All we know is that Chelsea made an absurdly lowball bid for Rooney. We can speculate anything we want, but that's all we know.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Part of me wonders if this whole mess is because he's looking for a new contract. This is eerily reminiscent of the first time when he wanted a new contract, right down to him threatening to go and significantly strengthen a rival. It's very likely the next contract he signs will be his last big contract and after that ends his value will have diminshed and he'll in all likelihood not be able to command the wages he does now.
This makes the most sense for me because of all the reasons why Wayne supposedly wants out none of them make sense. He's not being dropped out of the squad for Van Persie, he's occupying the same role behind the striker he has for United and England with the exception of one season. Even if we was being dropped, when asking Moyes about assurances, Moyes like any manager on the planet would lie to him. The other reason of fans backlash because of what Sir Alex said, doesn't work either. Last time there was the same hatred as now even "Who's the whore now Wayne" and "Coleen Forgives, We Dont" banners at Old Trafford, but in every game since he came back, there were Rooney chants. He knows, like we do, that a couple of good performances most will be chanting Rooney again.
This makes the most sense for me because of all the reasons why Wayne supposedly wants out none of them make sense. He's not being dropped out of the squad for Van Persie, he's occupying the same role behind the striker he has for United and England with the exception of one season. Even if we was being dropped, when asking Moyes about assurances, Moyes like any manager on the planet would lie to him. The other reason of fans backlash because of what Sir Alex said, doesn't work either. Last time there was the same hatred as now even "Who's the whore now Wayne" and "Coleen Forgives, We Dont" banners at Old Trafford, but in every game since he came back, there were Rooney chants. He knows, like we do, that a couple of good performances most will be chanting Rooney again.
Either way he has an absolutely scumbag for an agent!
Holding on to an unhappy player is not an option for any club. You need to read between the lines. Every player has he's price and of coarse United will not want to sell him to Chelsea but can you honestly see them holding on to a player who wants to leave? United will want the best price for him so naturally they will say that they want to keep him. I honestly can't see a way back for him at United especially as he can't get into the squad for the Community Shield but he will be available for England, it's a total farce.
We've done so many times before see Ruud, Ronaldo, Evra etc.
Awwww diddums. He just wants to be loved. Stop acting like a cnut then.
Moyes: "I had a long conversation with Roy Hodgson last week about it, told him Wayne's situation," Moyes told MUTV. "Wayne has had a shoulder injury which has meant he has not been able to have any contact and he has been sore with it, so he hasn't trained with us he has trained a little bit with the reserves as a non-contact player, a floating player, but at least he got a little bit of football work.
"He trained with the first team today and he did a bit of extra work, so he is probably more likely to be ready for England than he will be for us, you've got to remember he is going to play for England and he has had no football practise, but I explained all this to Roy, Roy knows, and I would only expect Roy to play him for a short time as well, hopefully Wayne is not in too good form because it would be good if Scotland could get a result!"
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"He trained with the first team today and he did a bit of extra work, so he is probably more likely to be ready for England than he will be for us, you've got to remember he is going to play for England and he has had no football practise, but I explained all this to Roy, Roy knows, and I would only expect Roy to play him for a short time as well, hopefully Wayne is not in too good form because it would be good if Scotland could get a result!"
(Guardian)
Makes it sound like there's no dispute and that he's staying
Odds on Rooney doing an interview whilst on England duty and denying he's been injured?
I don't want him playing for us again - it's that simple. Hope we can get a lot of money for him by offloading him though. Preferably abroad if not Arsenal rather than Chelsea.
Well that explains the training with the reserves. Obviously one could still trust the rags and believe he was forced to train away from the first team.
Also makes complete sense he is not in the squad for Shield game. It's not a friendly like where he can be given 20-30 min run out to get some march fitness. Though I suspect a big deal will be made once he is officially not in tomorrow.
Also makes complete sense he is not in the squad for Shield game. It's not a friendly like where he can be given 20-30 min run out to get some march fitness. Though I suspect a big deal will be made once he is officially not in tomorrow.
Very likely.
Dave being nice and diplomatic, almost eerily like fergie himself would have put it.
I'd be very surprised if he doesn't do an interview after the game.
I'd be very surprised if he doesn't do an interview after the game.
would not mind if we sold him to the Gunners. They are a proper club.
I doubt Arsenal can afford his wages.
He'd have no choice but to take a pay cut. I don't think Chelsea would pay his current wages either.
RVP said he wants Rooney to stay and that he was one of the reasons why he joined United.
"The little boy inside me was screaming Wayne Rooney".
I think he will end up staying, I would imagine the skag doesn't want to go abroad given the new baby and settled where they are, and given he played away with whores I would say he owes some, so he trying for a move in the PL to suit her, but there is no fecking way we will sell to a PL club, like heinze and the dippers, no way, and the dippers weren't even a threat. We hold all the aces here.
Like I said, not really much of what has happened points to Wayne 'doing everything he can to engineer a move'. Seems a bit weird.
Yes, this. I agree with this.
The bottom line is that he can win the majority of fans over again by just committing and knuckling down. I have seen some people in this thread say he would never be able to win back the admiration of fans back, rubbish. Fans are incredibly fickle, sure there will be people who will hate him forever but that would be expected, most fans would accept him again with a few good performances. He has proved his worth over and over again, he is one of those players that can change a game.
As for confidence in the strike trio of Welbeck, RvP and Chicarito...well that is all well and good until one of them gets injured, maybe another one goes through a dry spell of not scoring and very quickly you are reliant on one striker to deliver the goods. A trio is not great striking cover, four is more ideal.
Im not going to be sad if we lose him but keeping him if he wants to stay here is a much better option. The sooner we can draw this saga to an end the better.
Am I the only one that thinks he wants to stay and they the only reason he's doing all this is to improve his new contract?
If he wanted to go he would just hand in an official transfer request, not keep denying that he ever handed one in. If anything I think the club are doing everything they can to get rid without coming out and saying it. Don't get me wrong I'm not his biggest fan, I think his attitude stinks but I'm not as sure he wants to leave as much as the media would suggest.
If he wanted to go he would just hand in an official transfer request, not keep denying that he ever handed one in. If anything I think the club are doing everything they can to get rid without coming out and saying it. Don't get me wrong I'm not his biggest fan, I think his attitude stinks but I'm not as sure he wants to leave as much as the media would suggest.
What has he done over the past year to suggest that he deserves a new contract, let alone seeking for one? He must be ultra thick if he thinks the club is going to give him an improved one
I agree, but still thinks he'll want one and at least wont accept a pay cut.
I think the club would be in a much better position to calculate that in any case.
I take your point, but don't you think we'll be going back to the position we were in before RvP, when we were over reliant on Rooney? Sure, Welbeck and Hernandez can do a job, but are they of the calibre to carry us for a 3 month spell if RvP gets injured? If we sell Rooney, I'd only feel confident if we were able to sign a ready made number 9/10 - it's a shame Lewandowski's had his head turned by Bayern as he's perfect and I'm sure we'd happily be shot of Rooney if we could get him.
When the original rumour came out that Chelsea had offered a swap deal, my initial reaction was to bite their hand off. Don't think Chelsea will let him go though. Also, and perhaps it's a bit idealistic, but someone like Mata would reduce Januzaj's minutes considerably.
I get what you are saying, but you have to wonder whether we can fit another world class CF into our line-up? I for one am starting to get the feeling that signings were made (RvP and Kagawa) to prepare for life after Rooney? This season I really would love to see Kagawa played in that number 10 role to see if he can recapture the form his shown at Dortmund and would hate it if he is pushed out wide to accommodate another striker. This is just my opinion of course, but I honestly feel that Fergie had Rooney's cards marked after his last stunt! At the time Fergie wasn't able to take a stand against Rooney's little tantrum and had to bow down! However, subsequent signings have certainly made us stronger and are now able to take a stand against Rooney's outbursts.
So with that in mind I believe a top class winger would be enough if Rooney went. Dare I say Ronaldo?
I get what you are saying, but you have to wonder whether we can fit another world class CF into our line-up? I for one am starting to get the feeling that signings were made (RvP and Kagawa) to prepare for life after Rooney? This season I really would love to see Kagawa played in that number 10 role to see if he can recapture the form his shown at Dortmund and would hate it if he is pushed out wide to accommodate another striker. This is just my opinion of course, but I honestly feel that Fergie had Rooney's cards marked after his last stunt! At the time Fergie wasn't able to take a stand against Rooney's little tantrum and had to bow down! However, subsequent signings have certainly made us stronger and are now able to take a stand against Rooney's outbursts.
So with that in mind I believe a top class winger would be enough if Rooney went. Dare I say Ronaldo?
I certainly think Fergie was planning for less dependance on Rooney with the RvP and Kagawa purchases. The most pitiful part of the Rooney saga is how quickly he has seemingly given up following the introduction of competition for his spot - the sense of entitlement is staggering.
I suppose you're right in that we wouldn't necessarily need to replace Rooney like-for-like, but we would still need to replace the body, if you will. We'd feel the loss of Rooney far less if we got an adaptable forward and a proper CM. Instead of doing a double raid at Everton for Fellaini and Baines, I'd be dropping interest in Baines and enquiring about Mirallas - he's got a lot of class.
Certain sections of the media already have Rooney at Chelsea.
Ain't going to happen.
Ain't going to happen.
I still am not seeing genuine hard rock cafe evidence that he's all that upset. Plus this negotiations etc etc and correspondance with the club just doesn't paint that picture at all.
The biggest draw card that he currently holds is that he can play anywhere across the front 4 and even deeper. RVP personally I don't really see as the general player that is versatile. Kagawa can be but from a deeper area. It's still totally gold to have an 'ethos' player with 10 years of experience who can play all across the front 4. An injury crisis has happened to us before in defence and it may even happen further forward.
I agree with all that, which is why I think we should look to mend the broken bridges.
Will the press have the bottle to ask him outright about this whilst he's with the England side? I bet they don't.
If the bridges have been burned and there is genuine cause to call Rooney a complete cnut then I don't really see the need for the club to try and bend over backwards for him. Probably better to cut it off and cut him loose.
For all the reports coming from everywhere it is absolutely all over the place at the moment. The media is falling over themselves to try and get it right and some parts even just throwing shit on the windshield in the hope that it will stick.
The club and Rooney himself know the situation which I think is just bizarre if he stays and the fans don't really get behind him. It will be a bit disappointing to me. I'm not clawing at his zipper to suck him off or anything but the fans always say 'the club is bigger than the player' and it to me works in the opposite favour as well. If he knuckles down and performs and then signs a new deal it will be a very interesting time for the supporters. It has created some genuine division on a non-footballing level among the supporters. Justified? Yeah probably. Toxic for the future? I think so.
If he wants to stay then why doesn't he go on twitter like last year and tell us that. Instead he writes how he is looking forward to playing for England on his facebook.
He wants to leave. He wants to join his best friend Cole at the Bridge. His agent is feeding all these stories for his journalists friends to write.
He wants to leave. He wants to join his best friend Cole at the Bridge. His agent is feeding all these stories for his journalists friends to write.
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