If only we could ask Roy Keane.
Wayne Rooney withdraws from England squad, minor knee injury
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If only we could ask Roy Keane.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...d-the-same-on-three-lions-duty-last-november/
Wayne Rooney: Apology was the least the England skipper could do… he did the same on Three Lions duty last November
Wayne Rooney: Apology was the least the England skipper could do… he did the same on Three Lions duty last November
Well so far the inevitable excuses have included: SJWs, the moral police, public scrutiny, the F.A., England, the 'role model' concept, The Sun, social media etc etc; ironic, considering that some claim Rooney is blamed for everything.
He's always got away with things; he knows he'll get away with things, and acts accordingly. Even Moyes, when Everton boss, admitted that he couldn't truly discipline Rooney for countless transgressions because Wayne was too important to his club. Rooney is taking the p*ss out of his employers again but, these days, he gets away with things for reasons other than his talent - that, perhaps more than photos of him genuinely looking like he's been beaten up, should concern us.
He's always got away with things; he knows he'll get away with things, and acts accordingly. Even Moyes, when Everton boss, admitted that he couldn't truly discipline Rooney for countless transgressions because Wayne was too important to his club. Rooney is taking the p*ss out of his employers again but, these days, he gets away with things for reasons other than his talent - that, perhaps more than photos of him genuinely looking like he's been beaten up, should concern us.
Footballers were distant MANY years ago. You honestly think what he did was not unprofessional? you realise he had more than just 1/2 beers on a quiet night don't you
Let's say he had 8 pints. Let's say it was unprofessional.
Does that mean it needs the reaction we've seen? Should he have to publicly apologise, apologise to children?
I'm starting to wonder if the FA are encouraging these stories in the background. Southgate is in a similar position to Mourinho, I'm certain they're both looking for ways to get rid of him while avoiding the shit storm he will create if it could be perceived as hard done by.
Yes, because it clearly indicates he isnt serious about extending his time at the top of the game.
He's already ,at best, an average PL player, with ale and father time what will he be like in 12 months?
Just can't fathom how people can justify any footballer looking absolutely shit faced in the middle of the season in between matches v Spain and Arsenal.. absolutely mind-boggling.
Even having a few drinks is unacceptable, but if it was a one off .. okay fine but getting absolutely shit faced, just look at the state of him, I don't know anyone who could even contrive to get themselves into that state if they tried their hardest.
Even having a few drinks is unacceptable, but if it was a one off .. okay fine but getting absolutely shit faced, just look at the state of him, I don't know anyone who could even contrive to get themselves into that state if they tried their hardest.
While representing the nation, in company attire, he got absolutely smashed and made a fool of himself.
He's paid lucrative amounts by both his club and country to be an ambassador and role model yet he's not mature enough to keep the fun in moderation and set an example.
"It was his day off".
Well, no it wasn't actually. He doesn't get paid by the hour, he's on a salary and he is effectively on a work trip. He might not be expected to train or have any formal duties but that doesn't mean he's not representing the national team.
I don't believe that you can't see this, you're just backing up your idol.
Yes? He is struggling as it is, and he's just putting his body under even more strain. I don't care about apologising to kids, I care about him staying in peak shape and wanting to get back to his best.
He clearly doesn't care about that anymore, he just wants to have a fun time. While I don't begrudge him that, he respectfully heeds to resign as captain and retire. You can't go on a binges like that and expect to be fine.
If he's doing that infront of all the England staff and players, what sort of example does that set? No wonder all the guys like him, I bet he bought them all the first round too
Yes? He is struggling as it is, and he's just putting his body under even more strain. I don't care about apologising to kids, I care about him staying in peak shape and wanting to get back to his best.
He clearly doesn't care about that anymore, he just wants to have a fun time. While I don't begrudge him that, he respectfully heeds to resign as captain and retire. You can't go on a binges like that and expect to be fine.
If he's doing that infront of all the England staff and players, what sort of example does that set? No wonder all the guys like him, I bet he bought them all the first round too
People work better wen they're happy. Regimenting people and stopping them cutting loose when their is frankly no reason to isn't going to help him improve.
I swear some people won't be happy until athletes are all boring robots.
Can't you see the difference? If they want to have some fun and a FEW drinks then fine! He's pretty much paralytic! people say he could hardly stand and was wobbling all over the place. If morale is that badly effected because the lads can't get blinding drunk while they've got training the next day, you need to rethink your morals
You don't think the organisations that hand over millions to these players have a right to insist they look after their bodies?
Yes? He is struggling as it is, and he's just putting his body under even more strain. I don't care about apologising to kids, I care about him staying in peak shape and wanting to get back to his best.
He clearly doesn't care about that anymore, he just wants to have a fun time. While I don't begrudge him that, he respectfully heeds to resign as captain and retire. You can't go on a binges like that and expect to be fine.
If he's doing that infront of all the England staff and players, what sort of example does that set? No wonder all the guys like him, I bet he bought them all the first round too
I couldn't give two shits about any damage he's done to the image of the England team and anyone who lets their kids have professional footballers as role models is an idiot. My only beef is as a United fan and that's a pretty big one. Getting fecking steaming the week before a make or break game for our new manager is fecking maddening. Elite athletes are constantly taught the value of rest and recovery. Alcohol messes with your sleep and impairs recovery. Even if he'd stayed up all night without touching a drop it would have been less than ideal preparation. He went on this bender immediately after playing a competitive match ffs. Any footballer would be well advised to get a good night's kip, never mind a 30 year old who seems to be in sharp physical decline and has a massive point to prove for club and country. He's such an idiot. What was he thinking?
The only thing I agree with in all of that is that 'times have changed'. Journalists of all people should understand this clearly.
Yup, agree with basically everything you said. He's always been blatant with his bullshit, now that Fergie's gone his cheekiness is just more visible, add his inevitable regress et voila. Things can't be right at our club if its captain is acting like that, we're like an ill organism and Rooney is the illest, beating heart of that organism. Since Ducker and iirc Taylor were both already throwing their excuses for Rooney, expect some leak to the press soon talking about how Mourinho is shit.
He either doesn't care anymore, or his ego is so big he thinks he can do it and get away with it. Rooney needs to have an absolute blinder against Arsenal this weekend, my patience is really running thin with him.
This is something I can't understand people not grasping. You've got Lewandowski on one hand who's already in top form, scoring important goals for Bayern and lately for our NT, guy's pushing himself with some new diets that exclude lactose and gluten because his wife is a nutritionist. Polar opposite is wobbling, mumbling captain of England and Manchester United Wayne Rooney, a player who's in his decline, who thinks he can adapt his game to play in midfield. There's like 3 years difference between them.
Now imagine how you'd feel as a player in the same club or national team. Pushing yourself to the limits while your captain is getting shitfaced and will still get a starting spot in the team irrespective of that very fact. We've had this scandal in Poland lately too, some of our players apparently got drunk as feck between/before games, I remember how pissed off Lewy was on the pitch, nobody knew why really until it all dropped.
Personally, I have no issue with him drinking a week before a match. The stick he's getting is a bit much. I'm not a fan of him as a player, but it surely doesn't have to end his way.
Absolutely correct. I'm astounded at the amount of United fans blaming everyone but Rooney for this. Why does this guy have so much hold over fans of this club? He's been shite for years.
He doesn't even need to look that far afield to see what he needs to be doing. When Giggs was 30 he not only gave up booze he gave up bread and butter.
That's not my impression. I'd say 19 out of 20 posts in here are having a go at Rooney. Most of the apologism I've read seems to be coming from journalists, non-united fans and ex-pros.
I was taking a dig at our manager's inner imperatives to throw random players under the buses whenever something bugs him.
It is an incident if the whole spot light is on that one person. And that person happens to be a (top class) athlete, who is on the highest wage.
If a "nobody" got drunk it would be a non-story.
True.
But at that time Keane was performing like the best midfielder in the World.
Rooney is no where good enough to be playing in our team and some may argue he is no longer EPL quality. So, people are going to be a bit harsh on him (not for drinking, but for playing badly).
1/20 is still a huge proportion. It's far worse than that on Twitter too.
Same here.
The pictures of him being drunk are a nuisance.
But the fact that he has been in bad form for about 2 years, makes this into a major news story.
It's also another insight into his self control and respect for his body and an explanation as to why he's been unfit and out of shape at times during his career.
Exactly. For 2 years we've wondered why his body has regressed so much, well he's probably been getting hammered on a Saturday night for the past 2 years. Wonder how many times he's taken to the pitch half drunk.
Would explain his seriously slow reactions and dodgy balance.
Yes this is exactly right; if he was fit and playing well, it would be a non-issue. It's the general attitude on display that has people so riled up. Rooney's behaviour leads one to the inescapable conclusion that he simply doesn't care that his form has been utter shite for absolutely ages, or that physically he looks finished at 31.
Never seen a united rulebook but apparently at Chelsea Mou had the following
* Players must know they are role models, for children and adults, and they must always have an ethical and correct social behaviour. Players have an absolute duty to maintain a lifestyle that protects their capacity to play to the best of their ability.
* Players should follow a healthy diet, drink alcohol in moderation, avoid drugs and ensure they have enough sleep
Only found a snippet from Beckham on their attitude to alcohol and the manager but i think it shows the difference in mentality
* Players must know they are role models, for children and adults, and they must always have an ethical and correct social behaviour. Players have an absolute duty to maintain a lifestyle that protects their capacity to play to the best of their ability.
* Players should follow a healthy diet, drink alcohol in moderation, avoid drugs and ensure they have enough sleep
Only found a snippet from Beckham on their attitude to alcohol and the manager but i think it shows the difference in mentality
We are having a serious discussion about Rooney messing up on the pitch (he's messed up on it, enough).
Then this....
Then this....
I really don`t care if Rooney drinks 10 pints every night . The only 2 people that can do anything about it are his managers at club and country level . Pep has shown at City that it`s his way or out , hopefully Jose will do the same if he is not happy with any players attitude and commitment . Sadly the days when football clubs with characters like Best , Robson , Worthington , Gazza are over and the game is now about total professionalism , clean living and dedication to the cause where players are expected to be squeaky clean because of the high wages they earn . I love the old mavericks of yesteryear and even though we won feck all in the 70`s and 80`s I still loved United . Fergie changed the culture , along with the foreign players attitudes and we enjoyed massive success .
Anyway I don`t feel the need to bash one of our legends for drinking too much as the only man that can sort it is the manager and the next few weeks and months will show us if Jose is the man to do it .
Anyway I don`t feel the need to bash one of our legends for drinking too much as the only man that can sort it is the manager and the next few weeks and months will show us if Jose is the man to do it .
You as a grown man need an apology from him? For having an unspecified amount of alcohol? You also want him to apologise to children in case his drinking on Saturday sparks them into a downward spiral of abuse?
Ah right because I can't just have a different opinion. It can only be favouritism or an agenda.
Check my posts in the Rooney thread, you'll struggle to find a positive one. You'll see then that calling him my idol is way wide of the mark.
That's what I think, too.
It'll be interesting if he plays on Saturday and if that knee injury will magically disappear within a few days.
Pretty much this.
Nailed it.
Agreed, 100%.
Stan Collymore, who was also a pro footballer (who may have played for England), gave an interview and stated that Rooney may have a drinking problem due to being dropped from England and MUFC. Collymore also suffered from drinking problems and depression and he said that when he saw the pictures, it sent alarm bells ringing that this incident was not about a one-off drink, but perhaps a deeper problem. Perhaps Rooney knows he is finished and is turning to alcohol. Boozing to that extent may be a result of him thinking, "I'm finished, so who cares..."
No, No, No and No
On absolutely no level can what you have written for an 'elite' athlete be accepted as an apology.
He deserves everything thats coming to him.
I cannot even begin to fathom how you could have written what you wrote and am flabbergasted.
His actions and his agents have shown a complete lack of respect to himself, his family, his team mates, his manager, the fans and our club.
Just wish upper management would have the cahoones to shift this guy out of the club and make an example of him.
How on earth is our new manager meant to install belief and discipline into our squad when you have the England and Manchester United captain acting in such an irreponsible manner.
Just as others have said, his only worry was that he got caught, thats it.
Never been one to jump on the bandwagon, but enough is enough.
And those of you defending him, please, come on, what gives, is it so much to ask that for someone being paid millions to at least be professional ?
8 pints? I'm pretty sure he has 16 in him.
Edit: if that's Wayne Rooney looking like a pisscan after 8 pints then he's a massive lightweight.
Ps - Actually, it doesn't even matter whether you had one drink or ten. You're a professional athlete, you should not drink. Period.
It is extremely unprofessional, for a number of reasons, not least wearing the uniform of your bloody country, never mind your employer. So of course he should be made to apologise. He completely brought the role of captaincy, a role of a leader into disrepute.
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