Not in the Premier League, he just didn't have quick enough feet, and the fact he played there so seldom in less physical Leagues and at International level(home to San Marino or Luxembourg don't count) backs that up.
Was Veron a flop?
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Not in the Premier League, he just didn't have quick enough feet, and the fact he played there so seldom in less physical Leagues and at International level(home to San Marino or Luxembourg don't count) backs that up.
Definitely a flop.
I was at that game. Great day and great performance. Loved Veron could watch him all day. I actually think he’s far more Pogba than Fernandes.
I know what you mean.That is the saddest thing I've seen today.The best of times...
Of course he was a flop. Perhaps a ‘Qualified Flop’ is a better term.
We had a great side that he didn’t fit into.
It could be argued that a team built around Keane, Scholes and Seba as a midfield 3 could have hit incredible heights.... but we didn’t go in that direction.
Phenomenal player though. Truly world class.
We had a great side that he didn’t fit into.
It could be argued that a team built around Keane, Scholes and Seba as a midfield 3 could have hit incredible heights.... but we didn’t go in that direction.
Phenomenal player though. Truly world class.
He was, unfortunately, a flop for us. Yet he was a fantastic footballer elsewhere, and made Pogba look like a cheap prototype version.
One of the most gifted playmakers. His passing was top class. Long range passing was masterclass. Absolutly brilliant.
Unfortunately, he kind of flopped in ManUtd looking at his reputation. Problem with him was coming to a team already in prime. To play him in our midfield we went from traditional 4-4-2 to 4-4-1-1 with Scholes just behind striker. If I remember well, Fergie wanted more international style because lot of teams in south Europe (mostly Spain) started experimenting with tactics and filling midfield with one more player in expense of one forward.
For United. What he did with Sampdoria, Parma and Lazio and Argentina rightfully placed him as the foremost playmaking central midfielder of the late 1990s and early 2000s period.
Yes, it was in premier league he struggled at times. Was very good elsewhere
Agree with most on here, premier league was tough for him, he was looking in need of some extra pace at times, but did score in our 3-5 win at Spurs, after 3 nil down, what a turn around that was. Not bad at set pieces, but his playing days were better else where than with us.
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For our level at the time, yes. Now he'd be our best player.
At the time he certainly was. But really I only ever really learnt what the word meant after Di Maria, Falcao And the number 1 flop Sanchez
With Veron I was ecstatic when he was signed. But it just never happened for him at Utd. He was not able to adapt to the league or our side.
With Veron I was ecstatic when he was signed. But it just never happened for him at Utd. He was not able to adapt to the league or our side.
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What a player! I wouldn't call him a flop. Happy we had him. Pity it didn't last!
If we had bought Veron after 2006 he would have been a success. It was very unfortunate for him as we played with 8s than two pivot 6/8 players.
I remember him well. An incredibly talented footballer with an amazing first touch. The problem he had was the pace and physicality of the prem. it ended up really surprising him and he struggled. He was used to having time in the ball in Serie A (off memory Lazio and Parma I believe) but in the prem he just struggled in some games which surprised a few. He cane with a massive reputation.
we shuffled him off to Chelsea as soon as they got their money.
should’ve stayed in Italy or moved to Spain, would have suited his style. Great technique and skill, scored a great goal from around 30 yds chipping keeper in European game (if I remember right) but ultimately he struggled in the premto have anywhere near the impact he had in Italy or for Argentina.
it ain’t the toughest league in the world for no reason.
we shuffled him off to Chelsea as soon as they got their money.
should’ve stayed in Italy or moved to Spain, would have suited his style. Great technique and skill, scored a great goal from around 30 yds chipping keeper in European game (if I remember right) but ultimately he struggled in the premto have anywhere near the impact he had in Italy or for Argentina.
it ain’t the toughest league in the world for no reason.
Kleberson was the head scratcher really
Of course he was a flop. 100%
he had some moments, and was a talented player, but that’s nowhere near good enough. He had 2 years, and couldn’t cement a place in the first 12.
he was one of the best players in the world, was a huge transfer fee - and we made a 50% loss. It was only because Chelsea suddenly got rich that we got £15m for him, if it wasn’t for them, we might not have got £10m for him.
he had some moments, and was a talented player, but that’s nowhere near good enough. He had 2 years, and couldn’t cement a place in the first 12.
he was one of the best players in the world, was a huge transfer fee - and we made a 50% loss. It was only because Chelsea suddenly got rich that we got £15m for him, if it wasn’t for them, we might not have got £10m for him.
Yes. There's been alot bigger flops since might I add.
He's similar to Pogba is today, probably slightly better..
Highly talented midfielder could pull off moments of brilliance, oozed class. He just didnt adjust well to the pace and ferocity of the Prem. Displacing world class players in Keane and Scholes and cementing his place in the first team was tough
With hindsight you could say we went for the wrong Lazio player. We should've gone for Nedved.
He's similar to Pogba is today, probably slightly better..
Highly talented midfielder could pull off moments of brilliance, oozed class. He just didnt adjust well to the pace and ferocity of the Prem. Displacing world class players in Keane and Scholes and cementing his place in the first team was tough
With hindsight you could say we went for the wrong Lazio player. We should've gone for Nedved.
I don’t remember the opponent but my memory swears I was watching a pre season highlight on Sky News & he played a ridiculous through ball for an assist then was sold days later.
Might just be a false memory but I remember thinking he was about to settle as well.
Probably in the same way Mata was a flop. You can see he has quality, we just didn’t provide the most fertile place for him to show it. Still a great player.
Didn’t Fergie say Vernon scored the greatest goal he’d ever seen? I think it was on some pre-season tour, possibly during training or behind closed doors. A backheeled volley or something like that.
I always wish I could have seen that but I don’t think it was caught on camera.
I was so excited when we signed him. Thought he’d take us to new levels at the time and help us win another European Cup. Fantastically talented but not the right time for him to be at United. He had great moments so not a flop by any means, more unrealised potential.
I always wish I could have seen that but I don’t think it was caught on camera.
I was so excited when we signed him. Thought he’d take us to new levels at the time and help us win another European Cup. Fantastically talented but not the right time for him to be at United. He had great moments so not a flop by any means, more unrealised potential.
Possibly the most disappointing signing ever.
He is injured.
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He will be back soon but need to play with quality players like Thierry Henry and CR7 IMO @P-Nut
We need to let him recover from his injury. @Michaelf7777777
He will be back soon but need to play with quality players like Thierry Henry and CR7 IMO @P-Nut
What do you mean by this? He played in every preseason match in 2001 bar the Bury match (6th exhibition that summer). Same for 2002 and 2003.
That was part of the problem. As he said himself:
Veron said:
Veron signed in mid-July and went straight into games. He was an impressive physical specimen in Serie A who went toe-to-toe with athletes and workhorses like Davids, Gattuso and Di Livio. He lost that edge in his late-20s and never really recovered it thereafter. He probably needed the pre-season conditioning and work in the gym more than most to perform to his best.
he’s up there deffo. He’s not like a Sanchez or Shevchenko who you look back on and can see the red flags. This was one of the best players in the world, in his prime going to a great team.
so disappointing.
Yes and he was the first superstar player bought from the Serie A at the peak of their powers. Disappointment isn't even the right word.
I think he was just out of his time really. He was a deep lying playmaker at a time when no-one in England knew such a thing. Most teams put a heavy tackler at the base of midfield and an attacking midfielder at the front of midfield. The idea of a player dictating from deep was just weird when he arrived, and all but impossible in an old fashioned 4-4-2. It sounds laughable now, but switching to a 4-5-1 to accommodate him was so unpopular that the crowd used to chant "4-4-2" at Old Trafford for a while.
You can't help but think that these days, when even midtable teams will swap between 2 or 3 formations per game, he'd be much easier to accommodate and that his amazing passing range (evident even at the time with us) would shine through.
You can't help but think that these days, when even midtable teams will swap between 2 or 3 formations per game, he'd be much easier to accommodate and that his amazing passing range (evident even at the time with us) would shine through.
Everyone rates him based on his time here, in which case he was obviously a flop. Brought in as an expensive option to make us more flexible in the European games, but never really cemented himself, albeit the fact we did have a formidable midfield already.
I don't even know which position I would have played him in to suit him best.
It was probably one of the most exciting signings in the club's history.
My joke was obvioulsy a flop like the picks I am making these days!
At the time yes, however I do think he went some way to paving the way for players like Carrick and the gradual modernisation of the EPL.
incidentally he’d fit in quite nicely in a 433 as the deepest midfielder to dictate the game in modern day football.
incidentally he’d fit in quite nicely in a 433 as the deepest midfielder to dictate the game in modern day football.
I wouldn't say a flop per se but yeah it didn't work out and he never found his place in the team.
I remember some very entertaining interplay at times with Giggs and he performed better in the CL.
I seem to remember him playing better with Phil Neville biting ankles beside him when Keane was injured. Himself, and Keane never really seemed to be able to gel and I don't know how much time Keane had for him at all.
I remember some very entertaining interplay at times with Giggs and he performed better in the CL.
I seem to remember him playing better with Phil Neville biting ankles beside him when Keane was injured. Himself, and Keane never really seemed to be able to gel and I don't know how much time Keane had for him at all.
Keane was the boss, too dominant and influential here.
I wish United had bought more of a combative player with an eye for goal (Ballack maybe?) to partner Keane instead as Veron's skillset didn't seem necessary with Keane around. I can see why he was bought to help us in Europe but it didn't work in the league.
His performance in this game was epic and the game itself was a significant match in reclaiming the title in 02/03.... and like someone else has pointed out, it is infuriating that this game finished 2-0 to United, not 2-1 as the video is labeled.
Much like Berbatov (as many have pointed out) Veron blew hot and cold, and ultimately his inconsistency led to his exit, but make no mistake - when he was on, he was on. He was a significant contributor in our 02/03 title so that alone elevates him above the "flop" category - I'm not saying he was our best player that season (that would have clearly been RVN) but Veron made a significant contribution in the season (which should nullify the "but bit part players like Kieron Richardson, Mike Eagles, Luke Chadwick, Quinton Fortune won league titles" counter argument - Veron was in no way a bit part player in 02/03). Anyone who watched Veron destroy Juve over two legs in 2003 would see that the boy could play football and that he should not be included in the same category with names like : Alexis Sanchez, Di Maria, Memphis Depay, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Mark Bosnich, Klebberson DJDJ, Gary Birtles, Andy Goram, Terry Gibson, Jim Leighton, Karel Poborski, Jordi Cryuff.