In the league only. 94 in 141 overall.
Either way, it's not fecking 56 in 93!
Which has me irritated, because I immediately posted that stat on another website I post on where Aguero was being discussed. Feck it anyway.
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In the league only. 94 in 141 overall.
Either way, it's not fecking 56 in 93!
Which has me irritated, because I immediately posted that stat on another website I post on where Aguero was being discussed. Feck it anyway.
It's an old stats, someone posted it this summer.
Yeah being discussed in another thread.
It looks as though Rooney still does pretty well with the latest update, mind you.
Ok, league stats only.
Rooney has 61 goals and 26 assists in 91 appearances (8226 minutes)
Aguero has 66 goals and 19 assists in 85 appearances (7179 minutes)
Now, which player has been playing for a team that is more likely to create chances in any given game over that period of time? (I think we all know it ain't Wayne Rooney!)
@Treble, still think Rooney peaked two years before any of these stats were collected?
Rooney has 61 goals and 26 assists in 91 appearances (8226 minutes)
Aguero has 66 goals and 19 assists in 85 appearances (7179 minutes)
Now, which player has been playing for a team that is more likely to create chances in any given game over that period of time? (I think we all know it ain't Wayne Rooney!)
@Treble, still think Rooney peaked two years before any of these stats were collected?
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Two of the best forwards in the world have similar stats.
Well, I, for one, am shocked.
Well, I, for one, am shocked.
For both it's amazing, but Aguero is a beast, he just delivers.
Rooney is supposed to be a great #10 and an average striker. And not world class.
Says who, exactly?
The bloke I @'d in my edit. He wanted me to name any recent season where Rooney could be considered world class. The implication being that he's nothing of the sort. Turns out that he's been more or less keeping pace with a striker currently being talked up as the very best striker on the planet, while playing for a team that created considerably fewer goals overall than the team Aguero was playing for.
Yet, its apparently outrageous to suggest that I prefer Rooney to Henry in a prem all time XI.
I wouldn't mind him, he's notoriously negative.
Not sure about 'world-class', it's not a term I particularly like as it can have so many different meanings from person to person, but I still think Rooney's one of the best forwards in the game, yes. Obviously if you discount the big two, he's maybe a level below Aguero, Ibra, and Suarez right now and of a similar standard to Lewandowski and Costa.
There was a poll and a discussion about this, if i'm not mistaken.
Yeah, it's a meaningless phrase. Just boils my piss that so many United fans try so hard to downplay Rooney's quality, while talking up Manchester City's main man (go figure).
The only way you can cut through those agendas is with the sort of stats I've just posted. Which are fairly fecking conclusive.
EDIT: Just so we're clear, I think Aguero is probably the better striker right now, assuming he can buck the trend of previous seasons and avoid recurrent injuries for the rest of this season.
Astounds me how good Rooney's stats are. Particularly when you consider how deep he has been deployed at times. A very underrated finisher.
Why are people comparing Rooney and Aguero? Its quite clear whose the better player at this present time.
Thanks for the piercing insight.
They're being compared over their careers to date.
I'd imagine many of those games for Aguero he played far less minutes than Rooney. Aguero being the all time minutes per goal leader.
EDIT: Doesn't take anything away from Rooney though top class player of course and seems back to his best these days
Pretty amazing tbh, especially given that a third of those appearances came in last year's car crash of a season.
Yup. Not to mention that Aguero was playing for a team that scored 100+ goals at the same time.
In that 100+ goal season Augero was mainly injured (he played 23 league games many as sub) and in the previous 2 seasons before that I think we outscored city.
Actually they outscored us 11/12 by 4 goals and we outscored them the following season by 20 goals.
They've scored 30 league goals more than us, overall, since Aguero signed for them.
Yes mainly due to last season (we being SHITE) where I'm pointing out that Augero has many injuries. He was outscoring Rooney minutes per goal comfortably before last season.
He's outscoring him minutes per goal overall.
Doesn't make my point any less valid that he has - generally - been playing for a team that was better at creating goals. 27 (Rooney) to 20 (Aguero) appearances last season, for the record.
On the minutes per goal, thing, it's all well and good but I still think a player's ability to play as many games as possible should be taken into account when deciding who's the more useful to his team (i.e. better). One of the things we'll miss most about Evra (and still most about Ronaldo) is the ability to consistently play 30+ league games/season. That's a fantastic quality in any player IMO.
The point I am making it that City outscored us last season by 40 goals because we were dog shite.
Overall they havent been better at creating chances than us if you take our freak season last year out of the picture.
I've already said about appearances last season 20 yes many of which he didn't make 90 mins.
Anyway its a moot point, Rooney is a top class striker, I actually think its his best position not this no10 nonsense.
Why take it out of the picture? We're only comparing three and a half seasons in total. You can't just ignore one because it was a freak. Aguero might have been injured a lot in that season but he still managed to equal Rooney's goal tally, which he wouldn't have done if City weren't scoring for fun (plus Rooney's overall tally would be improved if we weren't so shite)
On a side note, looking back through league tables where we finished on top, comfortably out-scoring City, has made me slightly depressed
And if he was upfront all the time.
I don't think you can say that for a fact is my point. He is a brilliant finisher and scored goals even when City were not scoring for fun
EDIT: For instance he scored 6 in 6 in the UCL last season City were not scoring for fun, infact we outscored them in the UCL and Rooney got 2 in 9?
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Those stats about Aguero & Rooney are interesting. For a team player who is regularly being moved around position wise, Rooney has a great record. Always boggles my mind how quick fans on here are to turn on him when he has a bad performance, and the oft repeated "boots to Valencia on right wing" thing happens. A lot of those people will only truly miss him when he's gone, and realise what we have in him. A fantastic player. Should always be on our team sheet when fit (bar League Cup games). People who were happy he was banned are nuts.
In the same time, Aguero has another 26 goals in other comps, and Rooney has 13.
Hope he doesn't show any rust on Monday. With Fellaini seemingly out, we need Wayne at his best. If he plays well, we'll win.
For me, the point isn't the direct comparison. The point is that people on here speak about Rooney as if he's terrible. They want him dropped, they want him benched, they want him sold in some cases. People blame him for average players like Welbeck & Kagawa not progressing, and being marginalised. When those stats show he is not far off Aguero, who is being discussed as the greatest striker in the world at the moment. Yeah, he's not quite as good as Aguero. But he's a fantastic player, and on his way to being a legend of the club.
He's been out, he'll be rusty. Nothing we can do or say to change that, he always is. Never known anyone to be that bad when it comes to missing games.
We'll need him for the games after it so as long as his injury has healed it won't truly matter.
There'll have been a 9 day gap between Monday and his last game. And I bet he's missed a couple of days training at the most. Rustiness shouldn't be an issue.
The way some of you are talking, you'd think Rooney has been out for a month or two. He's missed one game, which fell in the same week Rooney played against Hull. Had we not had two games in four days, we would have played one game this week, which is what we've been doing since the start of the season.
Rooney will be fine. It's some of the other forwards you need to be fretting about...
We say this every time and yet no matter how small an amount of time he misses, he's always, without fail, dogshit against his next opponent.
Don't get me wrong, we've got so many games coming up that he'll be vital but in this first one, he's gonna be a liability.
Missed three games through suspension not long ago - and was then our second best player in his comeback match against City according to WhoScored's rating system, which is based on measurable contributions.
Seriously, he's had a two day lay-off at most. If he's shit, it likely won't be because of any injury.
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I did fear that after the suspension he might come back needing time but, he's played at a very high level and don't doubt he'll be itching to do so on Monday. Hope he is the difference in getting us to play with a little more aggression / pace.
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