manager. He is joining a hugely under performing team and replacing a failed manager so in that context it is completely justifiable (unlike Moyes last summer) for him to be allowed to bring in whomever he feels can do the job best.
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